Just realised the human empire used wormholes. Wonder who it could be...
Edit- also I just noticed the Commonwealth of Man's flag in the trailer so... yay I was right.
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Edit- also I just noticed the Commonwealth of Man's flag in the trailer so... yay I was right.
Only materialists can use synthetic while only spiritualist can use psi comic. And individualist no longer exists
The Praethoryn looks more like the result of a biological ascension that gone wrong.
That's actually a far leftist thing, not a trump thing (see gender, but I can point out tons of other examples).
While I agree with you that in this context a hive mind is not an ant colony, as defined by this game, there actually are definitions (literally from the dictionary) that support his argument.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hive-mind
noun
1.
the property of apparent sentience in acolony of social insects acting as a singleorganism, each insect performing aspecific role for the good of the group.
2.
Psychology, Sociology.
- a collective consciousness, analogousto the behavior of social insects, inwhich a group of people becomeaware of their commonality and thinkand act as a community, sharing theirknowledge, thoughts, and resources:
the global hive mind that hasemerged with sites like Twitter andFacebook. - such a group mentality characterizedby uncritical conformity and loss of asense of individuality and personalaccountability.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hive_mind
A hive mind or group mind may refer to a number of uses or concepts, ranging from positive to neutral and pejorative. Examples include:
- Collective consciousness or collective intelligence, concepts in sociology and philosophy
- Culture A collective of knowledge, art, artifacts, symbols and social ritual
- Groupthink, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome
- The apparent consciousness of colonies of social insects such as ants, bees and termites
- Swarm intelligence, the collective behaviour of decentralized, self-organized systems, natural or artificial
- Universal mind, a type of universal higher consciousness or source of being in some esoteric beliefs
- Group mind (science fiction), a type of collective consciousness
- Egregore, is a phenomenon in occultism which has been described as group mind
Let me be clear, I agree with most of your arguments on this BlackUmbrella, but it's false to say that his argument does not have merit. It's also wrong to accuse anyone of sounding like Trump supporters because of this because people will do what they want regardless of who they will support, and I have personally seen more people on the left back false science that fits their narrative, and reject any real scientific discussion if it was against their narrative.
So basically, every crisis that didn't originate from our galaxy is an ascension gone wrong:
Prethoryn are the result of failed biological ascension, creating horrifying monsters that can only mindlessly devour everything around them.
Unbidden are people turned into psi-stuff, so it's psionic ascension but someone screwed up at some point. Pacts with extradimensional creatures are never a good idea.
AI Rebellion doesn't fit because organics turned into synthetics won't do the typical AI rebellion stuff. But they did come from our player galaxy, not another galaxy or dimension.
Considering that we didn't have ascension paths in the past, this could technically mean that the Prethoryn and the Unbidden are actually from the future (from a point in the future where people had enough time to screw up their entire civilisation by ascending, after ascension was "discovered").
And if they're from the future, then what stops us from assuming that at least one of those crises is actually the player's main species from a distant point in time?
Oh, how I love the stories in this game! And now I can't stop thinking "isn't this technically somewhat like suicide?" when I defeat a crisis. Damnit.
Question:
Do Hive Mind still have pirates? I mean, it's just WE ARE ONE. There shouldn't be any traitors right?
And does three ascension paths has anything to do with three crisis? I mean, looks like Unbidden is the result of Psycho ascension, prethoryn the biological ascension, and AI the synthetic ascension. So will it be possible for players to finally be one of those three crisis or turn into the fourth crisis that threatens the whole galaxy?
Do Hive Mind still have pirates? I mean, it's just WE ARE ONE. There shouldn't be any traitors right?
And does three ascension paths has anything to do with three crisis? I mean, looks like Unbidden is the result of Psycho ascension, prethoryn the biological ascension, and AI the synthetic ascension. So will it be possible for players to finally be one of those three crisis or turn into the fourth crisis that threatens the whole galaxy?
Here's a list of the known civics so far:
Imperial Cult
Enviromentalist
Idealist Foundation
Meritocracy
Free Haven
Cutthroat Politics [+1 monthly influence]
Shadow Council
Fanatic Purifiers [+33% fire rate, +33 army damage] [DLC only]
Warrior Culture [+20% army damage]
Police State [-20 unrest]
Citizen Service
Syncretic Evolution [DLC only]
Slaver Guilds
Mechanists [DLC only]
Technocracy
Agrarian Idyll
Inwards Perfection
Nationalistic Zeal [+10% border range, +1 maximum rivals]
Mining Guilds [+10% empire minerals production]
Efficient Bureaucracy [+2 core sector systems]
Functional Architecture [-15% building cost]
Aristocratic Elite [-50% governor recruitment cost, +4 empire leader capacity]
Beacon of Liberty [+15% monthly unity]
Philosopher King
Distinguished Admiralty [+8% fire rate]
HIVEMIND CIVICS [DLC only]
One Mind
Ascetic
Subsumed Will
Subspace Ephapse
Natural Neural Network
Divided Attention
Imperial Cult
Enviromentalist
Idealist Foundation
Meritocracy
Free Haven
Cutthroat Politics [+1 monthly influence]
Shadow Council
Fanatic Purifiers [+33% fire rate, +33 army damage] [DLC only]
Warrior Culture [+20% army damage]
Police State [-20 unrest]
Citizen Service
Syncretic Evolution [DLC only]
Slaver Guilds
Mechanists [DLC only]
Technocracy
Agrarian Idyll
Inwards Perfection
Nationalistic Zeal [+10% border range, +1 maximum rivals]
Mining Guilds [+10% empire minerals production]
Efficient Bureaucracy [+2 core sector systems]
Functional Architecture [-15% building cost]
Aristocratic Elite [-50% governor recruitment cost, +4 empire leader capacity]
Beacon of Liberty [+15% monthly unity]
Philosopher King
Distinguished Admiralty [+8% fire rate]
HIVEMIND CIVICS [DLC only]
One Mind
Ascetic
Subsumed Will
Subspace Ephapse
Natural Neural Network
Divided Attention
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Not all ascension needs to gone wrong.... but sometimes sh@t happens! look at http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c1cd970e1876 and http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4817c2cc10200
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Remember that there are a disturbing number of dead interstellar empires in this galaxy.
Hmm, we can have nobles now, but still you've got Viceroyalties instead of feudalism.
Really? I post the actual dictionary terms and PROOF that hivemind can mean more than what you say and you guys just disagree without saying why?
And it's us that are rejecting evidence?
And it's us that are rejecting evidence?
That is the drawback of the respectfully disagree button, laziness.
I've never really quite understood exactly what a viceroy is. Is it just someone who is appointed to rule an area for life by someone higher?
Like I know how the CK II mechanics show it but have still never really grasped it. Is there a good sci-fi example? Would Dune be one?
My guess is that they simply don't have the time or enthusiasm to try and refute you, as is wont to happen into internet discussions due to their overall irrelevance to the daily lives of people, some people just get tired of a discussion and stop participating, sad but true.
It's also probably because of the sprinkling of unintentionally inflammatory words and phrases, especially regarding hot concepts like gender, especially as I am a trans woman myself (though I bear no ill will towards you), though to be fair your discussion partner was also being inflammatory themselves, and in a way that seems much more intentional than you.
Not taking sides here in the slightest, just saying reasons I think people would do that.
@Arkingilos
I am one of those who disagree with you.
Primarily because not everybody will see the terms "Hive Mind" the same way.
For example: English people will look at Gap and think cloth store. But in Russia Gap is bar. It is all about perspective.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english-russian/bar_1
However as for myself I see Hive Mind as something that has a centralized intelligence control large lot of bodies at once. IE Borg or MorningLightMountain or what not.
While Swarm Intelligence do share some components with Hive Mind. I will not go as far to call them the same thing.
Edit: Google link show up empty so changed to a dictionary one.
I am one of those who disagree with you.
Primarily because not everybody will see the terms "Hive Mind" the same way.
For example: English people will look at Gap and think cloth store. But in Russia Gap is bar. It is all about perspective.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english-russian/bar_1
However as for myself I see Hive Mind as something that has a centralized intelligence control large lot of bodies at once. IE Borg or MorningLightMountain or what not.
While Swarm Intelligence do share some components with Hive Mind. I will not go as far to call them the same thing.
Edit: Google link show up empty so changed to a dictionary one.
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But that was my point. I even said I agree with Black Umbrellas view on it, so my argument wasn't about which definition is right, my argument is that there *are* alternative and legitimate definitions other than the one that is used here. I was merely defending the fact that you can legitimately classify ants as a hivemind, regardless of if it's the definition used in this case. He would be wrong to call the Stellaris hivemind one, but right in the other things he said.
If you look at that whole exchange, and compare it to you analogy of Gap, it's like telling me that Gap in America isn't an apparel store because Gap where you live it's a bar. I'm not wrong just because you think it's a Bar.
If you look at the Russia spelling it is actually not even letter g but бар. It just looks like a g upside.
Otherwise I only have issues where the definition between swarm intelligence and hive mind gets mixed or confused for two distinct different things. Which is what my gap example is trying to show.
Otherwise I only have issues where the definition between swarm intelligence and hive mind gets mixed or confused for two distinct different things. Which is what my gap example is trying to show.
But swarm intelligence, as I have shown, is also known as a hivemind.
It's all about context. In the context of this game, it is not. But this game isn't the only context.
It's all about context. In the context of this game, it is not. But this game isn't the only context.
There lies my problem. Why bring in context that can cause confusion into a video game media? Especially with a major government pick.
Lets pick on Victoria 2 as an example. Let say that Gunboat Diplomacy is the "exact same thing" as shock and awe warfare. Despite using military means to "carry a big stick" in both case and they are not quite the same thing. Mostly because the later actually carry out the threat for real in a rapid fashion not possible during Victoria 2 era.
Lets pick on Victoria 2 as an example. Let say that Gunboat Diplomacy is the "exact same thing" as shock and awe warfare. Despite using military means to "carry a big stick" in both case and they are not quite the same thing. Mostly because the later actually carry out the threat for real in a rapid fashion not possible during Victoria 2 era.
It's brought up because he said the Aliens in Aliens are a hivemind and others said they weren't. He then described how they were, and it fits well within a legitimate definition.
Rather than refute it properly by saying this hivemind is the collective intelligence, they attacked him for using a valid definition they disagreed with.
He is wrong about what kind of hivemind is in this game, but right about ants and bees.
Do you see what I mean?