Will All Under Heaven be the End of Content for the Expanded Map?

[Eltar1]

I've read a suggestion somewhere that hunter-gatherer societies could have their own non-playable gov like the herders, but including any Australian provinces, even unplayable ones, is a big stretch imho. It might be represented better through events you get as island rulers, that a wayward ship returned with a courtier from a strange culture, etc. Or just don't mention it at all, I'm certain that mods like RICE can make better job at modeling the interactions between Australia and ASEAN than Paradox.

More African content would be tasty. Best case scenario would be playable Zimbabwe and the lake kingdoms, but making them off-map entities like the CK2 China seems more likely.

There's evidence that Northern Australia was being visited by traders during medieval times and it was near trade routes that brought a certain australian bird to Sicily in the 1300s. It wasn't some important trade post, but trade and contact between them existed. So, events alluding to that could certainly exist. Maybe even a possible Adventurer Inspiration location.

And just to make it clear, I don't really want them to add any tribal counties to Northern Australia, just saying that they could reasonably do that if they wanted to make use of that space. What I want is them to extend Africa a bit further south to give us the whole Swahili coast. And I'm trying to convince people that Australia being in the east wouldn't prevent that.

Ultimately, extending Africa further south to give us the whole Swahili Coast wouldn't require them to add Australia, not even as a Wasteland. They could just cut it out, just like the inland southern part of africa is on the revealed map.

The current map isn't even perfectly rectangular and I've played mods that had maps with weirder shapes than the current one. They could just present it as the right down corner of the map being ripped off and you'd only see a part of Australian coast obscured by clouds.

The only map limitations I'm aware of are that the height of the map can't be higher than the width of the map. If you look at the current in-game eastern part of the map, you can see that the map looks like it had the right part of it ripped off and the edge of the map isn't a straight line, but curves around certain geographical features, with Xi Xia protruding a bit further to the east than the rest. They could just do the same thing to Australia if they decided to extend the map further south to give us more of Africa.

 

[SMiki Lorebringer]

I'm concerned about county density in SE Asia, mostly in Indonesia. We can see there is only one Empire there. I would rather love something similar to Rajas of Asia mod map. I don't belive we will get much content (if any) for Phillipines and most of mainland SE Asia. Maybe it's a niche for future Flavor Pack? Who knows. I'm skeptical.

Yeah, Nusantara reaching all the way to Ryukyu looks like an overkill. If Ryukyu can't be in Japan's de jure, perhaps group it with Palau, Taiwan and Philippines?

 

[Koronus]

Dividing the map into lil pieces.....

Japan seems set to get it's own clothes, gov, etc, so I don't think they would need any further DLC
China *certainly* will not need any further DLC after this point, just not at all, though they may get touched by fundamental mechanical DLC
Korea is in a grey space, so they *might* get a DLC in the future depending on how much content they get here, but I wouldn't count on it?
SE Asia *probably* will also get it's own clothing set, and is certainly getting it's own government with the Devarajas, whether it was in a Dev Diary or in a Dev Comment I don't remember, but they hinted at unique mechanics for SE Asian Tribal Govs too!?

I think that Tibet and India, already on the map, will deserve their own DLC (though I have to wonder if they will be the same DLC or two separate ones?

Eh given how in Japan and China there it is common to pray to two religions at the same time so I wonder if one Religion DLC will be enough or you need one for Abrahim Religions and one for Eastern?

 

[KaiserWilhelmII-]

Eh given how in Japan and China there it is common to pray to two religions at the same time so I wonder if one Religion DLC will be enough or you need one for Abrahim Religions and one for Eastern?

Even with a more broad definition of “eastern”, those two would miss the European and African pagan faiths

 

[CannaeCogitate]

Eh given how in Japan and China there it is common to pray to two religions at the same time so I wonder if one Religion DLC will be enough or you need one for Abrahim Religions and one for Eastern?

Honestly I think that they can and *should* do both in one DLC, even if that makes it a major DLC (which it should be)

edit: and they should also overhaul Pagan religions, I would love to see African religions handled a touch differently than they are right now.

 

[Ksiendzu]

It's hard to belive that Palau could be omitted on map when we get Papua and already have Madaira.

 

[CrazyRat]

It's hard to belive that Palau could be omitted on map when we get Papua and already have Madaira.

I can very much imagine that. There just aren’t that many isles in the vicinity of Madeira, so – while it may have been uninhabited – there are no questions like ‘OK, so why is Madeira a separate province, and not [insert any island nearby]?’

Meanwhile, the Indonesia & Oceania Region (& Japan as well) is defined by the thousands, and thousands of small islands, and many of them may be more populated than Palau & have better historical records, so potentially that opens a can of worms.

let’s see… on the DD#172 – the only close up look of Japan we have – Izu islands are wastelands, whereas [look at Wikipedia] it was Japanese province from 680 AD, and we may have bigger records for them than Palau [and frankly, they may have had bigger populations]; why include Palau as a county, and not them?? – that kind of thing.

(and it is arbitrary, yeah.)

 

[SMiki Lorebringer]

Speaking of Madeira, is it still Guanche? Norse seems to be the only historically plausible culture if it has to be inhabited

 

[KaiserWilhelmII-]

Speaking of Madeira, is it still Guanche? Norse seems to be the only historically plausible culture if it has to be inhabited

Or just uninhabited land. Godherja (or it might be something another modder shared with the Godherja team) has a good mechanic for uninhabited land. I’m sure something similar could be implemented in the base game