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CK2 Dev Diary #105 - Clergy Interactions Revamp

Hello, everyone.

Today we will be talking of a nice quality of life update to the interface, AI behavior and some new additional flavor regarding the Papacy (as well as any similar religious head that has access to these interactions, such as a Reformed Pagan High Priest with Hierocratic Leadership).

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The patch coming with Holy Fury will place all Papal Actions in a more easily accessible list of icons, right under the portrait of your religious head in the Religion screen.

Furthermore, the behavior for all these actions has been un-hardcoded and fully scripted, so the Pope is now much more sensible when deciding who he wants to Excommunicate, and less restrictive when considering the possibility of granting an Invasion casus belli to an ambitious ruler. More importantly, players are now able to see exactly why their religious head is denying them a request.

The AI logic itself has been considerably expanded and tailored to the various actions.

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Having a vassal Pope no longer ensures that all your demands will be automatically accepted, and having an independent Pope will not make it near-impossible to get a favor from him. The Pope will take into consideration Opinion, Piety, traits, the specific circumstances (such as divorcing an infertile wife), and the amount of controlled Cardinal seats when deciding whether to accept a ruler’s request or not. Piety costs for these interactions have also been rebalanced and tied to the ruler’s tier, making them more accessible to low ranking rulers and costlier to Kings and Emperors.

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The Request Claim interaction has been given a special new interface as well to make it more intuitive and accessible to players. Rather than having to search directly for the title that you wish to gain a claim on, you can use the new button in the religious view to get a list of potential Catholic rulers owning titles for which the Pope is willing to grant you a claim on. By clicking on any of them, you will be shown a second window showing the list of all titles owned by the target ruler and from there you can select the one that you are interested in.

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Finally, if you are Excommunicated, the Issue Declaration of Repentance decision has been revamped so that it is no longer simply a cash payment.

Much like when requesting a coronation, the Pope will now pick one out of several possible demands for the player to fulfill in exchange for the lifting of his excommunication. Requests can range from a show of contrition causing Prestige loss, to changing your realm laws, to give one of your sons to the Church.


Also, bonus Cardinal clothes, pre and post 1245:

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Does county of Rome have something special like theodosian walls in Constantinople?

Something like a repairable and upgradable Aurelian Walls to bring them up to snuff with the Theodosian Walls would make switching your capital to Rome less of a downgrade.
 
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From what I can tell, the official title of the Bön Religious Head might be "Menri Trizin"?

They don't have a massive online presence, but I've found a couple of articles relating to the death last year of Bön's religious head, and subsequent enthronement of his successor. Both times, they're referred to as the "Menri Trizin" - Possibly "Kyabje/Gyalwa Menri Trizin".
I'd post links but I'm fairly new here and don't know the rules vis-à-vis external links.

A big problem with Bön seems to be that it's so heavily syncretized with Tibetan Buddhism. Even "Lopön", which seems the most applicable title for everyday Bön religious leaders, is a Tibetan Buddhist loanword and as much as I'd love the Dalai Lama to be in-game, shoehorning the title onto the head of a different religion, albeit an oftentimes hard to distinguish one, seems like a bad way to do it.

Edit: Links!

Article on the previous religious head, 33rd Menri Trizin (Hasn't been updated with his passing yet)

Eulogy of above

Enthronement of his successor, the 34th Menri Trizin
That sounds really cool. And seems to be what they already use for themselves.
 
But why? He's not a god, he's a high priest.
Karlingid was pointing out that if you were to name the high priest of the reformed slavic faith "Perun" (the thunder god of the slavic pantheon) you might as well do the same with the hellenics and call their high priest by their thunder god's name. This was to showcase the absurdity of the suggested idea.
 
Karlingid was pointing out that if you were to name the high priest of the reformed slavic faith "Perun" (the thunder god of the slavic pantheon) you might as well do the same with the hellenics and call their high priest by their thunder god's name. This was to showcase the absurdity of the suggested idea.
I think the idea was to use something like "Perun's Voice" as a slavic high priest title. Going with "Odin's Hand" or "Zeus's Chorus" might be interesting. I think "Pontifex Maximus" and "Fylkir" are better, but a reference to a god is not beyond the pale.
 
Me too. I also see the Late era for graphics has been changed to 1245 instead of 1200. @Silfae , What about the other "graphical eras" (Early and Middle)? Did they change too?



1. I wish we could see if the other Rus' realms are Kingdom tier now, or still Duchies.

3. I think that might be the Coat of Arms of Styria.
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Zhis is the modern CoA of Styria tough, conservative prude christians chanched it in during Austrias 1. republic. Before that it lokked like this:
 

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Only if the Pontifex Maximus is renamed Jupiter or Zeus, the Fylkir to be Odin, etc
In fact, Perun is not High God for slavic. The position of Perun is similar to Thor or Mars, not Odin or Zeus.
The another reason I suggest perun is that dev team said High God can be changed by doctrinces' choices. In DD 102 "About the dead religion", the writter made an example. If you choose doctrine of sea in hellenic reformation, hellenic high god would became Poseidon. But the name of religion head is static. And the name wouldn't change by different choices of doctrines. So the name should have a large range of application.
I suggest Perun because Perun is more familiar in CK2 world with "axe of perun" and "warriors of Perun", and Perun is an affirmative and popular god.
Or maybe they could traslate "religious" and "leader" into slavic. And then they make a combination of these words as a universal slavic religion head's name.
Perhaps, Paradox have thier own better plan for these names.
 
好希望道教也可以改革啊,或者新增汉传佛教,把它和印度佛教区别开来,同时我反对把苯教的宗教领袖称为达赖喇叭
I'm not really happy with the way Daoism is set up either, so I'm working on a mod that replaces it with "Chinese" or "Sinic" religion, with special traits for Daoist, Buddhist and Confucian study. I'm also setting up a Chinese Feudal government for Han, Khitan and Jurchen.
 
Or maybe they could traslate "religious" and "leader" into slavic. And then they make a combination of these words as a universal slavic religion head's name.
I don't think there's a slavic word for religion though. There is only one for faith.
Anyway High Volhv sounds the best so far. Volhv is what a slavic priest was actually called, so it only makes sense that if they choose a single head they call him the High Volhv.
 
Anyway High Volhv sounds the best so far. Volhv is what a slavic priest was actually called, so it only makes sense that if they choose a single head they call him the High Volhv.
Slavs had two types of priests - Volhv (similar to shamans) and Zherca (boh. Žrec; pol. Żerca; similar to druids). In west lands (eg. Polabian Slavs) higher position had Zhercas, in east lands (eg. today Balerussia) higher position had Volhvs.
 
Zhis is the modern CoA of Styria tough, conservative prude christians chanched it in during Austrias 1. republic. Before that it lokked like this:
...It looks like all they did was move the crown and change the color of the claws. What was the part the "prudes" found offense with?
 
I don't think there's a slavic word for religion though. There is only one for faith.
Anyway High Volhv sounds the best so far. Volhv is what a slavic priest was actually called, so it only makes sense that if they choose a single head they call him the High Volhv.

I'd make it Veliky Volhv to make it an all Slavic name, though I'm not sure whether veliky is anachronistic or not. If anyone knows better do let me know.

I'm planning to make a minimod that fixes all the questionable names for religious leaders in case they make it into the release version.
 
I'd make it Veliky Volhv to make it an all Slavic name, though I'm not sure whether veliky is anachronistic or not. If anyone knows better do let me know.
Given that First Valida and Grand Saltigue are existing names, High Volhv seems like the logical continuation.
 
Given that First Valida and Grand Saltigue are existing names, High Volhv seems like the logical continuation.

I'd translate "first" and "grand" too.
 
I'd translate "first" and "grand" too.
Hard for Baltic and African, which are not languages but groups of languages. Which translation of "grand" do you pick?
 
Hard for Baltic and African, which are not languages but groups of languages. Which translation of "grand" do you pick?
The same they took "Valida" and "Saltigue" from?
Saltigue is from serer. What's serer word for "grand"?
 
Can't say for other Slavic languages, but in modern Russian, I think, жрец means a pagan priest in general, while волхв means specifically a Slavic one.
I try based on olter textes ;) We know about evolution of language, so modern terminology can be misleading.
Old-slavic žьrti mean "the sacrifice". "Zherca" is based on this, and literally mean a "the sacrificer". Etymology of "Volkhv" isn't until the end is clear (can be based on nordic volva, finnish velho or have own, slavic source).
 
The same they took "Valida" and "Saltigue" from?
Saltigue is from serer. What's serer word for "grand"?
...Good point, actually.