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He was the GM of the first WW game played on this board.
And he was a special GM ...
But I guess you don't like history too much ?
Oh look, I point the finger at drxav (and AOK, I admit) and I get hunted.
Exactly the same thing I do.
And I get called a werepussy...
Exactly the same thing I do.
And I get called a werepussy...
You only got hunted because AOK was in that list. If you were completely correct, like snoopdogg was a day or two ago, it would be too risky to hunt you as people might have noticed.
That was well done. Doing those hunts yourself, and then saying you found that to be at least somewhat telling of my innocence was well done indeed. That was one of the things that had me thinking you a villager. Those hunts would seem to want to frame me, but your playing off that was very convincing.
I even openly said that it may have been someone not on at deadline and that yes, it implicated me
I think all the hunts were sent hours before deadline, so it was a bit of a fluke hitting all the people you said were guilty at deadline.
I even openly said that it may have been someone not on at deadline and that yes, it implicated me
I think all the hunts were sent hours before deadline, so it was a bit of a fluke hitting all the people you said were guilty at deadline.
Point taken. Kiwi is a most excellent actor, very capable at encouraging the types of conclusions he wants. That mistake will not happen again.
And I am genuinely surprised that those hunts were not a purposeful attempt by EURO to torture me. I was certain that was on purpose. Even the last one was on the person I wanted dead.
A problem of this system is that it encourages zombieism more than both for villagers and wolves. Any suggestions to counter this, besides CAWZ?
Oh ese, your first Lite GM, Wimbledon, was fun.
You sent the villager PMs to randy BCCed to everyone else, and I had to point this out to you eventually.
And I'm sorry, everyone, that I couldn't be around at deadline. Though even if I had we'd have lost.
You sent the villager PMs to randy BCCed to everyone else, and I had to point this out to you eventually.
And I'm sorry, everyone, that I couldn't be around at deadline. Though even if I had we'd have lost.
I thought the whole point was that a Seer is such a comparatively big deal compared to a villager that it was the old setup that encouraged villager zombieism. The point of dropping the Seer was to force more activity onto the village lest they just lose every game.
The villagers won the last one, and lost this one. There's no need for a seer. Everything was there, in front of your eyes. I love that setup, the villagers need nothing more. It's true it takes the propaganda PM game away, but heck there's Big for that. Lite would be like playing chess while Big would be poker. I just love it.
The problem is that, on the wolf side, you're harder to pick up and get analyzed, especially if there are better suspects (tm), on the villager side, you won't want to be a suspect nor to attract wolf hunts.
I'm making the big assumption that people play to win, here, which not everyone does.
My only issue with the no seer setup is finding that first wolf you really don't have much to work on. If euro didn't encourage the giant switch from kiwi/enk to reis, I don't know if he would've gotten lynched.
Both last game and this game it seemed like a total fluke got the first wolf, then from there things were more organized.
Of course, AOK did a pretty good job of shooting himself in the foot this game, but people should be smarter than to accuse him of so openly working with a packmate.
Both last game and this game it seemed like a total fluke got the first wolf, then from there things were more organized.
Of course, AOK did a pretty good job of shooting himself in the foot this game, but people should be smarter than to accuse him of so openly working with a packmate.
Nope. With solid wolfplay (For example Kiwi or EURO, not you) this setup is unbalanced. The evidence was contradictory for everyone. If you want to argue that, I will. EURO and Kiwi made sure of that. Good wolves turn Seerless games into chaotic and confusing crapshoots. The village needs either a witness, a few villagers with one time Seer scans, or a GA. A GA would be especially interesting.
But no, this is not balanced. Well played wolves will take this setup, even without an AOK killing spree to set the table for them. The reason I supported this setup was to force villagers to do something. It should not be permanent. An occasional one is fine, but permanently removing goodie powers from Lite is not the correct course of action.
Quoted for truth. I will occasionally blow up a village when I play the odds and come up short or get fooled by a formidable opponent. But I have never put forward such a laughably bad wolf performance.
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Even the wolves were supporting you on that, and I was doing so in public
My biggest hope when I proposed replacing the seer with a GA was that it would get more villagers to think and take part. It's in the village's interest to be active (in a positive way, not just spam), because if they all are then they're not going to get hunted for it, and it forces the wolves to do likewise. A GA would help encourage players even more.
I wasn't lying when I said that forcing the wolves to get involved was the best way; I think there are only a few players here who could pull off a flawless game and even then only some of the time. And those players would still have to rely on their packmates not to blow it for them. I didn't play flawlessly here, there were threads that could have been pulled - I just did enough to keep you all looking at one hand while the other was reaching for a knife. If a few more players had really tried in the way AOK did, you might have picked it up - in fact right down to the deadline drxav and I were PMing, scared that AOK had figured it out and the reason he wasn't shifting and tamius had disappeared was they were ready for a switch snipe. Without Syber_sid our only option was to hope one of enkhuush or tamius didn't return.
My biggest hope when I proposed replacing the seer with a GA was that it would get more villagers to think and take part. It's in the village's interest to be active (in a positive way, not just spam), because if they all are then they're not going to get hunted for it, and it forces the wolves to do likewise. A GA would help encourage players even more.
I wasn't lying when I said that forcing the wolves to get involved was the best way; I think there are only a few players here who could pull off a flawless game and even then only some of the time. And those players would still have to rely on their packmates not to blow it for them. I didn't play flawlessly here, there were threads that could have been pulled - I just did enough to keep you all looking at one hand while the other was reaching for a knife. If a few more players had really tried in the way AOK did, you might have picked it up - in fact right down to the deadline drxav and I were PMing, scared that AOK had figured it out and the reason he wasn't shifting and tamius had disappeared was they were ready for a switch snipe. Without Syber_sid our only option was to hope one of enkhuush or tamius didn't return.
Well played, Capt. Kiwi and drxav!
I have to say you 2 are the most likely wolf for me. But with villagers like AOK and snoop I don't really have choice. Even they are villagers they are more harmful to village than wolves. Also I was kinda busy yesterday make analysis and convince village to vote swing to Kiwi or drxav.
Drxav and kiwi both tried to clear their names and ruled out any pack possibility with them. And also finger pointed to others. As drxav, he/she tried to make groundless accusations against me and Xeno. As kiwi I thought is this really Kiwi analyst that is applauded? His analysis was poorer than standard. So either he is wolf or he didn't have time. But he was posting frequently so former was likely.
Edited: Also I was always thought lynching kiwi but couldn't because he was saying that he always lynched and hunted first day as defense. If we didn't mind his words, then it would have been different game.
I have to say you 2 are the most likely wolf for me. But with villagers like AOK and snoop I don't really have choice. Even they are villagers they are more harmful to village than wolves. Also I was kinda busy yesterday make analysis and convince village to vote swing to Kiwi or drxav.
Drxav and kiwi both tried to clear their names and ruled out any pack possibility with them. And also finger pointed to others. As drxav, he/she tried to make groundless accusations against me and Xeno. As kiwi I thought is this really Kiwi analyst that is applauded? His analysis was poorer than standard. So either he is wolf or he didn't have time. But he was posting frequently so former was likely.
Edited: Also I was always thought lynching kiwi but couldn't because he was saying that he always lynched and hunted first day as defense. If we didn't mind his words, then it would have been different game.
Except that successful analysis in this setup makes you a big magnet for hunts...
Have you ever known me to shy away from getting hunted? I even outed myself as a priest's apprentice once for the good of the village
Here though I genuinely wanted a chance to play. Even as a villager I would have at least wanted the chance to make it far enough into the game that I could defend myself. And I only used the poor-me defence on day one, as a result of that. I was run up again without using it, to be saved by AOK I believe.As for whether my analysis was any worse than usual, that's hard to say given I haven't had many chances recently to try. I'm not sure when I last caught a wolf, other than EURO here
My reputation was largely built by those wanting me to be hunted instead of them, and it's worked. That said, I honestly think the case for a EURO-Xeno-enkhuush-? pack was better than any other case. It was a bit surprising that it didn't die with Xeno, though.