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EU4 - Development Diary - 7th of May 2019

Hi there and welcome to another dev diary for EU4. I am Pierre, I’ve been part of the EU4 Content Design team since December, and I feel honoured to be able to give you your first peeks at the new content we are making for the big European update and expansion we have planned for the end of the year.

This is the first of several dev diaries that will focus on the map changes we have made, giving large parts of the European map a much-needed revamp. I’ll be starting with Germany (which for purely arbitrary reasons shall for today include Switzerland and Bohemia, but not Austria). As @neondt stated in an earlier dev diary, our aim was not to recreate Voltaire’s Nightmare or to populate the entire HRE map with OPMs (this would have been eminently possible) but rather to create more depth and more interesting gameplay situations within it, righting various wrongs and finding ways to better represent the various dynamics of the empire’s territories along the way.

As with previous patches, all map changes shown here will be part of the free patch. In previous map previews, we have often revealed the idea groups of the new tags, and rest assured we will be adding new ideas to replace the generic German ones. However, the work to do so still lies in the future, so in the meantime I’d just like to give a shoutout to this thread – if you want to know what we are looking for in terms of threads suggesting new idea groups, look no further.

So without further ado…

South Germany

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The lack of primogeniture in Bavaria until the 1500s led to several splits of the Duchy in the 14th century before its reunification in 1503. At game start, Wittelsbach Bavaria is divided between Munich, Landshut and Ingolstadt, who will have to fight it out for the duchy (or hope they inherit it). However, Bavaria can console itself with the fact that, once united, it will have considerably more resources at its disposal than in 1.28, with new provinces in Innbaiern (modern Innviertel, ceded to Austria in 1779; capital: Braunau), Freising, Rosenheim and Donauwörth (which has Swabian culture and is a releasable tag). We hope for Bavaria to become a strong power within the HRE in the next patch. To make this more likely, we will be adding DHEs such as this one to the Bavarian sub-duchies:

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Also new to Bavaria is the inclusion of Regensburg as a Free City and Passau as a Bishopric. At present, the latter is a vassal under Munich, since historically Munich’s territories more or less surrounded Passau and we do not wish the latter to be easy food for Bohemia or Austria. Finally, Salzburg (already in the Bavarian geographic area) now has Bavarian culture, which more correctly represents its situation in 1444 – it was part of the Bavarian Circle and was only annexed by Austria as late as 1805.

Moving south, the large province of Tirol has been split in several pieces, with the independent County of Bregenz (currently Austrian culture) to the west representing one of the more challenging starting positions in the HRE (they have 5 development and an heir with low legitimacy). The main province has been further split between Inntal (capital: Innsbruck) and Etschtal (capital: Meran).

Switzerland, too, has seen a makeover. The Swiss Confederacy was a growing power in the 15th century but was not yet close to controlling all of what would become Switzerland. Whilst we elected not to start with individual independent Swiss Cantons (this would simply make them easy prey for Austria, Milan, Savoy and Burgundy), we did split off the largest independent force, the Three Leagues. In the process, Graubünden was split to become Illanz and Chur, and Fribourg/Freiburg was added west of Bern.

Finally, Swabia has seen considerable changes. Firstly, Austria’s holdings in Swabia (or “Further Austria” are better represented, with Breisgau now being ruled by Austria, as it was in history. Baden has been compensated with the addition of Durlach (which would later become Karlsruhe) to its north. Wurttemberg, which was the largest territorial state in Swabia but somehow is an OPM with 6 development in EU4, now has a new province in the form of Urach (capital: Reutlingen) and a substantial buff in terms of development. Additionally, Ravensburg has been swapped for the Free City of Konstanz, Alsace is now the Bishopric of Strasbourg, the new tag of Mulhouse has been added to represent the Decapolis in southern Alsace, and Ulm is no longer wildly mislocated.

To add a bit more interest to the area, states of Swabian culture will now be able to form Swabia.

Central Germany and Bohemia

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Saxony has been given several new provinces but has also been split in two. Like Bavaria, Saxony did not have primogeniture; unlike Bavaria, Saxony never fully resolved this issue. As a result, in the 15th century, it was split several times, with the end result being the Treaty of Leipzig in 1485, where Saxony was split between the two brothers Ernest and Albert on lines similar to those displayed on the map above, except that both continued calling themselves Saxony and Ernest (Thuringia) gained Wittenberg and the Electorate. Thuringia/Ernestine Saxony later lost the Electorate to (Albertine) Saxony and split into many, many pieces. This all lies in the future in 1444 (via several planned DHEs), so the current division is based on that in 1445 between the brothers Friedrich and Wilhelm. Thuringia starts under PU by Saxony, but there will be several events which will make it a difficult subject to keep quiet for Saxony. New provinces are Zwickau in Saxony and three in Thuringia (previously one province with low development), which is now much better represented by Erfurt (Mainz has a core on this province to represent certain historical complexities), Weimar and Coburg (Franconian culture).

Franconia has seen a few more provinces and tags added. Most importantly, Franconia itself is now a formable tag if you manage to unite the Franconian lands. This is however easier said than done as Franconia now includes two Free Cities and lands owned by strong neighbours (i.e. Coburg by Thuringia). Würzburg, the titular holders of the duchy, remain the strongest power, with a new province in Fulda (Rhenish i.e. Hessian culture) and vassal in Bamberg. Their main rivals, Ansbach, now have Bayreuth as their junior partners in PU. They are now also bordered on the west by Rothenburg, another new Free City. Finally, the large province of Mainz has been split and the new Franconian culture province of Aschaffenburg has been added.

Moving West, @Ofaloaf did some pyrotechnics to the lower Rhineland map to make space to squeeze in Jülich (owned by Berg). The Palatinate has a new province in Zweibrücken, and although Hessen has no new provinces, its provinces have been renamed to Oberhessen and Niederhessen, with Niederhessen (Kassel) now the capital and more affluent province.

Finally, Bohemia, like other regions, has gained some new provinces. Lusatia has been split in three (with Oberlausitz split between Bautzen and Görlitz). This has allowed us to make Lusatia an area and releasable tag, with the provinces now having Sorbian culture. Silesia, as you can see, has been split in two between Glogau and Opole. Silesia the tag still exists and can be formed by a Silesian country that owns all of Silesia and is not a subject. Bohemia and Moravia have seen three more provinces added, with space being made for Jindrichuv Hradec, Pardubice and Ostrava. Although this is quite a few new provinces, we split the development of existing provinces to make room for them, so Bohemian starting development is not noticeably higher; we will of course be paying attention to the balance side of things to avoid Bohemia becoming the Ottomans of Europe.

Northern Germany

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We restrained ourselves from adding too many provinces to Brandenburg, mainly because this was not a very densely inhabited area and in 1444 few would have predicted that it would later rise to power. However, they did gain a new province in Brandenburg (the city) and are stronger than most of their neighbours, so if they can secure the alliances needed to keep the likes of Bohemia away, they are still well-placed to expand – especially since the sale of Neumark will now also grant them Dramburg.

Pomerania had a bit of a situation with their lack of primogeniture too (I seem to be repeating myself here). In fact, they split many, many times and were united much more seldom than they were divided. We went for a fairly conservative split and made them into Wolgast in the west and Stettin in the east, with new provinces in Wolgast and Rügen. A united Pomerania will of course be able to form Pomerania. Also, Rügen is a releasable tag that, in homage to Klaus Störtebecker and the hotbed of piracy that was the Baltic, will have the opportunity of going pirate if you own Golden Century.

The smaller states to the west of Brandenburg have each gained provinces, with Mecklenburg now correctly owning Stargard, Lüneburg’s significance better represented by the addition of Celle, and Magdeburg now owning the bishop’s summer residence of Halle. Braunschweig (previously one of the largest provinces of the HRE) has had the city of Göttingen split off it to the south (still owned by the Brunswick tag though) and is bordered to the east by the new Free City of Goslar, and the tag Verden now also owns a province called Verden as well as Stade.

Further west, Cologne too has an extra province in Paderborn (which is a releasable tag) and Berg is our new bordergore galore tag, owning Bielefeld as well as Berg and Jülich. Last but not least, Dortmund has also been added as a Free City.

Another change that we made in the north is in the cultures. There have been many calls for a “Lower Saxon” culture, and we have heeded these calls by splitting the Westphalian culture. Conveniently, this allows us to make the Kingdom of Hannover into the formable for the Lower Saxons and Westphalia into that for the Westphalians and Rhenish peoples.

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As a final note, I’d add that our focus on the Holy Roman Empire gives us a good opportunity to add flavour events for the tags populating it. I’ve been loving reading through the suggestions in threads such as this one. Please keep them coming, and if there is any interesting historical event you would like to see in the game, feel free to ping me (I can also read German and French, so you can send me links in those languages too).

That’s it for now. Next week, I’ll be presenting a few of the German mission trees we have prepared so far.
 
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The more I think about it, the more I feel that an entire separate grand strategy game could be made about all the goings-on within the HRE over the course of its history, with a level of detail that allows simulation of every princely entity, at the expense of making everywhere else an assortment of broadly-railroaded off-map powers. I'd certainly play it.
 
The more I think about it, the more I feel that an entire separate grand strategy game could be made about all the goings-on within the HRE over the course of its history, with a level of detail that allows simulation of every princely entity, at the expense of making everywhere else an assortment of broadly-railroaded off-map powers. I'd certainly play it.
That games exits, and it's called Crusader Kings II :)
 
Another thing I'm iffy about: Lippe being releasable. In my opinion Lippe > Bielefeld. It would be strange to have Lippe in a Bielefeld province.

Btw, some positive feedback:
- The Wismar/Rostock-area fix is very good. City-locations and Stargard, nice.
- Oldenburg city-fix is nice.
- The Bayreuth/Bamberg area is almost perfect.
- The amount of new provinces is also something I like.
- The lake Constanz area is very nice.
 
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Additionally, Ravensburg has been swapped for the Free City of Konstanz, Alsace is now the Bishopric of Strasbourg, the new tag of Mulhouse has been added to represent the Decapolis in southern Alsace, and Ulm is no longer wildly mislocated.
Alsace is now the Bisopric of Strasbourg : does this mean that the Duchy of Alsace do no exist anymore ? If that's the case, can we reform it by taking Strasbourg, Mulhouse and Sundgau ?

On the redacted part, is there the western part of the modern Alsace, finally with the good country ?:)
 
Ok from what I gather Austria will be split up or something Burgundy will be changed new Frisian culture and lastly provence and Lorraine provence will likely be a French vassel
Provence should be De Jure a French Vassal (just like Burgundy, that gave its vassalty words to the French King a few year before the TL). About Lorraine though, id rather see them as independant (even if linked by DHE to France/Valois House?). For Balance matter i get that Burgundy can not even be a rebellious UP Under France. Though, Provence..

In my opinion, France would have kind of a choice between Lorraine and Britanny. If its marry Britanny (via event) and take Britanny as an UP, it need to renounce its claim on Lorraine not to infuriate too much the Habsburg.
If France choose to keep its views over Lorraine (after the death of René de Valois), then it should lead to a massive war between HRE+++ and France, considering France the attacker - just like UK over Maine event. That way, you would avoid having a big united France too early, as the France AI would never pick a war against HRE, and that would be a huge challenge for a player.
 
I decided to rename Bielefeld's province to Ravensberg, to make clear what that province is (the county of Ravensberg, of which Bielefeld was the capital).
 
Another thing I'm iffy about: Lippe being releasable. In my opinion Lippe > Bielefeld. It would be strange to have Lippe in a Bielefeld province.

Btw, some positive feedback:
- The Wismar/Rostock-area fix is very good. City-locations and Stargard, nice.
- Oldenburg city-fix is nice.
- The Bayreuth/Bamberg area is almost perfect.
- The amount of new provinces is also something I like.
- The lake Constanz area is very nice.
Oldenburg / Ostfriesland is still imperfect and looks too rectangular. Should be two triangles

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Another note is the sad choice for province names in pomerania.

Personally having Pasewalk or Anklam and give it to Stettin in 1444 and remove stolp and kolberg from Stettin and make either both of them a OPM or give Stolp to Wolgast.

Plus damn Usedom looks horrid in vanilla.

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I agree that not every minuscule real life state in the HRE needs to be on the 1444 map but every minuscule HRE state with an appropriate province to have a core on should have a tag and a core on that province.

Braunschweig (previously one of the largest provinces of the HRE) has had the city of Göttingen split off it to the south (still owned by the Brunswick tag though)
Any chances for events leading up to their rise to the electorate representing their eventual rise to the Kingdom of Hannover?
There have been many calls for a “Lower Saxon” culture, and we have heeded these calls by splitting the Westphalian culture. Conveniently, this allows us to make the Kingdom of Hannover into the formable for the Lower Saxons and Westphalia into that for the Westphalians and Rhenish peoples.
While I love the inclusion of Lower Saxon, there is no such thing as westphalian.It is a concept contructed by Napoleon, and representing no underying cultural split, and clien states this way are already covered by the client state system, there is no reason to keep Westphalen in there much less a westphalian culture.
And linking westphalen to the rheinish is a total anachronism. Northrhine-Westphalen is a constructed bundesland not based on history or culture but based on the allies wanting to be able to occupy certain resource rich areas at the end of ww2 more conveniently so they bundled a little bit of western lower saxony and a little bit of the Norhthern rhineland into one bundesland.

Then again, Pomeranian is still in German.
Well that region does see a major culture shift in this period, and both Germanic and Slavic Pommeranians needs to be represented, I see essentially only two ways of doing this, either the slavic pommeranians become Kashubians or the german pommernaians become lower saxons (which is fairly accurate actually).
Speaking of pommerinia Sweden and Brandenburg's misisons for pommerania should hcange so they don't conflict, Sweden and Prussia have gotten along reasonably well through history, and pretty much paritoned Pommerania between the, Sweden taking Vorpommern while Prussia taking hinterpommern.
I love the map changes as much as the next guy, but I do hope they are followed up by actual imperial mechanics. The HRE is not suffering from lack of opm's, but from old mechanics.
And from new mechanics, the trade league mechanics are arguably worse than the HRE ones.
How does the map changes affect the balance of merchant republics?
Significantly which makes me hopeful we'll see them reworked.
Some provinces more or less won't improve the game at all.

Hopefully this wont turn into another Dharma which was mostly inconsequential map changes and missions but lacked any actual improvements.

For now I assume you start with map changes and next week mission trees because they are easy to do and already finished and not because they will be your main content like in Dharma.
Hopefully I wont be disappointed.
Speak for yourself I really like Dharma. It was a far better DLC than many of the DLCs which added a bunch of mechanics representing concepts already represented by other mechanics. Like Army professionalism and army tradition.
Could Saxony be made a reformable tag for countries of Saxon culture? Given that all other stem-duchies can now be formed
Saxon and Low saxon.
I mean, Lorraine is right there. I'd rather see Lotharingia be represented by a permanent bonus at the end of a Lorrainian mission tree rather than a formable.
Again reformable is something different than formable. England is reformable and still gets a bunch of missions.
Likewise, I'd represent the Stem Duchy of Saxony by giving Saxony missions to reclaim the lost territories.
That's good and well as long as you started as Saxony but of saxony was to disappear then a saxon minor would beyond doubt claim the title duke of saxony. You should think more CK2 here, the title exists, someone will alwaus possess it. The only reason Brandenburg didn't is because by the time they could they were already Kings in Prussia.
Will the "Saxon" culture be getting a name change? It bothers me to have "Lower Saxon" and "Saxon".
It seems correct to me, highland saxon is a bit of a mouthful.
I would like to see a revival of the hansa as formable tag from one of the mercantile OPMs...
This so much this.
yeah playing as Lubeck just isn't any fun anymore. I miss the big Hansa games controlling northern Germany and all the Baltic trade
Yeah mare nostrum turned the hansa to an NPC, it is no fun at all to play any more. And it used to be my favourite start.
Kind of odd if they do the same with Bavaria, Pomerania, Silesia and Saxony but not with Austria and the Welf domains.
The welf domains are already divided like this.In Brunswick and Lüneburg.
Any plans to add a Kashubian or similarly named culture in East Pomerania? I like mods like M&T where I can have an independent Slavic Pomerania on the Baltic coast, checking the might of the Germans.
Well the Pommeranian tags should be Slavic cultured, but they should get event where their high development provinces flip german in exchange for development seeing how the Pommeranian dukes invited in German settlers to get people with the skills their needed.
I'd like to see Lower Saxon be renamed 'Niedersachsen', but that's just me being nitpicky. (Yes, I know, it's literally just translating it back into German. Shush.)
Niedersachsen in a place. The people would be Niedersächsisch. Oh and I oppose this, the game in in English.
Also please make it very likely that Hannover will form and when it forms it is granted an electorate as well.
It having the provinces it needs should be handled by missions, as for it having the electorate it all depends on how the HRE mechanics turn out, I really hope that there is some way to get some agency over whether you get an electorate or not.
Looks like Kleves is still Rhenish culture rather than Dutch, that's rather disappointing.
Well prior to the 80yw is there really a difference between rhenish and dutch?
They later starts are virtually ignored. I can't remember when it was, but they did mention years ago that very, very few people choose a game start that isn't 1444.
Because they abandoned those. CK2 didn't and I play later start dates in that all the time. In fact I can't remember last time I played in 769.
How will the Dutch revolts work since Frisian has its own culture now? Will Dutch rebels also appear in Frisian culture cores? Very curious to see how adding Frisian will change the Dutch Revolts.
My guess is it won't, but Frisian countries should get events where they can accept migrants/refugees from the dutch cities under foreign rule and flip dutch while getting a bunch of development.
Have you considered some changes to trade leagues? They will be a bit weakened since there will be less single province nations.
They will get significantly weakened. My hope is they will give them a major rework into something that is actually fun to play as.
I hope this means that HRE states that were more relevant in history like Bavaria and Brandenburg won't be swallowed up by literal who's as much. Both those states in particular seem to have a hard time surviving.
Let's face it, Brandeburg get swallowed up by Bohemia often enough as is. Truly a central European ottoman empire.
Just failed another WC run with only really Ming left. Now again adding so many provinces that I think I will have to give up again.
And what we should get a lesser game just so world conquest stays a viable game goal?
 
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I agree that not every minuscule real life state in the HRE needs to be on the 1444 map but every minuscule HRE state with an appropriate province to have a core on should have a tag and a core on that province.


Any chances for events leading up to their rise to the electorate representing their eventual rise to the Kingdom of Hannover?

While I love the inclusion of Lower Saxon, there is no such thing as westphalian.It is a concept contructed by Napoleon, and representing no underying cultural split, and clien states this way are already covered by the client state system, there is no reason to keep Westphalen in there much less a westphalian culture.
And linking westphalen to the rheinish is a total anachronism. Northrhine-Westphalen is a constructed bundesland not based on history or culture but based on the allies wanting to be able to occupy certain resource rich areas at the end of ww2 more conveniently so they bundled a little bit of western lower saxony and a little bit of the Norhthern rhineland into one bundesland.
Westphalian is a distinct western branch of the low Saxon dialect continuum, so it does make sense.

Westphalia as a client state was very anachronistic, but the old stemduchy of Saxony already had this split.

Westphalian is the culture of Saxon Netherlands, Münster, Dortmund and a few other places around there as shown here.

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