What do you think of the Byzantines getting another province?

[Travis_Bickle]

Actually, it's gonna be a whole lot less galleys now. I guess they saw people were having fun with byzantium and decided to nuke that strategy

At this point I am surprised Byzantium doesn't start at war with the Ottomans, who have full cores on Greece whilst being allied to Ming who have accepted a call to arms meanwhile they have a special event that gives them Tech 32 for the war and demotes Byz to Tech 1 who also receive -1 stab hits for every day that passes in game.

 

[Kurfürstin Adelheid]

demotes Byz to Tech 1 who also receive -1 stab hits for every day that passes in game.

Average Palaiologos competence.

 

[AdjectiveNounNumber]

And replace it with a mission tree that gives Byzantium enough permanent modifiers to make up a full suite of national ideas on top of their national ideas.

You people will complain about anything.

Let's be real. The entire byzantium campaign IS that first war with the ottomans. After you've won that, you have no adversaries and modifiers don't really matter.

 

[MohawkWolfo98]

Average Palaiologos competence.

Michael VIII - Excommunicated by his own patriarch and started neglecting Asia Minor
Andronikos II - Loses Asia Minor which had been part of Rome for 1000 years, disbands his navy which causes the unemployed sailors to go to the Turks, relies completely on Gonese and Venetian’s who charged him a prenium. This guy definitely never read a history book.
Andronikos III - Acutally not a bad emperor. Lost Nicea but won back the Balkans. Lost wars with the Bulgarians but at least attempted to rebuild back his ships. Unfortunately his close friend was:
John VI: worst emperor in the history of Byzantium according to Antony Kaldellis. Enough said. Gave the Turks a foothold in Gallipoli and Europe which made the Byzantine start in 1444 so hard and directly allowed the Ottoman expansion into Europe. Thanks VI.
John V: humiliated by the Ottomans by building up the Golden Horn only to be demolished after threats. Offended the Hungarian King and was so impoverished he was classified as a debtor.

*Huge Breath*

Yeah, the Palailogos were a really really bad dynasty. I haven’t even got to the halfway point yet lmao.

Please bring back the Komnenoi. At least Andronikos I Komnenos had an idea of what justice should be about and his governors were apparently on of the best.

 

[Blindbohemian]

Let's be real. The entire byzantium campaign IS that first war with the ottomans. After you've won that, you have no adversaries and modifiers don't really matter.

But the whole point of Byzantium is that it’s extremely hard. Borderline impossible, if this game is meant to ape history to any meaningful extent. I don’t really understand the complaining about superhard challenges being… super hard.

 

[Kurfürstin Adelheid]

Byzantium in 1444 was on death's door. It is good and accurate that the developers made the start harder so you can't just win by blocking the straits. If all it took to beat the Ottomans was take out a couple of loans, build more galleys and hire some mercenaries, don't you think Constantinos would have done so?

 

[necro84]

Don't forget winning first war vs Ottomans isn't required. I can think about few strategies that may involve losing
1) find allies and attack Ragusa - Ottomans will defend them but Ragusa is war leader and may accept land that beongs to your ally. You will get longer truce with Ottomans without losing anything. You can try doing it with Ottoman ally too (e.g. vs Crimea with Circissia and Theodoro)
2) try escaping attacking minor nations you can reach (Fezzan, Imereti, Circissia) - you may lose your capital but you can expand elsewhere and return later
3) if Ottomans attack someone else first (Albania, Candar etc.) you can make alliance and join defensive war - you aren't cobeligerent so Ottomans can't take all and may take land from war leader first
4) similar situation with Ottomans attacking someone else but you can attack the same nation and with luck make their target your vassal joining defensive war - you have more land to give and you can survive

I don't know if this will work but there are some options to try

 

[Ogele]

At this point I am surprised Byzantium doesn't start at war with the Ottomans, who have full cores on Greece whilst being allied to Ming who have accepted a call to arms meanwhile they have a special event that gives them Tech 32 for the war and demotes Byz to Tech 1 who also receive -1 stab hits for every day that passes in game.

...tempting

 

[Oporto]

...tempting

@Travis_Bickle Bickle Oh no! Look what you've done! You provoked him!

 

[AdjectiveNounNumber]

But the whole point of Byzantium is that it’s extremely hard. Borderline impossible, if this game is meant to ape history to any meaningful extent. I don’t really understand the complaining about superhard challenges being… super hard.

It's fine that it's borderline impossible now. I'm just pointing out that they introduced these debuffs to specifically kneecap the previous strats.