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I wish there was a way for the Komnenoi to be restored without conquering Byzantium as Trebizond.
Its possible early on if you marry them and get a consort and keep removing any heirs. Ive did it a few times solely for flavor.
 
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Its possible early on if you marry them and get a consort and keep removing any heirs. Ive did it a few times solely for flavor.

Sounds amusingly fun. Maybe I’ll do that when starting up a 1.36 BYZ playthrough.
 
Sounds amusingly fun. Maybe I’ll do that when starting up a 1.36 BYZ playthrough.
The easiest way to check is mousing over the empty heir slot and it should say "A noble of the house Komnenos takes the throne" or something to that effect.
 
It doesn't matter what we think of it, it's historically correct.

Every single 1444 map shows the Byzantines owning that province so they should in the game. It's a wonder they weren't given that province from before.
 
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It doesn't matter what we think of it, it's historically correct.

Every single 1444 map shows the Byzantines owning that province so they should in the game. It's a wonder they weren't given that province from before.
Maybe because Bulgarian separatists could spawn and cause quite bit of wreckage for already weak Byz? I am not against adding an extra province for Byz, but I wonder about Bulgarian separatists.
 
Maybe because Bulgarian separatists could spawn and cause quite bit of wreckage for already weak Byz? I am not against adding an extra province for Byz, but I wonder about Bulgarian separatists.
The more lightly outcome is byzantium can now field more galleys to block the bosphoros.
 
Maybe because Bulgarian separatists could spawn and cause quite bit of wreckage for already weak Byz? I am not against adding an extra province for Byz, but I wonder about Bulgarian separatists.
Sorry, I don't understand. The province is orthodox and a core from the start, right? I don't anticipate any problems, at least initially. Religious unity will be high (100%). Plus, BYZ have +3 Tolerance of the true faith at a get-go (unless that's changed).
 
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Sorry, I don't understand. The province is orthodox and a core from the start, right? I don't anticipate any problems, at least initially. Religious unity will be high (100%). Plus, BYZ have +3 Tolerance of the true faith at a get-go (unless that's changed).
You are right, but trouble is: Bulgarian is not an accepted culture in Byz. And you already have problems with raising stability early on, concerning "Byzantine Autocracy" (which should give more debuffs such as increased stability cost, lowered estates loyalty equilibrium and maybe growth of corruption) government reform and events, concerning intrigues in the imperial Court. And if they add a disaster or a chain of events, where Byz starts catholic to represent the Florentine Union, this may make chances for separatists to rise up all the higher.
 
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Well, the devs said that adding a threat of Bulgarian separatists for already fragile Byz is intentional, so I rest my case.
And what stops you to release it as a vassal from day one? I'd actually argue that releasing them from the get go will make your initial situation stronger. Sure, you lose some income (but gain some of it back from the vassal fee), but it nets you around 0,9 extra force limit (you lose 0,45, but gain 1,3 from the vassal), plus the vassal's 3 stack army and extra manpower pool, instead of having to fight rebels down the line.
 
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And what stops you to release it as a vassal from day one? I'd actually argue that releasing them from the get go will make your initial situation stronger. Sure, you lose some income (but gain some of it back from the vassal fee), but it nets you around 0,9 extra force limit (you lose 0,45, but gain 1,3 from the vassal), plus the vassal's 3 stack army and extra manpower pool, instead of having to fight rebels down the line.
How do you think: will this vassal stay loyal to a country, that consists of 4 provinces only (3 of them being far from the capital and having 25% autonomy), has a bad economy, a bad army, and an OPM vassal with a heretic religion? The more vassals you have, the more disloyal they are, especially in the case of Byz (and if you enforce religion on Athens). Plus, a Bulgarian vassal is a burden on your diplomatic relations capacity - at least, initially, whern you are in desperate need of allies. So it seems to me that its better to deal with the rebels - at least, initially, before you start sorting this mess out.
 
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How do you think: will this vassal stay loyal to a country, that consists of 4 provinces only (3 of them being far from the capital and having 25% autonomy), has a bad economy, a bad army, and an OPM vassal with a heretic religion? The more vassals you have, the more disloyal they are, especially in the case of Byz (and if you enforce religion on Athens). Plus, a Bulgarian vassal is a burden on your diplomatic relations capacity - at least, initially, whern you are in desperate need of allies. So it seems to me that its better to deal with the rebels - at least, initially, before you start sorting this mess out.
You forget that by releasing them, you can grant strong duchies, giving a LD reduction to both vassals, and essentially paying for their relation slots. And why would you enforce religion on Athens (except for the age objective in the next age, but you can do that right before you annex them), early game they won't convert the province in the timeframe you annex them. Not to mention that even without strong duchies you can keep two OPMs loyal without any hassle.
 
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The main point in player's perspective will be more galleys early.

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Actually, it's gonna be a whole lot less galleys now. I guess they saw people were having fun with byzantium and decided to nuke that strategy
 
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Actually, it's gonna be a whole lot less galleys now. I guess they saw people were having fun with byzantium and decided to nuke that strategy
And replace it with a mission tree that gives Byzantium enough permanent modifiers to make up a full suite of national ideas on top of their national ideas.

You people will complain about anything.
 
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