Werewolf LXXXI: Doom of the WereYak, Part III: Younghusband, 1904

[Slinky]

I did not reveal to anyone who wouldn't be villagemates what was in my role PM.

Don't you think that that's precisely the problem. I don't play this game for an instant win. I play it because I like the intrige and uncertainty. You took all that away with your post, defeating the purpose of the game. It's precisely what's in the rule I quoted.

 

[EUROO7]

AFAIK *wink*, I'm a ordinary villager.

This "*wink*" was given to all villagers. Other people with different roles would have no idea what it meant, but villagers would know that you are obviously a villager, or else, why would you have some information that they received from the GM?

That means you were clearly a goodie to all the villagers, and they would begin to form a JL around you before the game even started.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, that's breaking the rules and gives the goodies an unfair advantage over the baddies.

So shut up and read the rules.

 

[jonti-h]

EURO and Slinky are correct.

Posting things like that should be explicitly banned, and is in most games.

I hope the wolves hunt OrangeYoshi tonight, or we lynch him tomorrow.

 

[OrangeYoshi]

Don't you think that that's precisely the problem. I don't play this game for an instant win. I play it because I like the intrige and uncertainty. You took all that away with your post, defeating the purpose of the game. It's precisely what's in the rule I quoted.

So what, when a hunter hunts someone and is instantly a known goodie you won't contact him to set up a JL? This is basically the equivalent of that, just in a different manner. Sure, the intrigue and uncertainty is nice, but when you see a chance to come out on top of something, you jump at it.

So shut up and read the rules.

I did read the rules, and it is not banned.

Posting things like that should be explicitly banned, and is in most games.

Where has it ever been banned that you can not talk about something the GM has told you? No, you can not quote him, but that is not what I did. I simply talked about something he told me. We have always been able to do that.

 

[EUROO7]

GM, I'm out if oy's in.

 

[jonti-h]

Where has it ever been banned that you can not talk about something the GM has told you? No, you can not quote him, but that is not what I did. I simply talked about something he told me. We have always been able to do that.

In several games, including ones I GMed, it has been banned.

 

[Cymsdale]

I'm not defending what OY did, although I think this was more of a case of him acting without thinking instead of actual malice.

However, I think it would be helpful if role PMs did not contain any kind of 'identifiable' text within them and just said "villager".

I would hate to think if I said something a lot subtler like:
"I am a villager. "
that I would be forum-lynched for such egregious breaking of the rules even though it would be very questionable if the reference to the wink in the PM was intentional, accidental or subconsciously malicious.

 

[OrangeYoshi]

In several games, including ones I GMed, it has been banned.

That is impossible, otherwise a wolf pack could not talk to each other about being wolves or what their traits are, or a cultist couldn't contact a master and say "I'm a cultist". You can simply not ban talking about something the GM told you and keep the game running.

However, I think it would be helpful if role PMs did not contain any kind of 'identifiable' text within them and just said "villager".

Even then if someone is up for lynch they might say, "Hey guys, you are lynching a villager". EURO, Slinky, jonti: Would that also be banned under your ideas? If so, then we have all broken that rule and it is never, ever enforced.

 

[EUROO7]

That is impossible, otherwise a wolf pack could not talk to each other about being wolves or what their traits are, or a cultist couldn't contact a master and say "I'm a cultist". You can simply not ban talking about something the GM told you and keep the game running.



Even then if someone is up for lynch they might say, "Hey guys, you are lynching a villager". EURO, Slinky, jonti: Would that also be banned under your ideas? If so, then we have all broken that rule and it is never, ever enforced.

Saying "Hey guys, you are lynching a villager" does not clear you.


Posting a detail the GM sent to you in a role PM does.

 

[OrangeYoshi]

Saying "Hey guys, you are lynching a villager" does not clear you.


Posting a detail the GM sent to you in a role PM does.

But if the PM the GM sent you says "villager", then you are posting a detail of the PM that the GM send you in public.

 

[EUROO7]

But if the PM the GM sent you says "villager", then you are posting a detail of the PM that the GM send you in public.

No you are not.

Get it in your little head that you're not always right.

 

[Cymsdale]

That is impossible, otherwise a wolf pack could not talk to each other about being wolves or what their traits are, or a cultist couldn't contact a master and say "I'm a cultist". You can simply not ban talking about something the GM told you and keep the game running.



Even then if someone is up for lynch they might say, "Hey guys, you are lynching a villager". EURO, Slinky, jonti: Would that also be banned under your ideas? If so, then we have all broken that rule and it is never, ever enforced.

You are being a rules-lawyer. That is obviously not what the rule is trying to prevent.

 

[OrangeYoshi]

You are being a rules-lawyer. That is obviously not what the rule is trying to prevent.

Yes I am. It's called a loophole. Finding loopholes to benefit yourself is also part of the game. Like a lover sleeping with a person who is under the docs care.

@ EURO: I could say the same thing about you.

 

[Cymsdale]

But if the PM the GM sent you says "villager", then you are posting a detail of the PM that the GM send you in public.

It doesn't take a genius to assume (correctly) that the players who were assigned the role of villagers had the word 'villager' somewhere in the post sent to them, so you are not revealing any information by using that word. You revealed information that only other villagers would know was in that post.

As I said, I believe you simply made a stupid mistake and were not intentionally trying to break the rules. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows? I think this situation could be fixed in the future by simpler role PMs.

 

[johho888]

I support OY.

 

[EUROO7]

I support OY.

Why?

He broke the rules intentionally and is stubbornly refusing to accept the fact.

 

[jonti-h]

That is impossible, otherwise a wolf pack could not talk to each other about being wolves or what their traits are, or a cultist couldn't contact a master and say "I'm a cultist". You can simply not ban talking about something the GM told you and keep the game running.

I mock your strawman skillz.

 

[Cymsdale]

Yes I am. It's called a loophole. Finding loopholes to benefit yourself is also part of the game. Like a lover sleeping with a person who is under the docs care.

What loophole? You broke a clearly stated rule. Your only argument is that if the rule is enforced in a draconian style, a villager is never meant to use the word 'villager' - which is absurd.

 

[Yakman]

OY is out. He flagrantly broke the rules.

Johho888 is in.

 

[OrangeYoshi]

As I said, I believe you simply made a stupid mistake and were not intentionally trying to break the rules. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows? I think this situation could be fixed in the future by simpler role PMs.

My point is that I didn't break the rules. Yes, a situation like this could be prevented by simpler role PM's, but that is up to the GM. Other than that, a rule that says "you may not say a single word that the GM has told you in a PM" could be put in place, but that would be even more idiotic as I point out above.

You revealed information that only other villagers would know was in that post.

Here is where you hit the nail on the head. It is not my fault that the GM did special role PM's, and for all I knew, the wolves got "as far as you know *wink* you are a wolf of the XXX pack". I'm sure someone else would have done it if I hadn't done it first. I saw an opportunity, and I jumped at it hoping for the best.