LOL! I treated myself after I sold my company, built a new house and sold the old one! Scan built it and it cost so much I didn't tell my wife! It really is a wondrous piece of equipment!So, basically, a NASA level supercomputer...
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I'm another old git too, well into my sixties - not yet a grandfather, but my wife and I patiently wait and wonder ... :=)
I think it is true that us older, and perhaps wiser duffers, are more reasoned in our arguments and less aggressive unless somebody really pokes the stick at us. I have better things to be annoyed about than if my investment in buying CS:2 was worth it.
The homeless issue really annoys me, almost as much as the lack of published progress that CO/PDX appear to be making in fixing it. I have been running the homeless mod for ages. It does help.
Unfortunately though, there doesn't seem to be a mod to remove the boredom which occurs when the cities start to get big, boring and so, so slow to simulate!
Perhaps living out in the country here in the UK with a smallish village up the lane and a panoramic vista of green fields on the rear side of my house, I don't encounter in real life the level of homelessness which affects the game. It's well documented that some cities around the world are homeless magnets, but heavens forbid if all cities have the same amount of homelessness that this game is plagued by! Do they?
I admire the patience of Major Kudos - I've communicated with him for quite some time on another forum. Sadly, I can't justify the electricity bill running my decently spec'd PC 24/7/365. I'd be more inclined to run it if I felt that CO had invested a decent amount of development power into optimising the game beyond the release candidate as I feel it may produce results. I'm in the midst of some major decorating of our house at the moment and am convinced that there is more to be gained in watching the emulsion paint dry than there is watching my city simulate itself into homeless ruin - and that's with a 14700K 4700 GTi 64G DDR5 and more cooling than the wind turbines that I can see in the far distance.
Maybe tomorrow CO/PDX will release a new version of the game , bug free and running twenty times faster than the horror that we currently have..... then again, pigs may fly (very common here in the country, especially after a few glasses of local cider).
I think it is true that us older, and perhaps wiser duffers, are more reasoned in our arguments and less aggressive unless somebody really pokes the stick at us. I have better things to be annoyed about than if my investment in buying CS:2 was worth it.
The homeless issue really annoys me, almost as much as the lack of published progress that CO/PDX appear to be making in fixing it. I have been running the homeless mod for ages. It does help.
Unfortunately though, there doesn't seem to be a mod to remove the boredom which occurs when the cities start to get big, boring and so, so slow to simulate!
Perhaps living out in the country here in the UK with a smallish village up the lane and a panoramic vista of green fields on the rear side of my house, I don't encounter in real life the level of homelessness which affects the game. It's well documented that some cities around the world are homeless magnets, but heavens forbid if all cities have the same amount of homelessness that this game is plagued by! Do they?
I admire the patience of Major Kudos - I've communicated with him for quite some time on another forum. Sadly, I can't justify the electricity bill running my decently spec'd PC 24/7/365. I'd be more inclined to run it if I felt that CO had invested a decent amount of development power into optimising the game beyond the release candidate as I feel it may produce results. I'm in the midst of some major decorating of our house at the moment and am convinced that there is more to be gained in watching the emulsion paint dry than there is watching my city simulate itself into homeless ruin - and that's with a 14700K 4700 GTi 64G DDR5 and more cooling than the wind turbines that I can see in the far distance.
Maybe tomorrow CO/PDX will release a new version of the game , bug free and running twenty times faster than the horror that we currently have..... then again, pigs may fly (very common here in the country, especially after a few glasses of local cider).
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I find it completely engaging when you have a large city as just getting the traffic flowing can take up an entire day! Just when you think you have it sorted out you remember that you have only been looking at that one area for the last three hours and zoom out only to find that there's a traffic jam twice as large as the one you just resolved over in another part of the city so off you go and so too the rest of the day, a viscous cycle but a darn fun one!
I must be missing something as I just bought the Ultimate Edition after a few months away. Cancelled Gamepass and decided to go all out but now I find that no matter what I do I just cannot get any Lodging even with subsidising it negative 10, the tourists just don't want to stay in Hotels, never had an issue a few months back with the Gamepass Standard Ed, is this something to do with the Ultimate Edition as I noticed a few community Maps like Owls Uskumru Bay Map says This Mod is not compatible with your game version and may not work. Is there a version beyond Ultimate that I missed?
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No, it's Economy 2.0 and/or the Detailer's Patch. They seem to have introduced a handful of bugs.
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Is there any early access or ability to be able to test up coming patches or updates on the game? I would much prefer to be beta testing the game, than staying at the current version.
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Ahh K Thanks, looking forward to the next update, thought I was going mad
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Thank you for the great post, it has immediately made a dream start into my personal top 10.
I don't have any grandchildren yet either, but I do have children, just not yet of reproductive age. I don't have a supercomputer under my desk, but a slightly better mid-range machine (Ryzen 5600, RTX3060, 32GiB DDR4). Just like my wife orders shoes, eyelash serum and Temu gadgets, I invest in better PC hardware every few years. The last time was about a year ago, when I still had a GTX 1060 with some AMD FX CPU from the last decade.
On average, I spend about 100 euros a year on PC gaming. And I'm stingy. People think I have a house, so I'm rolling in money. No, it's the other way around: I pay for a house, so I don't have any money. I get Steam keys from resellers from the junk box and only when I'm really keen on a game do I grab it without thinking and don't wait.
That's why my perspective on the game and everything surrounding it is a little more relaxed. First of all, there are more meaningful and fulfilling leisure activities for me than gaming. Secondly, I bought the game at a discount price. And thirdly, I tend to play on a small scale. I love building settlements and suburbs. When it gets bigger, from 200k-300k population, I feel more like tearing down or restarting the city than continuing to play. Not because the performance gets worse, but because it just gets too big for me. This is also the case with Stellaris and Civilization: The initial (build-up) phase is the most enjoyable for me, after that it gets dull. I must have started each of these games 50 times, played 20 of them to the mid-game and 3 to the end. And the fact that I prefer to play “smaller” means that I hardly encounter performance problems.
Nevertheless, on the whole I find Paradox's behavior to be quite a bitch's move (is this a pseudo-anglicism in my language? ). Yes, we all knew that the game was released half-baked. But none of those responsible admitted it right from the start. The game is still in development and only with a lot of luck, hard work and patience will it actually have a usable release quality a year later. I fully understand the daily outbursts of anger (at least for their motivation, often less so for their wording) and the predominant impatience on the part of the community.
Sometimes I've also taken offense because I have too relaxed a view of things and have met some thoughtless comments with too much irony or sarcasm. Sorry for that once again.
Now I don't even know what point I wanted to get to. Maybe I'll remember after I've posted.
Thank you for the great post, it has immediately made a dream start into my personal top 10.
I don't have any grandchildren yet either, but I do have children, just not yet of reproductive age. I don't have a supercomputer under my desk, but a slightly better mid-range machine (Ryzen 5600, RTX3060, 32GiB DDR4). Just like my wife orders shoes, eyelash serum and Temu gadgets, I invest in better PC hardware every few years. The last time was about a year ago, when I still had a GTX 1060 with some AMD FX CPU from the last decade.
On average, I spend about 100 euros a year on PC gaming. And I'm stingy. People think I have a house, so I'm rolling in money. No, it's the other way around: I pay for a house, so I don't have any money. I get Steam keys from resellers from the junk box and only when I'm really keen on a game do I grab it without thinking and don't wait.
That's why my perspective on the game and everything surrounding it is a little more relaxed. First of all, there are more meaningful and fulfilling leisure activities for me than gaming. Secondly, I bought the game at a discount price. And thirdly, I tend to play on a small scale. I love building settlements and suburbs. When it gets bigger, from 200k-300k population, I feel more like tearing down or restarting the city than continuing to play. Not because the performance gets worse, but because it just gets too big for me. This is also the case with Stellaris and Civilization: The initial (build-up) phase is the most enjoyable for me, after that it gets dull. I must have started each of these games 50 times, played 20 of them to the mid-game and 3 to the end. And the fact that I prefer to play “smaller” means that I hardly encounter performance problems.
Nevertheless, on the whole I find Paradox's behavior to be quite a bitch's move (is this a pseudo-anglicism in my language?
). Yes, we all knew that the game was released half-baked. But none of those responsible admitted it right from the start. The game is still in development and only with a lot of luck, hard work and patience will it actually have a usable release quality a year later. I fully understand the daily outbursts of anger (at least for their motivation, often less so for their wording) and the predominant impatience on the part of the community.Sometimes I've also taken offense because I have too relaxed a view of things and have met some thoughtless comments with too much irony or sarcasm. Sorry for that once again.
Now I don't even know what point I wanted to get to. Maybe I'll remember after I've posted.
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I seem to remember an apology at launch for the performance side of things but don't ask me to find it, it was bad but still pretty even with half the stuff in settings turned off. I was playing another game of which was worse than CS2 that launched a week after *cough Turn10* and after spending an entire day in the settings in that game I came across a YouTube clip on how to get the best out of your NV Card, the link has since been removed but you can easily just search for Best NVIDIA Control Panel settings and there's a really easy thing you can do with regedit to unlock some hidden features in the control panel also setting the Shader cache size to 10GB made this other game run at twice the FPS I was getting beforehand so I thought I'd try out CS2 as I had Gamepass at the time and just those changes I made as per the guide made a world of difference, that's when I was running a 2080TI and since upgraded to a 4070TI SUPER and kept the control panel setting when updating the NV drivers. An absolute must do for anyone with an NV card is at least crank up the shader cache to 10GB or 100 if you have the space@RuralConurbation
Thank you for the great post, it has immediately made a dream start into my personal top 10.
I don't have any grandchildren yet either, but I do have children, just not yet of reproductive age. I don't have a supercomputer under my desk, but a slightly better mid-range machine (Ryzen 5600, RTX3060, 32GiB DDR4). Just like my wife orders shoes, eyelash serum and Temu gadgets, I invest in better PC hardware every few years. The last time was about a year ago, when I still had a GTX 1060 with some AMD FX CPU from the last decade.
On average, I spend about 100 euros a year on PC gaming. And I'm stingy. People think I have a house, so I'm rolling in money. No, it's the other way around: I pay for a house, so I don't have any money. I get Steam keys from resellers from the junk box and only when I'm really keen on a game do I grab it without thinking and don't wait.
That's why my perspective on the game and everything surrounding it is a little more relaxed. First of all, there are more meaningful and fulfilling leisure activities for me than gaming. Secondly, I bought the game at a discount price. And thirdly, I tend to play on a small scale. I love building settlements and suburbs. When it gets bigger, from 200k-300k population, I feel more like tearing down or restarting the city than continuing to play. Not because the performance gets worse, but because it just gets too big for me. This is also the case with Stellaris and Civilization: The initial (build-up) phase is the most enjoyable for me, after that it gets dull. I must have started each of these games 50 times, played 20 of them to the mid-game and 3 to the end. And the fact that I prefer to play “smaller” means that I hardly encounter performance problems.
Nevertheless, on the whole I find Paradox's behavior to be quite a bitch's move (is this a pseudo-anglicism in my language?
Sometimes I've also taken offense because I have too relaxed a view of things and have met some thoughtless comments with too much irony or sarcasm. Sorry for that once again.
Now I don't even know what point I wanted to get to. Maybe I'll remember after I've posted.
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hope you are looking also at the no tourists in city bug (also introduced by the Economy 2.0 version), related or not with the homeless bug. thanks
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There is movement in steamdb with "pdx_test", "early_access" and some "added library_assets_full"
CO should just embrace that this game is still in early access and give us all access to those builds.
I bet the big streamers all have access to them already, I don't see why we can't also.
CO should make it an opt in thing for people, so they only affect those that want to be part of the testing of builds, so we can all give them good feedback.
I bet the big streamers all have access to them already, I don't see why we can't also.
CO should make it an opt in thing for people, so they only affect those that want to be part of the testing of builds, so we can all give them good feedback.
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In other words, do exactly what Manorlods development is doing with a much smaller team.
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Major shouts to you for sticking with it since day one, that seems like forever.
I'm looking forward to the coming Fall and Winter when the intense heat from the game negates my gas bill. Relatively speaking both gas and volts are affordable here.
It will be a sad day for me if this franchise fails. I'm not a gamer but on my first computer (486) I loaded SimCity for the sole purpose of learning the new tools. Turned out it was a good choice given my success in life. The only games I am familiar with were the SC series and now CS. Just no desire or time for anything else.
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My point is nobody but you in a million gamers will do the same so your hardware is irrelevant. What's relevant is what population can you attain with the recommanded hardware, without slowing down the simulation and while playing the game, not letting it running 7/24/365.
Crapping on the game and CO/PDX every day on the Steam forum like you do is equally irrelevant. 7000 hours of play means absolute love for the game.
I played 10 hours at release and it was enough for me to put it on the backburner and wait for A LOT of improvements. I'm still waiting, the game being still not ready for a genuine 1.0 release.
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Indeed I do love the game. Highlighting its problems can be a positive approach.
Most players report the same problems in the average size and immature cities. Few play the long game.
The big old city shares some of the small city problems; However there are many bugs not seen in a small city that develop as the landscape gets both big and old.
The only way to get big and old is with marathon playtime.
I need no excuses for my gametime as it fulfills my personal interests while 99% of players understand the purpose.
Most players report the same problems in the average size and immature cities. Few play the long game.
The big old city shares some of the small city problems; However there are many bugs not seen in a small city that develop as the landscape gets both big and old.
The only way to get big and old is with marathon playtime.
I need no excuses for my gametime as it fulfills my personal interests while 99% of players understand the purpose.
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Can you tell some bug that only appear in bigger cities? My maximum population is 130k
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The homeless population transitions to 99% seniors, sickness spreads to most of them. Hospitals that once were more than adequate now become overwhelmed and a never ending death wave begins.
Sick and once homeless seniors find a home to squat in before death even though still tagged homeless. Take forever to be disposed of by once adequate death services.
This happened at about city age 40 after ECO2 in both my accounts when my city had a population of 2.9m. Population influx was also massive but not enough to keep stable. The pop of the oldest city is currently at 1.8m and still dropping slowly while the death wave has gone on for a decade.
Along with that the schools system that once was near full are now almost empty while all businesses scream for educated employees.
The homeless lined up on streets becomes more widespread.
The population now at 1.8m is over 49% senior. Outside connections seem to bring in more seniors and homeless than leave.
Those are the most noticeable.
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Totally agree. This issue is game-breaking in the late game, but it kind of feels like they're just treating it like a minor inconvenience that we can just work around.
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I think that a big part of the problem is that very few players get to the point of having really big cities - certainly of the size that Major Kudos has. For most people, and partly on account of the poor optimisation and partly on account of the boredom (too easy before EC2 {still pretty easy afterwards}, lack of assets, etc) they give up and move on after a few hundred hours of gameplay (at most).
The game is so full of major issues once players try to play with it rather than paint with it, that CO (assuming they are actually still funded to work on the game) are fixing the issues which promote as many players as possible to stay playing/painting as more engaged players gives more DLC opportunities later.
I just don't see the order of magnitude performance optimisation that the game needs for big cities ever coming - especially as they seem to have all but given up on a console release any time soon. Unless somebody at CO has an Einstein moment and suddenly sees a glaring optimisation improvement quick fix, I suspect that we will remain stick in treacle. For me, improving it by a few tens of percent, while welcome, isn't going to make that much difference as the game will still be slow. I always wanted a big city simulator - something much bigger that CS1 offered, the marketing said that this was what I was getting - but it didn't admit that my PC would have a heart attack trying to get there.
So, let's say they come out with a fix for the homeless bug - what difference will that make on its own? Yes, the homeless issue may go away but it will probably introduce half a dozen secondary or even primary side effects.
The YouTube content seems to have focused upon city painting with small cities - which is fine - as this is all the game is capable of doing with an average PC. It may even satisfy console users (if the game ever gets there).
The percentage of people who are willing to stick out for an optimised large city builder is dwindling day by day. The seasoned genre players (myself included) want the capability, but the majority of people want something to muck around with for a few hours after work and then move on to something else. To my mind, the big city builders are largely "out of sight and out of mind" at the moment - especially if optimisation isn't on the PDX radar and for which there is a quick fix.
The game is so full of major issues once players try to play with it rather than paint with it, that CO (assuming they are actually still funded to work on the game) are fixing the issues which promote as many players as possible to stay playing/painting as more engaged players gives more DLC opportunities later.
I just don't see the order of magnitude performance optimisation that the game needs for big cities ever coming - especially as they seem to have all but given up on a console release any time soon. Unless somebody at CO has an Einstein moment and suddenly sees a glaring optimisation improvement quick fix, I suspect that we will remain stick in treacle. For me, improving it by a few tens of percent, while welcome, isn't going to make that much difference as the game will still be slow. I always wanted a big city simulator - something much bigger that CS1 offered, the marketing said that this was what I was getting - but it didn't admit that my PC would have a heart attack trying to get there.
So, let's say they come out with a fix for the homeless bug - what difference will that make on its own? Yes, the homeless issue may go away but it will probably introduce half a dozen secondary or even primary side effects.
The YouTube content seems to have focused upon city painting with small cities - which is fine - as this is all the game is capable of doing with an average PC. It may even satisfy console users (if the game ever gets there).
The percentage of people who are willing to stick out for an optimised large city builder is dwindling day by day. The seasoned genre players (myself included) want the capability, but the majority of people want something to muck around with for a few hours after work and then move on to something else. To my mind, the big city builders are largely "out of sight and out of mind" at the moment - especially if optimisation isn't on the PDX radar and for which there is a quick fix.
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