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Dev Diary #101 - Saints and Ancestors

Hello there! Another week, another Dev Diary!


This week we are going to take a look at the Saints, their potential Pagan counterparts, and how they will work in Holy Fury.


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After the death of a pious Christian character, there is a chance for the Pope/Patriarch/local bishop to decide to beatify them. This is how they’re shown to be truly pious Christians. There will be an announcement sent out to the dynasty as well as the ones in the realm of the character. A beatified character gets a special trait, and a chance to later on be canonized.


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If they do indeed go on to become Saints, another announcement message will be sent out to all Christians of the same faith, as well as their dynasty members. The character in question will be given a special nickname, a miracle will be associated with him/her (this is mostly for flavour) and they will be given a special bloodline. Note, any Christian with a religious head can become canonized, not only Catholics.


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The Saint will have their burial site made public, usually in their capital or another nearby province in the form of a Province Modifier. This gives a permanent benefit for whoever holds the Burial Site, as well as some new flavor events that might happen. Any church holdings in the province will be able to create a small shrine to the local Saint. As well, if any raiders were to drop by the province, they might loot and ruin the burial site for some extra gold and prestige.


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A new icon and menu have been added to the religion screen for Christians, where they can check all the Saints that have been created for their faith throughout the game. We figured it would be a handy way of keeping track of everything.


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For those enjoying pilgrimages and traveling, we have added a new option and event chain to travel to a Saint’s burial site. It will find 4 relevant burial sites of Saints created throughout the game. If there isn’t 4 existing in the game yet, there will be up to 3 placeholders filling those spots. Hopefully it will be an interesting change of pace from the regular pilgrimages.


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If the Catholics are led by a particularly terrible Pope, you might even see the cases of “Impious Saints” as we call them. In the worst case scenarios, this can end up with all of Catholicism embroiled in a massive war, fighting for the piety of the Holy See. The impious Saint in question will get a Bloodline as well, but it doesn’t quite bring as many benefits as most other bloodlines do.


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For those of you who don’t care particularly much about Catholics, or Christians in general, we have added a new Reformation doctrine where one can take on the benefits of Saints into your pagan faith. Instead of caring about such silly things as “Piety”, “Humbleness” or other supposed positive traits, the Venerated Ancestors will be based on things your religion cares about. So if you reform your religion to be a warlike one, one is more likely to become a Venerated Ancestor if you do things that are warlike.


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For those of you preferring to lead religions yourself, you will occasionally be given the choice of people the religion will venerate as a worthy ancestor. The dynasty of the character in question will, of course, be very appreciative of their family member being venerated as an Ancestor.

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For the characters receiving that honor, there is a whole slew of new special bloodlines attached to them, as well some special nicknames.


Hopefully you enjoyed this little peek into the upcoming feature for CK2, and we are excited to hear your thoughts on it. Until next time!
 
I've been waiting for something like this for awhile!
Never thought I'd see it implemented.
My only further request is that a kingdom be able to set a "Patron Saint".
England had St. George
Scotland had St. Andrew
Obviously Ireland had St. Patrick

I'm sure there were others but those are the first to come to mind.
Still GREAT work and thank you!
 
I've been waiting for something like this for awhile!
Never thought I'd see it implemented.
My only further request is that a kingdom be able to set a "Patron Saint".
England had St. George
Scotland had St. Andrew
Obviously Ireland had St. Patrick

I'm sure there were others but those are the first to come to mind.
Still GREAT work and thank you!
And Spain/Castile would get St James the Moorslayer
 
Hopefully we get many more bishop saints than nobles, as this is the case in the actual Church of this time.
 
@Snow Crystal It's ironic that the first thing in today's DD is Matilda, since yesterday I was this close to "nag" you for her picture in the new portrait pack. Thank you for fulfilling my unexpressed request.

Does having many saints has any impact on MA?
 
I was under the impression that some would be agantic, some enatic but some would be both.
This may have changed from when they first announced it, but this is directly from the DD about Bloodlines:
That very same superstition, combined with the prejudices that were common in those times, causes Bloodlines to be either Agnatic or Enatic - to breed Bloodlines into your dynasty will require you to get clever, and plan ahead if you want more than one line to run within your direct line of heirs. If a Bloodline is agnatic, for example, a man will still pass it to his daughters - but they will not pass it on to their children, that will be exclusively reserved for his sons.
 
Could it be possible for pagans with high prestige or piety to fabricate their ancestry back to to gods (Ynglings, Skjoldungs and ect for exsample) be something to consider?
Very much seconded.
 
I was under the impression that some would be agantic, some enatic but some would be both.

A bloodline can script-wise be both, but none of the ones introduced in HF will be, as far as I know. It's pretty much because some generations down the line, everyone and their dog suddenly got the bloodline, if you let everyone inherit it.
 
Will impious saints and wars for the head of the religion (war for the Holy See) be limited to Catholics? Can it happen for other Christians and pagans?
 
A bloodline can script-wise be both, but none of the ones introduced in HF will be, as far as I know. It's pretty much because some generations down the line, everyone and their dog suddenly got the bloodline, if you let everyone inherit it.
Will Bloodlines transfer Agnatically or can a woman in a matrilineal marriage pass them on? In that case would the man transfer his if he had one?