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EU4 - Development Diary - 18th of June 2019

Hello and good morning. Today we will finally unveil our long-anticipated changes to the map and political setup of the Balkans, as well as taking a look at Austria. This will be our final dev diary on map changes for the European update.

As befits the fragmented nature of the Balkans, today’s dev diary will be divided into three parts, each written by a member of the Content Design team who personally worked on each region.

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I’ll begin with my own work on Greece and Bulgaria. You’ll notice that province density has noticeably increased, but rest assured we have taken care to avoid adding a net development boost to the Ottomans. We feel that their current level of development makes them a sufficiently powerful force, and any further advantages would harm the experience for players in their vicinity.

We’ve split the Bulgaria area in two, with most of Bulgaria remaining in “Bulgaria” but with the east in the new Silistria area. Bulgaria in total has gained 3 new provinces: Tolcu, split from Silistre, allows for a more accurate Ottoman-Moldavian border. Tirnovo, once a major cultural, military, and economic center for the Bulgarian Empire, declined under Ottoman rule but remained a thorn in the side of the Turks as it was a hotbed for Bulgarian resistance. Finally, Kyustendil/Kostendil was the center of an Ottoman sanjak and an exploitable mining site.

Thrace and Macedonia have also been updated with new provinces. Edirne has lost its access to the sea to the new province of Gelibolu/Gallipoli, home to a mighty fortress and naval arsenal. Parts of the former Edirne have also been added to the new Gumulcine province. Lastly, Selanik is now confined to the area around the city of Thessaloniki, as Siroz now occupies the outer reaches.

Moving down into Greece proper, a new nation has appeared while another is notable by its absence. Epirus, with its capital in the new province of Arta, is ruled by the Tocco dynasty who for whatever reason were previously represented as the rulers of the Venetian vassal-state of Corfu. Corfu no longer exists in 1444, but it retains its core on the island. Epirus also rules the island of Cephalonia, which has been separated from the Corfu province and gives Epirus the ability to produce wine. Fans of Byzantium will be pleased to hear that they now possess an additional province at the start of the game, based around the historic city of Corinth. And in the Aegean Sea, Lesbos has been split from Scio - Lesbos has a strait connection to Biga while Scio connects to Sugla.

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I'm @Caligula Caesar, and I'm here to tell you about our changes to Austria. Now, some of you may be aware that there is a good case for splitting Austria in three at the start of the game and requiring them to unify their territories. However, as a team we elected NOT to do this. Our reasoning is simple: For an enjoyable and challenging game on continental Europe, it is necessary for there to be a strong Austria. As Austria is already one of the more vulnerable superpowers in the early game, making their starting position significantly weaker by reducing their directly held territories by 2/3 would simply not make a better game experience.

We felt that Austria's starting development was fine as it was, but its province density was not quite at the level we wanted, so we added some new provinces by splitting existing provinces' development. As we have already shown, Tirol was split between Inntal and Etschtal and South Tirol became Trent, now an independent tag; also, some impassable mountains were added between Tirol and Venetia. Moving east, we split Kärnten in two between Oberkärnten/Villach and Unterkärnten/Klagenfurt. In the north, Linz's province (now known as Oberenns) was reshaped significantly and room was made for Traungau (with the significant ironworking town of Steyr as its capital) to the south of it. Wien province, too, has been split, with Wienerwald/Sankt Pölten taking its place to the west.

Finally, in the south, we added the Slovene culture. This culture is present in Görz, Krain and Celje. The last of those is owned by a new tag, the Counts of Cilli - known by their German name as its rulers were the German von Cilli family (the tag itself retains Slovene culture, however, and has some dynamic province names for surrounding areas).

Now on to @Ofaloaf 's work on the Western Balkans:

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This work owes a tremendous amount to @otaats and his suggestions in Serbia & friends, which (in a truncated form) served as an inspiration. I also want to give a shoutout to @Wokeg, whose enthusiasm for the region and its history has been an excellent inspiration and motivation.

Most of the mapwork simply provides greater provincial fidelity, but there are some significant changes and additions. Starting with the smaller stuff, Venetian holdings along the Adriatic coast are better defined, with old Dalmatian province now split between Zara and Spalato and Cattaro now spun off from the province of Zeta. Albania also gets a second province, Krüje, which was one of the strongholds of the Albanian ruler Skanderbeg. Fortified and mountainous, Krüje should be a real pain to crack early in the game.

One of the most major additions to the region is the inclusion of Herzegovina. It's a relatively new state in 1444, being largely the creation of Stjepan Vukčić, who inherited those lands in 1435. Stjepan was an incredibly ambitious nobleman who took on the title of herceg (borrowed from German herzog) and ruled a portion of the Kingdom of Bosnia as a de facto independent realm called the Duchy of Saint Sava, which is the name its contemporaries knew it as. While Stjepan had the chops for independent rule, his sons weren't quite as canny, and in 1483 the realm was conquered by advancing Ottoman forces. However, Stjepan's title, herceg, lived on in the Ottoman name for the territory, and this eventually became the name Herzegovina, which is what we know the area now as and, for the sake of familiarity, the name which the realm (and its capital province) is called in-game.

You may have also noticed that Croatia is now present on the map. It starts in a union under Hungary, and depending on Hungarian fortunes may now either break away in one fell swoop or be more firmly incorporated into the Crown of St. Stephen. While the inclusion of Croatia does provide some interesting opportunities for Hungarian expansion or wresting parts of the Hungarian domain away from Budapest, the inclusion of Croatia as a separate entity has called for a little historical fudging. Rule of Croatia and Slavonia was split in 1444, although the two entities were ruled by Croatian brothers at the time of the Grand Campaign, and the titles would be merged together into a united Banate in 1476. To prevent Hungarian diplomatic relations from being eaten up by subjects and give it a slightly more powerful vassal to keep in check, Croatia here is unified slightly early.

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Thank you all for reading this and our other map-based dev diaries, it’s been a pleasure to present our work to you and to read your feedback and ideas. Next week we will take a look at some of the new mission trees coming to this region - most likely Austria, one of the Balkan minors, and something you might not expect. We’ll also talk a little about the Hungarian succession. Until then, have a great week!
 
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Definitely.
The problem I see with your idea is that catholic sephardims would just be Castillians or from another Iberian culture. Their identity mainly came from their religion. But even putting this aside, it's necessary to say that this alternate Spain would not be the one that is already present in the game, as that one is the historical and real one. If you ask me, jews should only be able to form Israel (and I am not even sure thay would be sensible during Eu4's timeframe). Another option could be giving the Sepharim the possibility of creating a jewish Spain, Sepharad.
 
Was hoping Athens to be split into two province's.
It would result in an unnecessary mini-province, besides, the region was quite poor during most of EU4.
 
I see you dislike the idea forming Spain by Sephardim, but they are pretty much culturally Iberian, their background in Spain is very old, even language they speak: Ladino, so I dont sea reason why not?
If you are Sephardic and Catholic, why cant you form Spain, at all?

Maybe they should be able to form Sepharad, like muslims can form Al-Andalus. Definitely not Spain.
 
Does this mean that Crete and Cyprus will continue to be one-province islands, or do they fall outside of the scope of this Dev Diary?

Well disappointingly Crete (fifth largest) and Cyrpus (third largest) are still one province islands. They share the same fate as Corsica, the fourth largest island in the Mediterranean, is still only one province. Even though, as pointed out in another thread, the island was politically divided in the 15th century. It's really disappointing that these large, densely populated islands are still only a single province yet the Balearic islands are THREE provinces.
 
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Well disappointingly they are still one province islands, just like Corsica, the third largest island in the Mediterranean, is still only one province even though, as pointed out in another thread, the island was politically divided in the 15th century. It's really disappointing that these large, densely populated islands are still only a single province yet the Balearic islands are THREE provinces.
Ibiza is a joke; indeed.
 
I'm afraid this balkans area changes can make ottomans unbeatable. Litteraly higher manpower recover thx new provinces and higher army limit, with empire goverment type and early game unit buff with ez casus belli thx mission tree looks really silly. Plz creat something like balkans Union ally. Divided orthodox countries have no chance with Otto. Venetia the same. Only hungary can try stop them and have interests or mission in balkans area. Sry for my English :) btw i love how you develop Eu4 and 100% i will buy new expansion

with the new changes, as it stand unless they hiding some huge positive change for hungary, hungary will not be able to stand up to the ottos anymore. in the current play if you grab as much of the balkans as you can and get poland and austria to join you then you can challenge them to an all in do or die war and maybe actually win. even then you need to defeat the ottomans at least once or twice more before they no longer a mortal danger to you. now with the update losing Croatia means less direct power for Hungary so you prob cant afford the 20-30k army that it can field anymore or with even more debt while the lets say 10k ai croat army totally going to walk into an otto doom stack. Having croatia means hungary has a much more difficult time to get to venice due to coring as well as you could lose the PU any time. Hungary is majorly screwed with this update as it stands.
 
I can't help but feel a little biast for the province count proposals for Silesia and eastern Pommerania by @Aramenian the regions don't strike me as very important or rich during the game period (silesias coal was of more importance during the 19th century) so I really wouldn't support these changes. And I believe that there is also no question about the fact, that this is the entirely wrong thread for this. There are a DD for Germany, as well as a suggestions forum for that.
 
with the new changes, as it stand unless they hiding some huge positive change for hungary, hungary will not be able to stand up to the ottos anymore. in the current play if you grab as much of the balkans as you can and get poland and austria to join you then you can challenge them to an all in do or die war and maybe actually win. even then you need to defeat the ottomans at least once or twice more before they no longer a mortal danger to you. now with the update losing Croatia means less direct power for Hungary so you prob cant afford the 20-30k army that it can field anymore or with even more debt while the lets say 10k ai croat army totally going to walk into an otto doom stack. Having croatia means hungary has a much more difficult time to get to venice due to coring as well as you could lose the PU any time. Hungary is majorly screwed with this update as it stands.
Would make it more hisotrical if the Ottomans would annex Hungary without probems like they did in real life.
 
Would make it more hisotrical if the Ottomans would annex Hungary without probems like they did in real life.
Hungary had a bigger population than England in 1444 and was wealthier, too.

Hungary right now in EU4 is like a former Soviet republic.
 
You will have to deal with it though.
Medieval England is and will always be overrepresented in all kinds of Media
I refuse to accept that.

I'm from Western Europe myself; good representation of the Eastern part is a boon to us all.
 
Well, in terms of modern media places tend to show where they were created as the center of reality. Stuff done in New York City shows it as the center of reality. LA does LA. Tokyo does Tokyo. London does London.

From what I remember Eastern Europe tends to have an issue with producing less media of its own. Instead doing things like... what do they call it, Lecters in Poland where they just have a guy do a voice over of imported media more like a Books on Tape reading than any attempt at acting, much less making it culturally relevant to themselves. Expansion of creation from the region is interesting. And in terms of gaming it's given us settings and experiences that otherwise haven't really existed recently like Kingdom Come: Deliverance and the Witcher series, both of which play heavily into the regional past and culture of their creators.

So it'll be nice if we continue to get more stuff. And shift the perception of Eastern Europe kind of away from the Cold War standard of "Dirt poor crushing poverty under the Soviets and their installed despots" kind of thing.
 
Well, in terms of modern media places tend to show where they were created as the center of reality. Stuff done in New York City shows it as the center of reality. LA does LA. Tokyo does Tokyo. London does London.

From what I remember Eastern Europe tends to have an issue with producing less media of its own. Instead doing things like... what do they call it, Lecters in Poland where they just have a guy do a voice over of imported media more like a Books on Tape reading than any attempt at acting, much less making it culturally relevant to themselves. Expansion of creation from the region is interesting. And in terms of gaming it's given us settings and experiences that otherwise haven't really existed recently like Kingdom Come: Deliverance and the Witcher series, both of which play heavily into the regional past and culture of their creators.

So it'll be nice if we continue to get more stuff. And shift the perception of Eastern Europe kind of away from the Cold War standard of "Dirt poor crushing poverty under the Soviets and their installed despots" kind of thing.
The thing is, there is plenty of English stuff around for regions like Poland and Hungary. Plenty of sources, maps and descriptions. Russia, for example, is already quite represented (the European parts, that is). The steppes could be far better, yes, but it looks quite decent if you take into account its population and the like (the Volga area does need an update, though, the Steppes are a hard area to properly find stuff for).

But Hungary? It really needs another update. It was wealthy, had the renaissance, many provinces. It needs an update along with Romania (which needs its borders fixed). Lithuania is not that fleshed out, either. Unique mechanics seem to skip these nations, as well.
 
You will have to deal with it though.
Medieval England is and will always be overrepresented in all kinds of Media
Doesn't make it right, that said having a larger population and being wealthier than England in 1444 isn't exactly a great accomplishment. I seem to recall reading that Rouen had three times the population of London during the hundred years war.
 
Doesn't make it right, that said having a larger population and being wealthier than England in 1444 isn't exactly a great accomplishment. I seem to recall reading that Rouen had three times the population of London during the hundred years war.
I'm not saying it makes it right, i'm just saying it is the way it is. Hungary is not the only country that is very lacking in power and flavour compared to England, and EU4 is not the only game where this happens.
CK2 is an even worse offender for example.
 
Would make it more hisotrical if the Ottomans would annex Hungary without probems like they did in real life.

you do know that historically the ottomans had a lot of trouble with hungary right? plenty of times hungary twarted Ottoman plans and at the start date Hungary about to get one of its strongest kings as well as the establisment of the black army. realistically Hungary should be able to do 1v1 with the ottomans.