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Hi BoraBora,
so you mean that CO has encountered the 5/5 office bug as well?
Best regards,
sys
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Then its a feature and not a bug haha
So they reched 10k stock, couldn't find any buyers and had to lay of employees.
So they reched 10k stock, couldn't find any buyers and had to lay of employees.
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The lack of staff dedicated to community engagement and glacial development pace hint to this.
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Skylines 1 sold between 10 and 15 million copies, and then had a few dozen DLC on top of that. If the average CS1 customer spent $50 on the game (base+whatever DLCs), that's $500 million in sales over the life of the game. Sure, steam takes 20-30%. Paradox also takes their cut. But if CO had 50 employees and paid them all $100k/year, that's only $5 million/year in expenses. And I don't think CO has ever had that many employees, and probably isn't paying them that amount beyond lead devs given that they're located in Finland.
There's also CS2, which sold between 1-2 million copies. It's $50 and hasn't been on sale too many times since release. That's another $50 million in sales.
Where did all the cash go that they would have to be running Skylines 2 on a shoestring budget? They made too much money for this to be the case, unless they've given up on CS2 and have already internally started on something else... like CS3 and moving away from Unity which is clearly being pushed beyond what it is capable of doing with CS2.
That's a them issue, not a me issue.
As long as I am truthful (I am) and not defamatory (I am not), I can, without fear of reprisal, share information about consumer rights.
An attempt to shut such information down would be a reprisal. Anywho, it was really just a hey, this exist for people that wants to make use of it as we are now far beyond what is reasonable.
I know it is and it's way more easier than most people imagine, I explained the process here (my post was deleted by the moderation) and on a french forum (where my post was welcomed by the moderation
). Different forums, different rules.
The breakdown is more complicated than that, at least for a typical game studio. Out of the price of the game, the first thing usually siphoned is the platform cost (i.e. Steam). This is typically around 30% on each sale. Then you have the publisher cut, which normally is anywhere between 15-40% of the sale. Then you have taxes. Marketing takes its cut. The cost of renting out an office, equipment, utilities, software licenses is another cut. If the game uses any IP than it will have to pay royalties. Only then do you have the costs associated with hiring developers, artists, engineers, QA, etc. If there's anything left, then that is the profit and the expectation is it gets reinvested, saved, or distributed to shareholders, and so there may be pressure to have some level of profit available regardless.
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Yes and I noted most of those in my post... it's still pushing close to a billion in sales over all of their products (CIM 1&2, CS1, CS2). Even if they only get a small slice of that pie, 10% would be enough to fund their studio, rent space, and pay for things like a large unity license for a couple of decades.
There should be no possible way CS2 is running on a skeleton crew of a two devs which is what the post I was quoting claimed.
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That is assuming that no mismanagement took place, which given the state of CS2 and its development, is a very bold assumption.
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We have no idea how the profits from CS1 were spent along the years. Shareholders, investment in other games (including 5 years of development for CS II), purchase of intellectual properties (like Prison Architect), of whole studios (like Haemimont Games and Harebrained Schemes) or even of real estate properties for all we know.
You're not reasoning like a business owner. First, the money from CIM1 & 2 and the past years of CS1 has been spent long ago. Second, your financial investments in a product depends of the profits you're expecting for this product, not the past ones. At release they already had spent much more than what they had initially planned (5 years instead of 2) because they were expecting a huge return on investment. 19 months later, CS II is still meh (right now, 4589 CS II players, while 7490 enjoys CS1) with a 52% rating (not terrible but still pretty bad) and generally going nowhere with a #198 position in the top sellers on Steam.
I haven't said CO had only 2 devs, I said they may be only a few, including 2 working on B&P and fixing some bugs. The rest are probably working on the console version, maybe the asset editor. Whatever the calculations, and I'm not working at CO so all of this is just a guess, I can't imagine 30 people working (especially "hard working"
) for 19 months with nothing to show but a handful of assets (discounting the region packs and the CCP made by modders), a few patches (some of them introducing game-breaking bugs) and some optimization (at the cost of making the simulation more fake with lots more of teleporting).Remember Lamplighters Guild in 2023?
Sure, CO hasn't been bought by PDX so they can't be forced to reduce their staff, but their only game is CS II and they don't own it so if PDX is cutting the funds, they have to.
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Could you private message me about the french forum where you posted, please ?I know it is and it's way more easier than most people imagine, I explained the process here (my post was deleted by the moderation) and on a french forum (where my post was welcomed by the moderation
Sure and I also PMed you my deleted post in english with its TL;DR. Anyway it's very easy to google your laws about delivery dates of paid products.
Shouldn't you guys test the new free content before you go for the money grab?
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There's no need of a lawsuit to be refunded a product never delivered. We're not in a movie with Julia Roberts.
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Considering all that's wrong in the game, I don't think for a minute the next patch will make a difference. Each new patch since more than a year has been heralded as the game's savior for a few days then we're back at square one. But if you're optimistic, then get your UE refunded and buy the base game for half the price. But buy it at least 2 weeks AFTER the patch, when you'll know exactly what has been fixed and which new bugs were introduced. As for me, I'll have no interest in CS II as long as the asset editor (complete and out of beta) won't be released, so I'll probably never play CS II again.
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Get what now refunded????
I went for 2 paths. One via Steam. The other via Paradox.
Both requests were for not delivering even after X patches and free stuff.
Both "nope" from both.
I pre-ordered the UE.
In fact, one of my requests ended in sanctions (which are not allowed to be discussed for silly reasons)