Crusader Kings III: Chapter IV

[sreckom92]

To all who are concerned with performance issues:
I heartily recommend you install one the mods that add entire Asia. You can judge the performance yourself, as the number of new provinces/characters in these mods is surely not much less than what the DLC will add. Plus, it is more than likely that Paradox will optimize the game, so you can expect the performance to be even better than in mods.
In my experience, the game runs fine with all of Asia.

 

[Mangi Qahan]

I think it is based on this late Tang era fresco in Dunhuang:

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Due to the ambiguity of the mural, I think the clothing on the mural should refer to this kind of

Similarities can also be seen in some other clearer murals

 

[gurufabbes]

I don't mean to downplay any concerns over AI behavior, but I play this game specifically for alt-history scenarios. I don't want everything to unfold exactly as it did in history. So if that happened every few games, I wouldn't be bothered. It'd be something to look into if it was happening a lot, though.

In a historical simulation game, my expectation is and has never been to get an exact historical outcome.

But I would expect that you would end up with a plausible, historically consistent outcome, which I don't think we may end up with here.

I appreciate that in CK2 paradox put a number of blocks on Indian kingdoms to stop dominations and expansions between religious groups, but that required a lot of fixes if I recall.

For all intents and purposes, Europe and China should be having completely separate games, leaving the question: why have them in the same one at all?

 

[Nevars]

>Decision to change duchy capital.
>SEA plan to add.

This is just perfect.

 

[Mangi Qahan]

I think it is based on this late Tang era fresco in Dunhuang:

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One obvious difference is that the armor of the Tang Dynasty did not have a row of buttons on the chest, but was fastened with a belt and a chest strap.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

There is so much misunderstanding of history in this comment. The region interacted with each other via the steppes and the Mongol empire. If you want to add the Mongols well then you need to have China in it at some point.

I actually want to play characters in the Champa region, a region I only recently discovered while looking up possible expansion options to the game recently…

The “South Vietnam” area in this time period was home to seafaring trading cities (or states) that mostly managed to maintain their independence from all the empires nearby. After becoming independent from the Chinese empire in the 3rd century AD, the land wasn’t completely absorbed into the Vietnamese empire until the 1700s.

Neither the Khmer or China or the Mongols or Dai Viet, none succeeded in conquering the southern coast in this time period, like the Phoenicians of the Bronze Age, or the Venetians and Genoese in the CK3 game time frame in the Mediterranean, the Champas persisted. These people on the corner of the fringe of the continent somehow managed to break free and keep themselves from being integrated into their larger neighbors for centuries longer than this game’s entire time frame (longer even than the Eastern Roman Empire managed to exist).

Tldr: I want to know more.

 

[gurufabbes]

China's lack of foreign exchanges during the Middle Ages was actually an illusion, or stereotype, brought to everyone by the modern Qing Dynasty.
The Tang Dynasty was the most open dynasty, not only because the rulers of the Tang Dynasty had Xianbei blood (China's northern nomadic people), but also because of their open mind. There were a large number of Arabs in Chang'an during the Tang Dynasty, and Nestorianism was also introduced to the Western Regions at this time.
Although the Song Dynasty turned conservative due to the weakening of its military power, this conservatism was only the government's unwillingness to actively expand outward, but in fact local officials and private merchants were still actively open to the outside world. At this time, the open exchanges were fully turned to the sea, which is the famous "Maritime Silk Road". There were also a large number of Arabs living along the coast, and the "Pu surname" maritime merchant group was born. During the Northern Song Dynasty, a group of Jewish merchants entered China from Central Asia along the Silk Road, paid tribute to the Song court with Western cloth, and were allowed to settle in Bianliang. After the Ming Dynasty missionary Matteo Ricci came to China, he came into contact with the descendants of the Kaifeng Jews, Ai Tian, and found that they still preserved the Hebrew Pentateuch.

Of course, I say this not to refute you, but to provide you with some reference. China was not closed during the Middle Ages.

I never claimed it was closed, and the flow of Christian missionaries go back a long time as well. The silk roads were connecting Europe and China since Roman times.

That however isn't a reason to add China to Imperator Rome.
For all intents and purposes, I don't see a reason to add them here. I do suppose converters for megacampaigns could just have the option to just wipe asia and keep it at the EU4 borders I guess, now that I think about it.

I hope the honoured keeper of the converters may keep this in mind.

 

[tanktop tiger]

Perfect! Now you can be the puppet hegemon, with several puppet empire-tier vassals, who in turn have puppet kings, all under a single conquering duke wielding as much centralized power as possible—one who could overthrow the world. Perfect.

 

[yaoxinbingkuang]

The issue is a lot of Westerners have very little understanding of China during the middle ages beyond the Mongols Yuan dynasty.

Actually, there is, but the information was misidentified during the process of information transmission.
In the Middle Ages, Western Europeans and the Middle East often mistook the Chinese for the Khitans, and mistook the Chinese dynasty for the Khitan dynasty (although the Khitan was indeed one of them). To this day, the word "China" in Russian is the transliteration of "Khitan". At the same time, the bravery and fighting skills of the Khitan cavalry also made Europeans at that time mistake China for a steppe empire.
This is an interesting misunderstanding, but misunderstanding is actually a kind of communication, right?

 

[sreckom92]

Frankly, I don't trust that there will be a good representation of China and Asia when gameplay and mechanics in so much of the present map is still undercooked and unbalanced. Looks like I'll be sticking with CK2 for a long while yet.

No one is properly represented in this game. We only have a hint of proper historical representation of medieval realms.
Which is fine. This is after all a roleplaying strategy game, not a hardcore simulator.
China needs to be unique, with some mechanics and fluff. That's it.

 

[luanmameili[LM]]

Hegemony​

To properly represent the power and influence of China in this period, we're introducing a new tier of title above an empire: the Hegemony. This new title tier allows for further granular representation of the division of power within large-scale realms.

Somehow similar to V3? Currently India and HRE belongs to this tier in V3, maybe this will also be added in CK3?

 

[Koppel235]

Question: will khan of the steppes have flavor for the Turks and the Magyars? or is it just Mongols! the turkic khanates were pretty important considering the whole seljuk empire and the various islamic indian empires.

From the Steam description it seems only Mongols will receive flavor,which is disapointing.

 

[Delterius]

How did you know what my first play through was going to be? And I seriously hope the devs add this as an achievement!

sail west, young-old vikingman and reach india (its gonna work I promise)

 

[IIXBatmanXII]

Will the game allow the Chinese emperor to go on a pilgrimage to India or the Japanese Emperor to attend the Chinese emperor's grand wedding?

These never happened in real history, and I want the game to block these a-historical events from happening.

It will break the immersion

From my understanding, shouldn’t Japan have a very isolationist culture?

Will the game allow the Chinese emperor to go on a pilgrimage to India or the Japanese Emperor to attend the Chinese emperor's grand wedding?

These never happened in real history, and I want the game to block these a-historical events from happening.

It will break the immersion

While to my understanding the Japanese were and should be very isolationist during this period, it should remain possible for players to still do these things, though at a cost for pushing against the flow, as they can in much of the game.

 

[vandevere]

In a historical simulation game, my expectation is and has never been to get an exact historical outcome.

But I would expect that you would end up with a plausible, historically consistent outcome, which I don't think we may end up with here.

I appreciate that in CK2 paradox put a number of blocks on Indian kingdoms to stop dominations and expansions between religious groups, but that required a lot of fixes if I recall.

For all intents and purposes, Europe and China should be having completely separate games, leaving the question: why have them in the same one at all?

One way to deal with it is to make a Game Rule, so if you don't want China, and Asia, you can toggle it off. Also, Asian players should be able to do the same in reverse, If they want, they should be able to toggle Europe off...

 

[Scyobi_Empire]

. We're completing our map of the medieval world by extending its scope across all of Asia. This massive expansion brings new gameplay, unique governments, and entirely different perspectives on life in the medieval era.

please tell me that there's an option to disable part of the map as realistically when is England going to interact with China, Korea, Japan, the Phillipines and also for performance reasons as when RtP "added" new "rulers" there was a noticable performance hit a few years after game start due to the landless adventuerers

my worry is that if there are no changed to the internals of the game especially with the perofrmance impact more AI charaters has on the game, the even more landless rulers, the additional barons, kings and emperors would reduce performance massively

 

[vandevere]

Downloading the DLC right now. First order of the day will be to explore!

 

[gurufabbes]

One way to deal with it is to make a Game Rule, so if you don't want China, and Asia, you can toggle it off. Also, Asian players should be able to do the same in reverse, If they want, they should be able to toggle Europe off...

I mean I suppose so.

 

[luanmameili[LM]]

Nevermind Cathay, how far into SEA are we going? Timor? Moluccas? Papua?

Maybe the Wallace's Line?

 

[SilentReflection]

The mad lads are actually doing it, we're getting Eastern Asia in the game!

If they can fix the lag that comes with too many characters existing, I am looking forward to this.