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Rebel armies that spring up in a province and fight an existing army that by luck just happens to be stationed in the same province, are extremely strong! I've seen rebel armies with sticks, beat historical leader lead professional combined armed troops in great condition with full pay, and sometimes the rebel force is only half the size of my loyalist army. Is this a bug or are my troops conflicted and now weaker because they are fighting family members in the rebel army, or are they joining the rebel army themselves? What are the developers intentions in this situation?
 
The 'super rebel' problem strategy mentioned was fixed earlier. I have no problems with rebels now PROVIDED I don´t forget to include a cavalry advantage for my troops. (Rebels usually come with a well balanced army.)

Hartmann
 
On a related topic

Are the tiny minor nations more advanced than the majors? I have been sending in 35 to 42 troops to Helvetia, to fight their 19, and I keep getting whipped. The first time it happened I was surprised, but Saxony seems more powerful than my troops too. According to the tech chart my land tech is higher than anyones.

--Avenger
 
According to the tech chart my land tech is higher than anyones.

Oh, you have a special version of the game that shows EVERY nations tech, do you ?

Mine for certain don't show the minors tech...

Are the tiny minor nations more advanced than the majors?
Tech research is cheaper in small countries.
 
Hartmann,

I'm playing the new American release, version 1.07c and I get 'Super Rebels'. So then, what version are you playing?

Hey, now don't get me wrong, if this is the design of the game to add uncertainty, I don't have a problem with that, because many times in history the rebels won. But, my concern is that I may be doing something wrong, or its a bug we are seeing.
 
I´m playing the German version, but this shouldn´t matter (which is not exactly true, as there seem to be indeed some bugs unique to the US/UK versions). I for one don´t have any problems with rebels since a few patches ago. Their tech should be about the same as Yours (which wasn´t the case in earlier versions with the 'super rebels'). Are You sure You have a cavalry advantage when tackling them? Are You taking all other things into account like e.g. the specific bonuses for defenders in mountains etc.?

Hartmann
 
Originally posted by Carl Deppen
Hartmann,

I'm playing the new American release, version 1.07c and I get 'Super Rebels'. So then, what version are you playing?

Hey, now don't get me wrong, if this is the design of the game to add uncertainty, I don't have a problem with that, because many times in history the rebels won. But, my concern is that I may be doing something wrong, or its a bug we are seeing.
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I'm playing the same version and encountering the same problem. I can have them outnumbered infantry-wise 3 to 1, with better modifiers in the combat display and still lose the battle, even though my infantry can destroy a European force double my size. There are definitely some things amiss with the American version of this game.
 
'You have a cavalry advantage when tackling them?

I can't swear that I had, but in many cases, my army was the best of my forces. In one particular case, it was a great army 30-35 strong with a historical leader. I remember thinking: 'Ah, what fools those rebels, to attack me where I am at my strongest', only to watch my army crack and flee the field. Generally, I have a moderate portion of Calvary in the mix of my better armies, perhaps 1/3. However, I have seen Rebel armies that are almost completely made up of calvary with about 10 cannon.


'Are You taking all other things into account like e.g. the specific bonuses for defenders in mountains etc.?'

The cases I'm perplexed about are when the rebels spontaneously appear in a province that my troops are presently stationed in, I am the defender. Maybe they are surprised by the rebels and lose moral, because I seem to do better against rebel armies when I am the attacker, coming from an adjacent province.
 
Originally posted by Carl Deppen

The cases I'm perplexed about are when the rebels spontaneously appear in a province that my troops are presently stationed in, I am the defender. Maybe they are surprised by the rebels and lose moral, because I seem to do better against rebel armies when I am the attacker, coming from an adjacent province.
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Could indeed be a bug. There´s STILL one other possible explanation, though: If You have just this month built some new recruits supplementing Your army, the moral will drop quite steeply. At this stage even a normally excellent force is very vulnerable to rebels. I´ve made this experience when I first tried to guard provinces with 'national revolt risk' with an army (when 1.06 came out). I had no problems putting down rebellions springing up in a province my army was stationed in until I decided to replenish them by building a replenishment force in that very province. When the recruits arrived a rebellion sprang up and my army was annihilated. Since then I replenish such 'rebellion guard forces' from the outside only.

Hartmann
 
Originally posted by HANDEL
Looks like it is intended. Super-Rebels just like Super -pirates. Someone told earlier, that the pirates have very high tech level. Probably it is the same with rebels.
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That's a bug that will be gone in 1.08.

As for rebels, I too sometimes loose majorly against them with the force standing in the province they appear (far from regularyl though). However marching in an equal force from another province usually annohilates the rebels fast and with low losses.

I don't know if this is a feature or a bug. Could be a way to represent local troops beeing taken by surprice and/or having conflicting loyalties.
Guess, only Johan et al can answer us on this, bug, feature or are we just seeing ghosts =)
 
'Could indeed be a bug. There´s STILL one other possible explanation, though: If You have just this month built some new recruits supplementing Your army, the moral will drop quite steeply.'

No, they were fully trained troops. My best troops were done in by rabble. However, I have noticed that my troops aren't reduced much in numbers when fighting the rebels. They aren't being killed on the field, but they are severely reduced in moral when fighting these rebel armies and then they are forced to flee, once their moral breaks. And what further galled me was that in a couple of cases I had NO retreat available and then my troops were annihilated. Now, I can see that the moral of my troops would probably be poor when fighting their own people in the streets, but is this a bug or a design feature?
Where's Johan, on this issue?
 
'Did you have your army maintenance level on 100%?'

I'm pretty sure I did. But I've been known to overlook this at times. Sure wish the computer had a pop up screen on declarations of war to remind players to adjust this setting. Just a little too much micromanagement in this game, and somethings like this tend to get overlooked in the heat of battle preparations. But, god how I love this game, its a classic!
 
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Don’t I know it!! In a war between me (Russia) and the Teutonic Order my armies of abt. 40K constantly were beaten back by mere 10K armies of the order, I kept pumping more and more infantry into the fray and we finally settled on a white peace. When I wanted to put the maintenance back to 50% it already was…….
(repeatedly banging my head against a brick wall..)
 
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