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Stellaris Dev Diary #59: Megastructures

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Hello everyone and welcome to another Stellaris development diary. Today's dev diary is going to cover the headline feature of the Utopia Expansion that we announced mere hours ago: Megastructures.

Megastructures (Paid Feature)
Have you ever looked at a Fallen Empire's Ringworld and thought 'I want to build one of those?'. Well, so have we, and in the Utopia expansion you will be able to do so. Megastructures are massive multi-stage construction projects that require an enormous investment of resources and time but offer quite spectacular pay-offs. There are four Megastructures that you can build: The Ringworld, the Dyson Sphere, the Sentry Array and the Science Nexus. In order to build a Megastructure you will need to unlock a number of advanced technologies and pick the appropriate Ascension Perk. This will unlock the ability for your construction ship to build a Megastructure Construction Site in an appropriate location. The Construction Site alone is a project that takes a large amount of resources and takes several years to complete.
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Once you have built the Construction Site for a Megastructure, you will be able to upgrade it to the first construction stage for a Megastructure. For the Ringworld and Dyson Sphere, this is an initial frame that provides no benefit, while the Science Nexus and Sentry Array gets a partially completed structure that provides some of the benefit of the finished version. From here, you can upgrade the unfinished Megastructure to the next stage(s) by investing more time and resources. For the Dyson Sphere, Science Nexus and Sentry Array, you upgrade one stage at a time, with increasing benefits from each finished stage until you have the completed Megastructure. The Ringworld Frame has four segments that can all be upgraded into finished Ringworld Sections simultaneously.
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The four different Megastructures work as follows:

Ringworld: Can only be built around a planet-rich star in your borders and, once finished, provides four maximum size 100% habitable planets. The Ringworld construction project will consume all planets in the system to be used as building materials. Cannot be built around Black Holes, Pulsars or Neutron Stars.
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Dyson Sphere: Can only be built around a star in your borders and provides a huge amount of energy each month, with the amount increasing for each stage of the Dyson Sphere completed. Once completed, the Dyson Sphere will cool down the system, turning most planets there into frozen worlds. Cannot be built around Black Holes, Pulsars or Neutron Stars.
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Science Nexus: Can be built around any non-inhabitable non-moon non-asteroid planet (similar to Habitats) and provides a huge amount of science each month, with the amount increasing for each stage of the Science Nexus completed.
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Sentry Array: Can be built around any non-inhabitable non-moon non-asteroid planet (similar to Habitats) and functions as a sensor station, providing sensor range in a radius that grows for each stage of the Sentry Array completed. Once fully finished, it will give complete sensor view of the entire galaxy.
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Building a Megastructure is hardly a subtle affair, and once an empire starts construction on such a project, all other empires that have communications with them will be notified about the start, progression and completion of such a project. As monumental undertakings involving the resources of a whole empire, these projects can also have unintended political and diplomatic consequenses. Also, much like the Ringworlds already in the game, you are not the first civilization to conceive of the idea of Megastructures, and you may encounter ancient, ruined Megastructures while exploring.
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That's all for today! Next week we'll be talking about yet another feature of the Utopia expansion: Psionic Transcendance and The Shroud.
 
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Most if not all of which would be attached to habitats.

Given that he estimated you'd need to dismantle the inner system we'd need somewhere to live, right?

Not even close? The entire original concept was about looking the light frequencies of stars with telescopes. Looking at stars that pumped out mostly infrared light was a valuable idea at the time (1960) and remains so given the high population of red dwarf stars in the Milky Way. Dyson gives a little bit of talking about a hypothetical swarm of statites that modify the light output of a star.

He stole the idea from science fiction, though.

I suppose moderns get the idea from Star Trek these days but Dyson probably got the idea from '30s sci-fi, which all about HUGE technics and constructions.
 
I suppose moderns get the idea from Star Trek these days but Dyson probably got the idea from '30s sci-fi, which all about HUGE technics and constructions.

Indeed, Freeman Dyson has publicly credited the idea of a Dyson Sphere to Olaf Stapledon's 1937 novel Star Maker. In fact he would honestly prefer if we called it a Stapeldon Sphere.
 
utopia_stellaris_launcher_20170202.png

Hello everyone and welcome to another Stellaris development diary. Today's dev diary is going to cover the headline feature of the Utopia Expansion that we announced mere hours ago: Megastructures.

Megastructures (Paid Feature)
Have you ever looked at a Fallen Empire's Ringworld and thought 'I want to build one of those?'. Well, so have we, and in the Utopia expansion you will be able to do so. Megastructures are massive multi-stage construction projects that require an enormous investment of resources and time but offer quite spectacular pay-offs. There are four Megastructures that you can build: The Ringworld, the Dyson Sphere, the Sentry Array and the Science Nexus. In order to build a Megastructure you will need to unlock a number of advanced technologies and pick the appropriate Ascension Perk. This will unlock the ability for your construction ship to build a Megastructure Construction Site in an appropriate location. The Construction Site alone is a project that takes a large amount of resources and takes several years to complete.
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Once you have built the Construction Site for a Megastructure, you will be able to upgrade it to the first construction stage for a Megastructure. For the Ringworld and Dyson Sphere, this is an initial frame that provides no benefit, while the Science Nexus and Sentry Array gets a partially completed structure that provides some of the benefit of the finished version. From here, you can upgrade the unfinished Megastructure to the next stage(s) by investing more time and resources. For the Dyson Sphere, Science Nexus and Sentry Array, you upgrade one stage at a time, with increasing benefits from each finished stage until you have the completed Megastructure. The Ringworld Frame has four segments that can all be upgraded into finished Ringworld Sections simultaneously.
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The four different Megastructures work as follows:

Ringworld: Can only be built around a planet-rich star in your borders and, once finished, provides four maximum size 100% habitable planets. The Ringworld construction project will consume all planets in the system to be used as building materials. Cannot be built around Black Holes, Pulsars or Neutron Stars.
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Dyson Sphere: Can only be built around a star in your borders and provides a huge amount of energy each month, with the amount increasing for each stage of the Dyson Sphere completed. Once completed, the Dyson Sphere will cool down the system, turning most planets there into frozen worlds. Cannot be built around Black Holes, Pulsars or Neutron Stars.
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Science Nexus: Can be built around any non-inhabitable non-moon non-asteroid planet (similar to Habitats) and provides a huge amount of science each month, with the amount increasing for each stage of the Science Nexus completed.
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Sentry Array: Can be built around any non-inhabitable non-moon non-asteroid planet (similar to Habitats) and functions as a sensor station, providing sensor range in a radius that grows for each stage of the Sentry Array completed. Once fully finished, it will give complete sensor view of the entire galaxy.
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Building a Megastructure is hardly a subtle affair, and once an empire starts construction on such a project, all other empires that have communications with them will be notified about the start, progression and completion of such a project. As monumental undertakings involving the resources of a whole empire, these projects can also have unintended political and diplomatic consequenses. Also, much like the Ringworlds already in the game, you are not the first civilization to conceive of the idea of Megastructures, and you may encounter ancient, ruined Megastructures while exploring.
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That's all for today! Next week we'll be talking about yet another feature of the Utopia expansion: Psionic Transcendance and The Shroud.
I have been looking forward to this for a very, very long time. We need more mega structures! These 4 are great to start off with, but the more the merrier :D
 
I have been looking forward to this for a very, very long time. We need more mega structures! These 4 are great to start off with, but the more the merrier :D

I agree, I've been watching Babylon 5 since it was recommended on this forum. Just finished season 2 and I've been thinking. How about a megastructure for the xenophiles/pacifists that is essentially a space UN (like in the show). It would function like a slightly bigger habitat, including unique buildings (council chambers instead of planetary administration or whatever the central building is for habitats currently). You can also build alien sectors (possibly limited to # of empires in the federation, for balance and realism reasons), giving the owner increased trust growth, xenophilia, and flat +5 opinion modifier with everyone in the galaxy (not just federation members) so long as this building is being worked. This would be powerful for diplo lovers and give incentive to include more member empires. You can only build one space UN (per empire) and you must be in a federation and the president of the federation to start building it. Additionally, you can't build a space UN if your federation already has one. Ownership is tied to whoever the president is like federation fleets work currently. So perhaps this would be valuable in the next patch dealing with diplomacy that'll include federation unification and better federation election mechanics. Completing a space UN should give an opinion boost with everyone else in the federation, ensuring (with the new federation elections) that you'll be president for quite some time (barring unexpected changes in galactic politics). Perhaps this would work like the genocide diplo malus, you'd get a +100 opinion and lose 1 every year.

I think this would be a GREAT addition. Right now being a xenophile/pacifist multiculti democracy loving empire is too weak and boring. Having something like this exclusively available to empires willing to play nice would be a powerful tool for boosting trust and opinions and consequently getting certain treaties and deals pushed through. With the diplomacy update coming after Banks who knows how valuable a space UN would be.

Honestly the more I think about the more it seems like a logical next step for Stellaris. But this forum is fraught with suggestions that never come to fruition.
 
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I agree, I've been watching Babylon 5 since it was recommended in this forum. Just finished season 2 and I've been thinking. How about a megastructure for the xenophiles/pacifists that is essentially a space UN (like in the show). It would function like a slightly bigger habitat, including unique buildings (council chambers instead of planetary administration or whatever the central building is for habitats currently). You can also build alien sectors (possibly limited to # of empires in the federation, for balance and realism reasons), giving the owner increased trust growth, xenophilia, and flat +5 opinion modifier with everyone in the galaxy (not just federation members) so long as this building is being worked. This would be powerful for diplo lovers and give incentive to include more member empires. You can only build one space UN (per empire) and you must be in a federation and the president of the federation to start building it. Additionally, you can't build a space UN if your federation already has one. Ownership is tied to whoever the president is like federation fleets work currently. So perhaps this would be valuable in the next patch dealing with diplomacy that'll include federation unification and better federation election mechanics. Completing a space UN should give an opinion boost with everyone else in the federation, ensuring (with the new federation elections) that you'll be president for quite some time (barring unexpected changes in galactic politics). Perhaps this would work like the genocide diplo malus, you'd get a +100 opinion and lose 1 every year.

I think this would be a GREAT addition. Right now being a xenophile/pacifist multiculti democracy loving empire is too weak and boring. Having something like this exclusively available to empires willing to play nice would be a powerful tool for boosting trust and opinions and consequently getting certain treaties and deals pushed through. With the diplomacy update coming after Banks who knows how valuable a space UN would be.

Honestly the more I think about the more it seems like a logical next step for Stellaris. But this forum is fraught with suggestions that never come to fruition.
I was thinking more along the lines of shield worlds, essentially huge artificial worlds complete with a myriad of defenses and Gaia habitats, and that stuff. A space UN building would sound very nice however, and yes the xenophile/pacifist playstyle needs to be buffed massively. With tall empires in 1.5 coming up, they are getting a much needed boost!
Also make it so that event though its 100 opinion boost and -1 per year, have it so it only decreases to 20, with building the mega structure giving a permanent 20 point opinion boost for federation members, 15 for federation associates, 10 for non-fed or associates, and -10 for xenophobes that are non-fed or associates.

My concept of a shield world would effectively be a machine intelligence homeworld. It would even look like it, but still be different to be distinguishable. Huge bonus to science and energy, and 100% habitability, but no natural resources and poor food and mineral outputs (negative modifers for food and mineral buildings, unless its a mineral processing facility). Its a special tech you research (much like the other mega structures) and then it creates a huge frame around an existing planet (of any type, except special ones) in your empire and over a long period of time turns it into a 100% artificial world. It destroys the original planet and places the shield world in its place, with the shield worlds unique modifiers but losing all the original worlds modifiers, but keeps its moons etc. Think of it as a cheap ringworld with limitations, but some perks that help with tall empires (science, energy and military boosts etc.)

Then re-name the current shield worlds to prison worlds, where there can be great treasure or great evil within. Its a rare event chain thing.
 
Going to start season 3 soon. I felt like the first commander, Sinclaire, did the intro better and was overall a better actor and character. Eager to see more of him.

Compare Sinclaire and Sheridan is like compare Kirk and Piccard. It's always a tough choice.
Sinclaire was like a bang. It was easy to like him. But Sheridan has a nice development through the serie.
 
Blowing up a planet is bigger than blowing up a sun, blowing up a sun is relatively easy in theory, all you need is to disrupt it's gravity long enough for the push of the fusion to overcome the crunch of gravity and the sun will tear itself apart.


Our sun accounts for between 99.8 and 99.9% of the mass in our solar system. You could dump every planet in our solar system into the sun and it would barely notice.

If you reduce the gravitational field around a star its corona would expand and reduce the fusion rate in the core due to a number of factors. This would cause it to cool, which would then cause coronal contraction. Stars are remarkably stable things, until they run out of fuel.

So if you have a tool to make a star explode by reducing its gravitational field that dramatically, you can definitely use it to uttery destroy a planet.
 

Our sun accounts for between 99.8 and 99.9% of the mass in our solar system. You could dump every planet in our solar system into the sun and it would barely notice.

If you reduce the gravitational field around a star its corona would expand and reduce the fusion rate in the core due to a number of factors. This would cause it to cool, which would then cause coronal contraction. Stars are remarkably stable things, until they run out of fuel.

So if you have a tool to make a star explode by reducing its gravitational field that dramatically, you can definitely use it to uttery destroy a planet.

Which might be why the Nova Bombs from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, which canceled gravity, could blow up both stars and planets.
 
Which might be why the Nova Bombs from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, which canceled gravity, could blow up both stars and planets.
Since when could they blow up planets? I thought they blew up suns to blow up the planets around them. Also that star gate episode where they dumped an active gate dialed to a black hole into a star disrupting it's gravity and causing it to go supernova.
 
Since when could they blow up planets? I thought they blew up suns to blow up the planets around them. Also that star gate episode where they dumped an active gate dialed to a black hole into a star disrupting it's gravity and causing it to go supernova.

That insane ship in the first season blew up the planet her crew was on, in a later season Dylan Hunt exploded a planet the Pyrians were trying to terraform, and in the finale Earth was destroyed of course.
 
Also that star gate episode where they dumped an active gate dialed to a black hole into a star disrupting it's gravity and causing it to go supernova.
That was awesome. One of my favourite episodes. Not exactly scientifically accurate though.

Loss of gravity like that wouldn't cause a super nova. As stars run out of fuel they start to contract, which heats up their cores. As it heats up it's able to fuse higher elements and the star kind of restarts and the cycle starts again, moving up the elements as it goes. If a star is big enough it will eventually work it's way up to silicon fusion. Silicon fuses stupidly fast and as soon as it starts a star will use all of it's silicon fuel in just one day. Silicon fusion creates iron, the most stable element, which takes energy to fuse instead of releasing it. So fusion comes to an abrupt stop in the stars core, and the star gravitationally collapses at a significant fraction of the speed of light. This implosion causes the super nova. Just draining mass into a blackhole via a star gate would just strip the star of it's corona and leave a naked core (white dwarf). Something like this happens in reality with contact binaries, where one of the stars is a white dwarf, neutron star or black hole.
 
That was awesome. One of my favourite episodes. Not exactly scientifically accurate though.

Loss of gravity like that wouldn't cause a super nova. As stars run out of fuel they start to contract, which heats up their cores. As it heats up it's able to fuse higher elements and the star kind of restarts and the cycle starts again, moving up the elements as it goes. If a star is big enough it will eventually work it's way up to silicon fusion. Silicon fuses stupidly fast and as soon as it starts a star will use all of it's silicon fuel in just one day. Silicon fusion creates iron, the most stable element, which takes energy to fuse instead of releasing it. So fusion comes to an abrupt stop in the stars core, and the star gravitationally collapses at a significant fraction of the speed of light. This implosion causes the super nova. Just draining mass into a blackhole via a star gate would just strip the star of it's corona and leave a naked core (white dwarf). Something like this happens in reality with contact binaries, where one of the stars is a white dwarf, neutron star or black hole.
Eh except you didn't disprove what they did, you disproved it could not be done by removing the corona which is not what they did. The point was that that the removed matter from inside the star not from it's surface, that's a very major difference.
And I know how a star works, I'm a physicist. This is what I do. Yes destroyig a star wouldn't be easy but the fact that the star itself is a really really (^10) big nuke kept in control by it's own gravity makes it a lot easier than blowing up a planet. Which is simply a really really big chunck of rock that you would actually have to actually tear apart.
 
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Eh except you didn't disprove what they did, you disproved it could not be done by removing the corona which is not what they did. The point was that that the removed matter from inside the star not from it's surface, that's a very major difference.
And I know how a star works, I'm a physicist.
You're right, they dropped the gate into the star, so it would have taken mass from the convective layer, not the corona. Either way taking mass away from a star is just going to reduce the gravitational force on the core. It would reduce the pressure in the radiative and convective layers, causing the rate of fusion to slow, which would cool the star. So at most taking mass from a star with a star gate would change the stars class towards the cooler end. It wouldn't make it go nova.
 
You're right, they dropped the gate into the star, so it would have taken mass from the convective layer, not the corona. Either way taking mass away from a star is just going to reduce the gravitational force on the core. It would reduce the pressure in the radiative and convective layers, causing the rate of fusion to slow, which would cool the star. So at most taking mass from a star with a star gate would change the stars class towards the cooler end. It wouldn't make it go nova.
Depends on how quickly it happens. It would take time for the star to cool down, but the shift in gravity is much quicker. Just because you change the speed at which the star generates heat doesn't mean you change the heat.
 
Depends on how quickly it happens. It would take time for the star to cool down, but the shift in gravity is much quicker. Just because you change the speed at which the star generates heat doesn't mean you change the heat.
I concede that point. The Stefan–Boltzmann law shows it would take a hundred thousand years for our sun to cool by 1% if fusion were to suddenly stop. I'm still not seeing how sudden mass loss would cause a super nova though. What we're really talking about I guess, is having a star that has more explosive outward force than inwards gravitational force. Which is what happens the moment a star starts fusing a higher element. When our sun starts fusing helium, it'll rapidly expand and become a red giant, ultimately shedding one third of it's mass as the outer layers reach escape velocity. Isn't that what would happen in the case of draining mass with a star gate? What am I missing that could trigger a super nova?
 
I concede that point. The Stefan–Boltzmann law shows it would take a hundred thousand years for our sun to cool by 1% if fusion were to suddenly stop. I'm still not seeing how sudden mass loss would cause a super nova though. What we're really talking about I guess, is having a star that has more explosive outward force than inwards gravitational force. Which is what happens the moment a star starts fusing a higher element. When our sun starts fusing helium, it'll rapidly expand and become a red giant, ultimately shedding one third of it's mass as the outer layers reach escape velocity. Isn't that what would happen in the case of draining mass with a star gate? What am I missing that could trigger a super nova?

I just don't see how a Stargate could affect a star at all. Stargates are TINY. I guess the sun is super-high-pressure on the inside, but it's still like trying to drain the ocean through a hole 14 centimeters across. (if I did the math right)