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Not that I know of, they had a limited habitat in the first place. The geography simply shifted.
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the commonwealth tried to wipe them all out, that's not 'geography shifted'. it's a major plot point of the whole franchise that humans/archons seek to make all worlds exclusively human. its basically the main plot. Lizardmen didn't die from natural causes or Nimue magic, yeah she drowned the survivors but they were, the survivors who fled to her. She didn't need to be a wizard king for that, if you had all the survivors of a nation come to you, you too could lock them in a room.
Yaka wishes he was able to end a 'race' in a swoop, but we know he couldn't, he had to build up a whole new nation of talking cats to invade their lands and force them out. He probably does think he could though. Yaka probably tells people he did but he didn't. Don't believe Yaka
I hope Nomads get added to AoW4 soon.
Yaka wishes he was able to end a 'race' in a swoop, but we know he couldn't, he had to build up a whole new nation of talking cats to invade their lands and force them out. He probably does think he could though. Yaka probably tells people he did but he didn't. Don't believe Yaka
I hope Nomads get added to AoW4 soon.
Merlin talks about nimue destroying the lizards in a very late sm mission. Oneron 3 i think. I have a screen, i can upload later. Her Bio in sm also talks about her lizards losing to humans and she then rampages among both until she adopts humans. It just never spells out drowning. But since she has pity on human sailors, combined with her water magic, that is the best guess we can have.
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we know more cultures are coming, there are many class archetypes the nomads/azrac aesthetic would fit, it's not like they need a new form.
Giving we already have locked to one city society traits, a when capture a new city old city 'migrates' to it, limited to one city but unlike destroyers it moves and your old gets razed instead of all new captures get raised, version of it is wholly plausible.
It could happen.
That is quoted me but it's not me, idk what happened there.
I also don't agree with it, loads of guys look like humans. even Haflings are just little funny guys.
I also don't agree with it, loads of guys look like humans. even Haflings are just little funny guys.
Uh… I’m pretty sure that’s only really the first game. From the second game onwards, humans are more or less treated equal to the other races. The second game had a human protagonist (Merlin) and a multi-racial evil conspiracy. Humans are seemingly the villains again in 3, but it ultimately becomes clear that both the Elven Court and the Commonwealth are dumb saps being manipulated by the Shadowborn. It also should be noted that to get a good ending you have to make peace with the other side, regardless of whether you’re playing as Sundren or Edward.
May i throw in some other things what the wks could be?
According to arcalot, athla is a dreamer. Capable of creating things from nothing. They could have been come into existing as wizardkings made by athla.
A lot of things are quite humanoid in aow. Archons, humans as the most obvious examples. But elf are close too. And fey have quite a variety aswell. Even the Efreet is a half human looking fire elemental. Karissa and yaka might be firespirits, nimue a nymph.
As you already know, wizardkings can shape races. And some line suggest they themselves arent bound by form anymore. So they could change their own appearance too, maybe even subconciously.
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I want Yaka to just be a dude though, it's not funny if he actually was a God or an aspect of one, if he's a wizard from back before wizards knew if they magiced too hard to the sun they could ascend to Godir/WK/whatevs who just sat down one way, thought too hard and look at his mates and went, oh am I god though? like I can create fire out of nothing.. dudes, I think I'm God. then burnt anyone who laughed and did it so long he forgot he was a dude, he's funny. If he's the fire aspect of Athla's dreaming existence or the Archon Of Fire, or an aspect of the Chaos Endalion or whatever, he's not funny.
Same with Nimue, if shes' the water as creation aspect of Athla, I mean I guess, if she's a normal lady who made an entire nation out of lizards and told them she was their god and then was transformed by their worship, or the power required to do it, or just the passage of centuries, and slowly became so detatched from humanity that when she had an accident and all her clothes fell off she just didnt remember what they were for so didnt bother putting new ones on, idk it makes her more interesting than if the water aspect of athla or the nature endelions incarnation on athla or the archon of water just, really likes lizards and hates clothes.
also re;Karissa cos she's just red nimue
Same with Nimue, if shes' the water as creation aspect of Athla, I mean I guess, if she's a normal lady who made an entire nation out of lizards and told them she was their god and then was transformed by their worship, or the power required to do it, or just the passage of centuries, and slowly became so detatched from humanity that when she had an accident and all her clothes fell off she just didnt remember what they were for so didnt bother putting new ones on, idk it makes her more interesting than if the water aspect of athla or the nature endelions incarnation on athla or the archon of water just, really likes lizards and hates clothes.
also re;Karissa cos she's just red nimue
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I agree. Perhaps another way of looking at things is that many Wizard Kings who were once mortal Champpions no longer see themselves as really belonging to the faction hey originated from but as something "more" or "different". If that goes to far we get people like Nimue and Yaka.
Her character bio in AoW2/SM also describes how she was originally the goddess of the Lizard Men, but seeing them decimated but he humans, she tried to destroy both races. She supposedly finished off the Lizardmen, but when she saw some drowned human sailors she decided they were handsome, started crying, and vowed to "redeem" humanity by becoming their goddess instead. Really, Nimue has portrayed very consistently throughout the AoW series.
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Most of the Azracs were destroyed, only the minority who had been conquered by humans survived, (sort of) as the parents of the Nomads.
If he's a Godir then he will end up in the Astral Void and then he might return to Magehaven.
It doesn't actually say that Nimue drowned the lizardmen, the means she used to kill them is unspecified.
No, their habitat is basically all the way up to the Isle of Last Goodbyes, so basically all the way to the north-east of the Age of Wonders 1 map.
Maybe they can change their own form, but we don't have any examples in the lore of them doing so.
I missed the whole Athla is a dreamer thing, probably because I turned down the whole Syron questline since Turiel Tolarim had better things to do at Arcalot, like killing endless hordes of tainted creatures.
Occam's Razor kind of says to me that they are Archons, because we know they aren't human but they look human. We could invent whole new races of humanlike creatures, with the wizard kings as the only in-game members or we could just have them be archons and keep things simple.
making absolute declarations from a position of 'turned down whole questlines' isn't the best place to stand
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Aow 4 lore section does have this to say about wks:
"No longer limited to their original mortal form" pretty much covers that they can change appearance. It could also mean they can transfer their conciousness to another body. But later is speculation. Though it essentially happened in the finale of aow2 and with melenis.
Problem is, Archons are known for having life/order affinity. So why would they suddenly be fire, water, earth, death, air?
New forms/races and stuff like that have way less assumptins to add, than going the race that embodies life/order suddenly has subtypes fully dedicated to the other elements/affinities.
There is also a part in aow2 about nimue where she has a bathing place with her nymphs with tons of signs about voyeurs not being allowed. Why does she have nymphs there? Only because of water affinity? Or maybe she feels connected in another way to them? Like maybe some kind of family bonds? If she is an archon, why arent there archon girls bathing with her?
If they all are archons, why do they rebell against Gabriel, a fellow archon?
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Agreed! Making all the Wizard Kings from AoW2 Archons would both be boring and unfitting, and nothing ever calls them Archons (with the exception of Anon and Gabriel)
And we see from AoW4 that Wizard Kings can have any number of origins (including a demonic one, like Frikka) And with Wizard Kings not being bound to their original form even the human looking ones (Karissa, Yaka, Nimue, Artica, Mab, Tempest) could have had any number of origins and merely, in time, came to prefer the humanoid form. Maybe some of them originally were elementals who gained enough power to ascend. Maybe Nimue was a nymph as you suggest, or maybe Yaka was a human on some far-flung world before he became a Wizard King and came to work with Gabriel. With Artica and Karissa it gets even more mysterious; one of the skrimish maps in either AoW2 or SM calls them "primal" and says that traditionally they are thought of as "sisters". And Karissa's bio in AoW2 states that the scantly clad, red-haired 80s heavy metal album cover girl form is just how she appears to humans, suggesting that (at least at the time) she appeared in other forms to other forms to other races, making her original form (and possibly Artica's if they are really sisters) anybody's guess. Are they "primal" because they originate from an elemental state and later chose the human forms we know them under, or were they once mortal champions who after becoming Wizard Kings merged so deeply with their respective elements that they became "primal"?
Plus, for all we know Nimue might have appeared as a Lizard Lady when she was still goddess of the Lizard Men and only chose the humanoid shape when she became infatuated with humanity.
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Exactly. There are tons of possible origins. All we know is, that they never got specified. Declaring all unknown origins to be archons when we have a way easier explanation for their human appearance, seems to me more likely to ignore occrams razor.
It is essentially prefering "they are all archons, despite no evidence for that and ignoring their lack of holy innate magic" vs "they want to look like that"
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