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EU4 - Development Diary - 18th of June 2019

Hello and good morning. Today we will finally unveil our long-anticipated changes to the map and political setup of the Balkans, as well as taking a look at Austria. This will be our final dev diary on map changes for the European update.

As befits the fragmented nature of the Balkans, today’s dev diary will be divided into three parts, each written by a member of the Content Design team who personally worked on each region.

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I’ll begin with my own work on Greece and Bulgaria. You’ll notice that province density has noticeably increased, but rest assured we have taken care to avoid adding a net development boost to the Ottomans. We feel that their current level of development makes them a sufficiently powerful force, and any further advantages would harm the experience for players in their vicinity.

We’ve split the Bulgaria area in two, with most of Bulgaria remaining in “Bulgaria” but with the east in the new Silistria area. Bulgaria in total has gained 3 new provinces: Tolcu, split from Silistre, allows for a more accurate Ottoman-Moldavian border. Tirnovo, once a major cultural, military, and economic center for the Bulgarian Empire, declined under Ottoman rule but remained a thorn in the side of the Turks as it was a hotbed for Bulgarian resistance. Finally, Kyustendil/Kostendil was the center of an Ottoman sanjak and an exploitable mining site.

Thrace and Macedonia have also been updated with new provinces. Edirne has lost its access to the sea to the new province of Gelibolu/Gallipoli, home to a mighty fortress and naval arsenal. Parts of the former Edirne have also been added to the new Gumulcine province. Lastly, Selanik is now confined to the area around the city of Thessaloniki, as Siroz now occupies the outer reaches.

Moving down into Greece proper, a new nation has appeared while another is notable by its absence. Epirus, with its capital in the new province of Arta, is ruled by the Tocco dynasty who for whatever reason were previously represented as the rulers of the Venetian vassal-state of Corfu. Corfu no longer exists in 1444, but it retains its core on the island. Epirus also rules the island of Cephalonia, which has been separated from the Corfu province and gives Epirus the ability to produce wine. Fans of Byzantium will be pleased to hear that they now possess an additional province at the start of the game, based around the historic city of Corinth. And in the Aegean Sea, Lesbos has been split from Scio - Lesbos has a strait connection to Biga while Scio connects to Sugla.

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I'm @Caligula Caesar, and I'm here to tell you about our changes to Austria. Now, some of you may be aware that there is a good case for splitting Austria in three at the start of the game and requiring them to unify their territories. However, as a team we elected NOT to do this. Our reasoning is simple: For an enjoyable and challenging game on continental Europe, it is necessary for there to be a strong Austria. As Austria is already one of the more vulnerable superpowers in the early game, making their starting position significantly weaker by reducing their directly held territories by 2/3 would simply not make a better game experience.

We felt that Austria's starting development was fine as it was, but its province density was not quite at the level we wanted, so we added some new provinces by splitting existing provinces' development. As we have already shown, Tirol was split between Inntal and Etschtal and South Tirol became Trent, now an independent tag; also, some impassable mountains were added between Tirol and Venetia. Moving east, we split Kärnten in two between Oberkärnten/Villach and Unterkärnten/Klagenfurt. In the north, Linz's province (now known as Oberenns) was reshaped significantly and room was made for Traungau (with the significant ironworking town of Steyr as its capital) to the south of it. Wien province, too, has been split, with Wienerwald/Sankt Pölten taking its place to the west.

Finally, in the south, we added the Slovene culture. This culture is present in Görz, Krain and Celje. The last of those is owned by a new tag, the Counts of Cilli - known by their German name as its rulers were the German von Cilli family (the tag itself retains Slovene culture, however, and has some dynamic province names for surrounding areas).

Now on to @Ofaloaf 's work on the Western Balkans:

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This work owes a tremendous amount to @otaats and his suggestions in Serbia & friends, which (in a truncated form) served as an inspiration. I also want to give a shoutout to @Wokeg, whose enthusiasm for the region and its history has been an excellent inspiration and motivation.

Most of the mapwork simply provides greater provincial fidelity, but there are some significant changes and additions. Starting with the smaller stuff, Venetian holdings along the Adriatic coast are better defined, with old Dalmatian province now split between Zara and Spalato and Cattaro now spun off from the province of Zeta. Albania also gets a second province, Krüje, which was one of the strongholds of the Albanian ruler Skanderbeg. Fortified and mountainous, Krüje should be a real pain to crack early in the game.

One of the most major additions to the region is the inclusion of Herzegovina. It's a relatively new state in 1444, being largely the creation of Stjepan Vukčić, who inherited those lands in 1435. Stjepan was an incredibly ambitious nobleman who took on the title of herceg (borrowed from German herzog) and ruled a portion of the Kingdom of Bosnia as a de facto independent realm called the Duchy of Saint Sava, which is the name its contemporaries knew it as. While Stjepan had the chops for independent rule, his sons weren't quite as canny, and in 1483 the realm was conquered by advancing Ottoman forces. However, Stjepan's title, herceg, lived on in the Ottoman name for the territory, and this eventually became the name Herzegovina, which is what we know the area now as and, for the sake of familiarity, the name which the realm (and its capital province) is called in-game.

You may have also noticed that Croatia is now present on the map. It starts in a union under Hungary, and depending on Hungarian fortunes may now either break away in one fell swoop or be more firmly incorporated into the Crown of St. Stephen. While the inclusion of Croatia does provide some interesting opportunities for Hungarian expansion or wresting parts of the Hungarian domain away from Budapest, the inclusion of Croatia as a separate entity has called for a little historical fudging. Rule of Croatia and Slavonia was split in 1444, although the two entities were ruled by Croatian brothers at the time of the Grand Campaign, and the titles would be merged together into a united Banate in 1476. To prevent Hungarian diplomatic relations from being eaten up by subjects and give it a slightly more powerful vassal to keep in check, Croatia here is unified slightly early.

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Thank you all for reading this and our other map-based dev diaries, it’s been a pleasure to present our work to you and to read your feedback and ideas. Next week we will take a look at some of the new mission trees coming to this region - most likely Austria, one of the Balkan minors, and something you might not expect. We’ll also talk a little about the Hungarian succession. Until then, have a great week!
 
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Croatia was incorporated into the country. Nice "historical accuracy" Paradox. More like fantasy history
There was a post a about this, and in all sources there were two kingdoms united under the king of hungary but had at times different results as to who was elected king by the nobles. To me it seems they were two kingdoms united very closely but a personal union probably works best.

I gathered most from this thread though.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...n-crown-flavour-for-croatia-slavonia.1146886/

Indeed, it's crazy. What's even more crazy is that I point out here that Bosnia and Serbia were to independent, different kingdoms. With different religion, different language, and different alphabet and still some people just write "it's the same!111!" without even reading my posts. It's hilarious.

I get some dumb, low IQ reply "what will the bosnian culture mean?" "bosniak muslim?!" well, considering that this game begins before Bosnia was invaded by the ottomans, it should just be Bosnian, bosnian church, catholic state religion, as it was. The catholics of Bosnia remained catholic, or fled the kingdom when the ottomans arrived. There are even hungarians with bosnian catholic roots who fled during the ottoman invasion but who live in Pecs, Hungary today.

The followers of the heretic bosnian church were the ones that converted to Islam, and who make up for the bosnian muslims today.

Catholicism is still a big part of Bosnia and bosnian culture today, and a big part of the bosnian legacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraljeva_Sutjeska_Franciscan_Monastery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciscan_Province_of_Bosna_Srebrena

It doesn't matter though, I'm leaving this topic. It's pointless to discuss with a wall.

They weren't a different language. That's what people are pointing out. Language is usually the closest thing people can relate culture to as its one of the more defining features.

Bosnian doesn't exist as a language in linguistic terms only in the government of Bosnia Herzegovina.
 
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I hope Venice's cores on the Adriatic are removed. If they've got Cattaro they don't really need a core on Zeta. It's hard enough to play as Serbia or Bosnia; if the Venetians have a core on Zeta then they'll desire your land like there's no tomorrow.

Also, this is another huge buff for the Ottomans - Serbia only gains one province (but loses access to the sea), Bosnia now has to contend with an enemy right on their border, and Wallachia didn't get any new provinces at all, not to mention the fact that Croatia can probably break away quite easily from Hungary and ruin the Hungarians' day. I get that the Ottomans are supposed to be easy for new players and very powerful as a result, but if this map is final, then I feel like the Ottoman units need a slight nerf, no? There's not really a reason they should have this stupid amount of territory compared to their neighbors, start with 7-8 forts, and have units that do twice the amount of damage Eastern tech units do. One could argue that this makes coalitions against the Ottomans more likely, but I doubt it. By my count they have five extra provinces, not to mention the fact that Epirus and Byzantium will be easily gobbled up, and with their three provinces extra total (Cephalonia, Arta, and Corinth), that means the Ottomans will essentially have eight extra provinces by 1450 compared to what they normally have now in 1450 with just the war with the Byzantines.
 
Don't you guys love when we start history debates in this threads? I personally learn a lot, and it also kind of helps as feedback for the game.
Yes, it’s why I keep reading the DD comments
 
There was a post a about this, and in all sources there were two kingdoms united under the king of hungary but had at times different results as to who was elected king by the nobles. To me it seems they were two kingdoms united very closely but a personal union probably works best.

I gathered most from this thread though.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...n-crown-flavour-for-croatia-slavonia.1146886/



They weren't a different language. That's what people are pointing out. Language is usually the closest thing people can relate culture to as its one of the more defining features.

Bosnian doesn't exist as a language in linguistic terms only in the government of Bosnia Herzegovina.


Except it wasn't. They were more autonomous, I will give you that, but they weren't an independent entity. A
 
With the summer holidays coming up we won't get to mechanics for a little while. We've got a huge amount to talk about in that regard but you'll need to be patient for a while longer.

Which is a shame for me too because there's a lot of content I'd like to talk about that's strongly tied to these mechanics! There's a reason why I haven't said much about Bohemia, Switzerland, or the Pope yet ;)
hey hey, so there is nothing about poland, they stay just with free patch content surrounded by better-kept neighbours ? :/
 
What is missing from the Balkans?
1 : Byzantine vassal on the island of lesbos
2 : Lovech independent. The Turkish invasion in the middle of the 14th century did not pass the town, but the Hisarya fortress was captured last of all, in 1446
These are two countries that can make the game more interesting.

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Will Venice still have a core on Zeta? With them now holding Adriatic coastline I don't know of a historical reason to keep the core. There probably is one, but it always leads to Venice invading Serbia and Conquering Bosnia(which is a Serbian ally in most games). Even if there is historical reason for the core it would be better to not provide Venetian AI the smart idea to conquer inland Balkan areas.
 

The problem with this map is that Turnovo is no longer in the Turnovo province and Pleven is not in the Pleven province. Given how close Pleven (Niglobu) is to Lovech, it might make for a better solution to rename that province and rename the other two provinces.
 
That's what I saw as well, we are getting Slovene culture, but only in Slovenia-proper which brings up the question, was Carinthia still Slavic in 1450? For example the "Historical Dictionary of Slovenia" by Plut-Pregelj, Kranjc, Lazarević, and Rogel state that only b y the mid 19th century the main city of Klagenfurt was Germanized.
Agreed. Carinthia was a huge historical centre of Slovene culture, forming the nucleus of the Duchy of Carantania in the early medieval period, and still remained majority-Slavic into the 17th century. Klagenfurt (or Celovec in Slovenian) was even the site of the traditional coronation ceremony of the Dukes of Carantania and if I remember correctly the Carinthians continued that legacy. Furthermore, Slovene states still held large amounts of influence over the area - i.e. the County of Cilli through their Ortenburg holdings near Villach (Beljak in Slovenian)- well into the 15th century. So the Slovenes should definitely have a presence in Carinthia at the 1444 start.
 
I am pretty disappointed that Paradox is ignoring anyone who asks about the culture in Macedonia. The region of Vardar Macedonia was ethnic Bulgarian land long before the Serbs conquered it in 1334, then it was conquered by the Turks in 1389. So suddenly everyone became Serbs after they briefly controlled the area for LESS THAN 100 YEARS, as opposed to Bulgaria who controlled it for several centuries? Did you forget Ohrid was literally the cultural centre of the Bulgarian Empire? And then during Ottoman times people magically became Bulgarians again or what? It does not make sense at all. The culture should just be Bulgarian. You can't keep ignoring this Paradox, too many people have already complained about it, yet you ignore it? Why? Your view on history is very Serbocentric.
 
I really dig these changes... Croatia is finally in a Personal union, Yay!. Thank You for the changes and hopefully the missions for the balkans also get attention.
A question regarding Croatia ,Did you fix the Troop outfit color? (I noticed that the country color doesnt match the troops color during my last playthrough).
(If I could suggest... Changing the color of Croatia from that light-purpleish color to something more blue. (just personal taste)

Again, You are doing an amazing job and I welcome any attention Eastern Europe can get. This DLC will be an instant buy for me.

Would be great if It was possible to select the Diplomatic Mapmode color of the nation you chose to play as. (as , I think , most of us spend time in that mapmode the most (just a suggestion))
 
I really dig these changes... Croatia is finally in a Personal union, Yay!. Thank You for the changes and hopefully the missions for the balkans also get attention.
A question regarding Croatia ,Did you fix the Troop outfit color? (I noticed that the country color doesnt match the troops color during my last playthrough).
(If I could suggest... Changing the color of Croatia from that light-purpleish color to something more blue. (just personal taste)

Again, You are doing an amazing job and I welcome any attention Eastern Europe can get. This DLC will be an instant buy for me.

Would be great if It was possible to select the Diplomatic Mapmode color of the nation you chose to play as. (as , I think , most of us spend time in that mapmode the most (just a suggestion))

Few remember the puke green color of Croatia during the Old days.
 
I don't write often on this forum, in fact, this is my first appearance here. I just wanted them to add bosnian culture and I explained why it should be added. Why it turned out to be a flame-war, well, read for yourself. If I get a reply in a bad manner, be sure I won't show any good manners either. Especially if my posts intentions weren't at all provocative. Then this "stormfront-serbian" shows up with an aggressive way of lying. I couldn't just sit and watch. He has no sources to his claims, I gave him a good, non-biased objective source on my claims. Game over.


They will add Bosnian culture just as the Slovene one, because it's already in CK2 and exists as exportable culture in EU4.

It took years of posting on the forums, but we finally got em'.
 
Silesia is terrible. What is presented to us is below any historical accuracy
in 1444 there could be as many as 6 duchies, possible to be played.2 possible to be released. But in the name of balance, it would be possible to release 4 duchies. And they would be Cieszyn, Opole, Raciborz, Glogow

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please make Selanik a Jewish majority province as per history. EU4 needs to address Jewish minorities generally and their influence on trade and commerce and stability (pogroms?) but to ignore a historically Jewish city in Greece is just willfully negligent
 
You can't keep ignoring this Paradox, too many people have already complained about it, yet you ignore it?
You must be new here. Welcome to the Paradox Forums :cool: