EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

[Mingmung]

This is what I have on the rest of the Maghreb thus far (it's a work in progress, still). Most of the mistakes were made during Art of War, but you can clearly see that the new addition of Sabha (province of Fezzan) is also very, very wrong. I suggest you rename the province to Gharyan (not sure if it was under tribal control, though) and place its city in the green circle. Fezzan should be renamed to its capital, too. The rest consists of location-changes. Tlemcen, Mzab and Touggourt are the only ones left to fact-check.

@neondt @Trin Tragula

 

[fender]

The reason why wee need the Burgundy Cross as flag of Spain is so we don't need to worry about what Coats of Arms are in the flag...

The problem is that a symbol appears with the Hasburg. If you continue to play with the Trastámara it has no historical meaning.

 

[Davius]

The problem is that a symbol appears with the Hasburg. If you continue to play with the Trastámara it has no historical meaning.

Totally right here. At the beginning of the game it makes no sense at all. Only at the start 1444 we can consider that things are historical. What happens after that date it's completely a different story. So... why should we include the Burgundy Cross as a flag if Spain will mostly have the Trastamara dinasty and probably it won't even inherit Burgundy? To include it there would definetely be unhistorical.

Consider as well that after we start to play we change completely the history. Imagine that in this alternative history the next kings will decide not to change their coat of arms or flag ever again... Problem solved! If you think this way there's not even need to make dynamic flags .

 

[Thrudgelmir2333]

England was invaded in EUIV's time period. Multiple times if I recall correctly, but the most well known is the Glorious Revolution, where William of Orange (Stadtholder of Dutch Republic) overthrew the king and placed himself on the throne.
Norway was also invaded multiple times by Sweden. They even took 3 of the provinces Norway has in 1444 (1 was given back shortly after the conquest). Sweden even lost a king trying to siege down a Norwegian fort (Charles XII/Carolus Rex). The last Swedish invasion of Norway was when Norway ignored the Treaty of Kiel in 1814 and declared independence, prompting Sweden to invade and place it under a PU.
However, that does not mean Portugal has enough provinces. I would definitely support more provinces in Portugal. I was surprised they only got 1 new province. I probably would have made it 11 or 12 on the mainland. Perhaps something like this (ignore the rest of the map; it's from an old mod that's not been updated since 1.11):

Spoiler

Just leave it be. It has already been settled.

Edit: Now that is a good province setup for Portugal

Agreed, this map seems to address most concerns, I'd highly recommend a version of it for Portugal (maybe put a bit more of the Sado inside the Setubal Province)

 

[Ragnarak]

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I'm making a few changes. Will also be revising city placement later. Oddly enough most of the cities people have noted are in the wrong place are old cities that I didn't even touch.

re: Majorca tag - Convince me and I'll do it. Make a case from both a gameplay and historical perspective

So Lleida won't be in the game?

It has been the only important city around the region which depicts Urgell between Zaragoza and Barcelona. It has had an important role during the wars Spain had in those centuries.

 

[Mingmung]

So Lleida won't be in the game?

It has been the only important city around the region which depicts Urgell between Zaragoza and Barcelona. It has had an important role during the wars Spain had in those centuries.

It should be the name and capital of Urgell, with a slightly different location of the city itself, too. (more to the south, that is)

 

[fender]

The division made to the kingdom of Valencia is not correct. The province of Alicante, although it should be called Orihuela (Oriola), is too big. The division of the kingdom in 1441 was the following:

 

[Primo Columba]

Just a few of my thoughts. It’s going to be from most liked changes to least.


Colonization of Canarias… for real? This sounds great
Since I started to play EU4 I has been found really odd seen the archipelago full colonized at 1444. I order to be concise:

• The Gran Canaria province make sense, historically, as Nobility state holding with fair development (for a colony), Catholic but Tuareg (the natives were Christianise at this point in part of the islands but not fully integrate), Fish producer in Safi.
• The Tenerife province, I think, make sense as a uncolonized 1/1/1 province whit a sizable native population of a medium to high aggressiveness just a bit of Ferocity, Animists, Tuareg (the natives had bronze age tech but without access to local metal and little to none contact with the outer world from the fall of Cartago to the Age of Exploration), and the most provable trade goods may be Wine or Sugar in the Safi node.

Mechanically I opine that at least one province with a high Native assimilation bonus is needed to convert and cultural shift is the way to make the idea really blossom. And other matter is how is possible to avoid the colonization by Portugal of the given province.

The idea of a Granada core in Ceuta sound great also, as well as the pirate OPM. I think this give a lot of deep to the costal Maghreb area, and provide extra space for Reconquista events regarding Moorish backs and forth at both sides of the strait of Gibraltar. More provinces for Portugal might be also nice (Olivença).

A bit in the matter of province naming, in the same regard that Mingmung:
Vigo >> Pontevedra
Extremadura >> Caceres
Castilla La Vieja >> Valladolid (and may be use the name of Castilla La Vieja for the Area)
La Mancha >> Ciudad Real (and use La Mancha for the Area).
Madrid >> I always though it didn’t make sense use that name before the event “A new Spanish Capital” else the “¡Sólo Madrid es Corte!” option was used to change the name. Probably a name like Ávila o Sepulveda could fit better.
Pirineo >> I never liked this name, as someone have point out High Aragon.
Lleida >> The name doesn’t make any sense in the kingdom of Aragon, maybe is better call this province Zaragoza.
Zaragoza >> It sees too to the west to be Zaragoza city, may be Calatayud -navaluiki- or linked to the Pirineo naming Low Aragon.
Xativa >> Buñol (repopulate by culturally Aragonese).

As many like The Havoc, Metz and Gunthah have point out the lack of a kingdom for Mallorca (tag) or the Calatonian ownership over the new three islands archipelago is a bit of a bluff.

Last but not the least. I really dislike the proposed releasable nation of Asturias, it’s bollocks.
The principality of Asturias as an OPM could make sense, even having an extracore in Leon as a bit of a stretcher. But Cantabria? Burgos? This is Castilian mainland we are talking about, it feels utterly wrong. I could see as a useful tool in gameplay, but really an ahistorical idea to say the least. If a releasable nation is really needed in the area it is better think about something else, like the kingdom of Majorca, another Muslim nation with high tolerance to heathers based in Seville or a Catholic military order like the Knights (Order of Aviz, Order of Calatrava, Order of Santiago…) provided with means to negate the +50% Hostile core-creation in the Maghreb and eagers to make Deus Vult all the way down to South Africa.

This are just my though. I hope them could help in the discussion.

 

[navaluiki]

The division made to the kingdom of Valencia is not correct. The province of Alicante, although it should be called Orihuela (Oriola), is too big. The division of the kingdom in 1441 was the following:

Good idea. Paradox should redraw the provinces of Valencia so they are more similitar to the historic governorates.

J
A bit in the matter of province naming, in the same regard that Mingmung:
Vigo >> Pontevedra
Extremadura >> Caceres
Castilla La Vieja >> Valladolid (and may be use the name of Castilla La Vieja for the Area)
La Mancha >> Ciudad Real (and use La Mancha for the Area).
Madrid >> I always though it didn’t make sense use that name before the event “A new Spanish Capital” else the “¡Sólo Madrid es Corte!” option was used to change the name. Probably a name like Ávila o Sepulveda could fit better.
Pirineo >> I never liked this name, as someone have point out High Aragon.
Lleida >> The name doesn’t make any sense in the kingdom of Aragon, maybe is better call this province Zaragoza.
Zaragoza >> It sees too to the west to be Zaragoza city, may be Calatayud -navaluiki- or linked to the Pirineo naming Low Aragon.
Xativa >> Buñol (repopulate by culturally Aragonese).

Thanks for referring to me. Actually some of these proposals have been implemented (there's an update on page 26 if I remeber correctly).
Regarding Madrid, I was also considering giving that province another name before moving the capital. Alcalá de Henares would be a good option. It was already an important city in Central Castille, with a similitar popution to Madrid at the late 15th Century. Besides, Alcalá has one of the oldest universities of Spain and is also the hometown of Cervantes. Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I was born there too.

 

[regne_valencia]

The reason why wee need the Burgundy Cross as flag of Spain is so we don't need to worry about what Coats of Arms are in the flag...

Also was official flag since 1506 to 1701,and eventually used until 1785, almost all the time that the game covers

The description off this flag says: "National pavilion until 1701 (Eventual use until 1785), remaining as civil (merchant) pavilion later. Also used in peninsular and overseas bastions.

IMHO this flag is the most unperfect solution for the spanish flag

 

[Nuajan]

Will Spain receive a mission to colonize the Philippines?

 

[Live Fast Die Young]

Ha, it will be interesting to see what the devs come up with to fix the problem with the coat of arms. IF they introduce any mechanics about a united Iberia at all because maybe they don't. Anyway, I think I wouldn't mind keeping the same coat of arms we have now. The point is the events and the fun stuff
I wanna see some tercios units and when you select the army they can shout "SANTIAGO", that would be so cool.

 

[Mingmung]

What's the name of the new province for Tlemcen? I can't read it.

 

[Primo Columba]

Thanks for referring to me. Actually some of these proposals have been implemented (there's an update on page 26 if I remeber correctly).
Regarding Madrid, I was also considering giving that province another name before moving the capital. Alcalá de Henares would be a good option. It was already an important city in Central Castille, with a similitar popution to Madrid at the late 15th Century. Besides, Alcalá has one of the oldest universities of Spain and is also the hometown of Cervantes. Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I was born there too.

To be honest, I read the first pages and the last ones, and miss most of the @RolDel post's

Defenely Alcalá has more importance in the XV century than other cities in the area.

Will Spain receive a mission to colonize the Philippines?

The mission to colonize the Philippines should be in the colonial Mexico tree.

 

[gigau]

Once again and for the last time, language on the forum is English, even in linked pages.

 

[Mingmung]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ck-province-names-and-city-locations.1123146/

@neondt @RodDel The suggestion is now complete with all of the Maghreb! Please let me know if you need anything else. Looking forward to what next week brings.

 

[Nuajan]

The province of Alicante, although it should be called Orihuela (Oriola

Then, Albacete should be called Villena

 

[JPGM22]

People suggesting Olivenza realize that Olivenza is much smaller than Luxembourg or even smaller than Andorra?

 

[cristofolmc]

The division made to the kingdom of Valencia is not correct. The province of Alicante, although it should be called Orihuela (Oriola), is too big. The division of the kingdom in 1441 was the following:

This. Please, fix this @neondt Valencia should be where Xátiva it is. Xativa should be a bit further south south. Castellón and Valencia are not that close. Look at the map.

 

[Anarchya]

Some ppl sugesting that Aveiro shouldn't be in the game... Lemme tell you guys that i don't think so... Portugal was a country of sailors... We (Portugal) had the first colonial empire of the modern era... started in 1415 with Ceuta and it was over in 1999 with Macau when we gave it back to China and don't forget East-Timor.. Timor got finally the independence in 2002, not from Indonesia (this country invaded them) but from Portugal because Portugal and Timor never signed the Independence Treat, as we (Portugal) did it with Brasil (much earlier); Cabo Verde; Guiné-Bissau; Moçambique; Angola or São Tomé e Príncipe, like the UN considers... we need provinces to build our forts and to have sailors without suffocating the economy.. then we need ports... Aveiro must apear in the portuguese map as Leiria and few others... Costal provinces to have shipyards/grand shipyards and drydocks, these buildings for the ship's constrution and to rise the number of sailors.. to expand the naval force limit modifier.. this tiny country had a huge armada too.. bring some reality for the game. Why 12/13 provinces in Ireland or Scotland? I'm not saying that this is wrong.. I like it, i don't care about that.. My problem is when it comes to Portugal we see clearly that we don't have the same kind of work.. Spliting Baleares? Spliting Canarias? Ok.. great then, but... Portugal! Pls, some attention to Portugal too.. CAUTION: Until now we don't know what will really come to Portugal. DEVs are still working.. we just saw the spanish map redraw till now (hope so).. because just adding Aveiro to Portugal is really dissapointing.. then I think that Braga/Guimarães (or even Minho) producing wool or wine, bordering Spain and not Porto... then inner province Bragança with wine, then Porto in costal zone producing wine... Then Aveiro, costal zone too, grain/fish.. inner province now: Beira (Viseu/Guarda or even Castelo Branco) producning wine; Leiria another costal province.. Fish or Naval Supplies (because we have the "Pinhal de Leiria").. Inner province: Coimbra, atention here pls: the University of Coimbra was founded in 1st March, of 1290 by the king D. Dinis I... Can we have it already built in 1444 when game starts? (And all the others that were built around Europe/world before 1444 ofc..) As I was saying, Coimbra producing grain; Lisboa, costal province and you know what to do in Lisboa then Santarém (or Ribatejo).. this one can have a port/shipyard in the Tejo's Estuary and could produce fish/wine or grain.. now a costal province: Setúbal with salt production.. then inner province Évora, producing wine.. Elvas another inner province.. little province but important in the estrategy of Portugal, producing cattle/grain/wine (or simply give, at least, an additional defensiveness in Évora refering the Elvas Fort if the province of Elvas itself won't be created).. Costal province: Beja producing wine or keep cattle, and the last one on mainland, Algarve producing fish or salt and then our archipelagos.. Madeira and Açores!

Some correction that should also be done:
1 - The Sea of Gulf of Cadiz doesn't bath all the Algarve and never bathes Beja or Lisboa.. Southern Lusitanian Sea does it;
2 - Macaronesia includes Açores; Madeira; Canárias and Cabo Verde.. Cabo Verde is a Macaronesian Zone. And the Roman Empire didn't need any of the 4 archipelagos... if RE needed them, it would never existe then. Btw we don't need to waste a "spot" to creat a State in the game on Cabo Verde islands if we have created the State already with Açores/Madeira or Canárias... When it comes to Arguim Province (this is with Cabo Verde in same state) you could include it in the Ifni/Agadir state or Trarza/Cayor state;
3 - Portuguese Ideas: The last one, The Cleanliness of Blood Laws, LIMPLEZA DE SANGRE... this is what you wrote there.. "LIMPLEZA" is a word that doesn't exist, is "LIMPEZA" what you mean.. and "Sangre" is spanish, "SANGUE" is the portuguese word then the correct words are "LIMPEZA DE SANGUE"! check it pls and write it correctly pls!
4 - Macau became a portuguese territory in 1553 by a Treat not by war. I THINK that in the game we just get it in the 1700's... we should have it if we start the game at least in 1554.
5 - If Guadiana River gives a boost in comerce power to Seville why it doesn't give it also to Algarve? Guadiana River bathes both regions and it was always a natural border between Algarve and Andaluzia (Seville in the game, that will become Huelva after the update).
6 - Sorry if there's any mistakes in my "English" (maybe some words XD )

Thank you.