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Tinto Flavour #21 - 26th of May 2025

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Mondays (some), Tuesdays & Fridays in which we take a look at the flavour content of Europa Universalis V!

Today, we will take a look at the two most powerful Merchant Republics of Europe, Venice and Genoa!


Let’s start taking a look at Venice:

The Most Serene Republic of Venice is the most important and powerful of the merchant republics in the Mediterranean Sea. It controls important trade ports and islands in the Eastern Mediterranean, which form the Stado do Mar, and many inland territories in the North of Italy, which form the Domini di Terraferma.

Nonetheless, the lagoon city cannot lower its guard, as new threats arise around it. In the East, the once great Byzantine Empire will not easily forget the Fourth Crusade and the Venetian involvement in it. In the West, the Superb Republic of Genoa and the Crown of Aragon are continuing to expand their influence, conquering more territory and dominating trade routes. And at last, the Signoria of Verona have grown to be a noticeable threat to the Domini di Terraferma.

What will the future hold for the Most Serene Republic? Will it fall under the pressure of its enemies, or will it rise to the top and become the indisputable ruler of the Mare Nostrum?
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The 3 subjects of Venice are Candia, Ragusa, and Trieste. As usual, take any UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP.

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As you may have seen in one of my forum posts or Reddit, Venice is now an island! Here you also have the full extension of its Stado de Mar, with all its subjects (which, at the highest zoom levels, have their name replaced by that of the overlord, as it happens here with Candia).​

Venice is a very unique Republic, which starts with some unique reforms and privileges at the start of the game:
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It also hosts some works of art, some of them sacked from Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade:
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Here is a selection of the advances available for Venice:
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Venice Advance Thalassocracy.png

Venice Advance Stato do Mar.png

Venice Advance Venetian Palaces.png

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Venice Advance Magistrato alla Sanita.png

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And a few of its flavour events:
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Venice Building Piazza San Marco.png


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Venice Reform Promissione Ducale.png


Venice Event Tizziano.png


Let’s now take a look at Genoa:

The city of Genoa stands out as the most important commercial port in the Western Mediterranean, its Republic having expanded its influence overseas through trade and war.

After defeating the Republic of Pisa, it gained the island of Corsica and established a foothold in Sardinia. However, this might have been a poisonous gift, as it may now face not only the opposition of its inhabitants, but also that of King Pere IV the Ceremonious de Barcelona, self-proclaimed sovereign of both islands.

Another challenge may arise from the east, as a network of possessions has created the conditions for a commercial dominance over the Black Sea, centered around the port of Kaffa; although dangerous neighbors such as Venice, Byzantium, or the Golden Horde might be a threat.

Relying on our numerous Fondaco and wealthy bankers, will Genoa overcome these challenges?
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The Genoese ‘mainlad’, plus its Mediterranean possessions.​

Genoa also starts with a couple of unique reforms:
Genoa Refomr Diarchy Republic.png

Genoa Reform compagna Comunis.png

Since we’re not able to have two or more rulers for a country in the game, we’re portraying the Genoese Diarchy by having Galeotto Spinola and Raffaello Doria present as characters at start, and the bonuses you see in the reform.​

Genoa also starts with some Works of Art:
Genoa Works of Art.png

It also has a quite important unique building:
Genoa Building Fondaco.png

And here you have some of the unique advances:
Genoa Advance Banking Traditions.png

Genoa Advance Slave Galleys.png

Genoa Building Slave Barracks.png

Genoa Advance Genoese Galley.png

Genoa Unit Genoese Galley.png

Genoa Advance Genoese Crossbowmen.png

Genoa Advance 28 Alberghi.png

Genoa Reform 28 Alberghi.png

Genoa Advance The Age of the Genoese.png

Here you have some of the flavour events of Genoa:
Genoa Event Merchant Republic.png

Genoa Event Merchant Republic2.png

Genoa Event Merchant Republic3.png

Genoa Event Merchant Republic4.png


Genoa Event Monaco.png

Genoa Building Rock of Monaco.png


Genoa Event Andrea Doria.png

Event Doge Andrea Doria.png

Genoa Reform Great and Minor Councils.png

An old EU4 friend, coming back in a revisited form!​

Oh, and last, but not least, and related to the Byzantine content that we’ll take a look at on Friday, both countries have some unique foreign buildings in Constantinople:
Venice Building Venetian Quarter.png

Genoa Building Galata.png

… And much more, but that’s all for today! And tomorrow, there will be a Tinto Flavour devoted to Serbia and Georgia!

And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!
 
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Pavía said:
This is what you can see at the start with a Mediterranean Christian country (we considered that the knowledge was kind of common by the mid 14th century, as the 'Catalan Atlas' and other portulans show:
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As usual, this isn't final, neither the map itself, nor the terra incognita background.
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Some feedback:
-The transition between the terra incognita and the known land is feels too sudden and chopy
-I would prefer it if the outline of the landmasses wasn't visible under the Terra incognita.
-I would prefer if the TI was a bit lighter in colour.

-I don't think christian mediterraneans should know about the interior of the arabian peninsula, I would make all non coastal provinces in arabia TI.
 
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Can the Venetians or Genoa help construct a canal in Egypt if they have enough resources and control/have positive diplomatic relations with Egypt? The Venetians did express interest in building one in response to the Portuguese circumnavigation of Africa.
 
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Birchinjaro said:
It can get confused with Naples especially with their vassals in Greece so people are suggesting to make it red
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and have another red nation next to albania, hungary, serbia, florence, and many ulm's in italy? I'd say it is good as it is now. It's down to personal preference it seems to me, nothing to do with confusion, because i for one see clear difference in colour between venice and naples.
 
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Candia's flag seems to be based on its Coa but it's wrong, this down here was its Coa
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Ragusa's flag here is also based on its hiatorical Coa and this case it's correct but very generic(as it's based on the Arpad coa), as such I suggest using their actual flag which was already in use at the time
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Trepanator said:
and have another red nation next to albania, hungary, serbia, florence, and many ulm's in italy? I'd say it is good as it is now. It's down to personal preference it seems to me, nothing to do with confusion, because i for one see clear difference in colour between venice and naples.
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I disagree tbh, I think they are too similar, naples should have stayed purple, I get that it's because of byzantium but they are gonna be dead soon anyways in 90% of the games
 
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Trepanator said:
Does Constantinople have to fall specifically to Muslims for the event to fire or it happens also if it falls to Christians. Bulgarians, Serbs or Hungarians and the like for example?
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Not owned by Byzantium or Venice.
 
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Zaragoza said:
Any content regarding:
  • Genoese conflicts for Sardinia? And in general, Genoa competition with the crown of Aragon in the Western Mediterranean sea at the game start?
  • Genoese outpost in northern Africa?
  • Genoese slave from Kaffa?
  • Genoese and Venetian trading in cotton from Outemer at the game start? It was a major economic driver in the period
  • Genoa and Venetia joining Holy Leagues with Spain/Hospitalliers/Papacy if the Ottomans expand?
I'm assuming all the Venetian events regarding the Ottomans/mamlucks (Morea, Alexandria...) were ported. But I still feel Genoa lacked a bit of content and the earlier start date opens new avenues.
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1 to 4 are already handled by the game mechanics.
5, there's an event chain for the Holy League if the Ottomans have conquered Constantinople, and it's at least year 1500.
 
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Inspecta said:
Hm, the Italian characters look much more like I expected italians to look. Does "ethnicity" presets you have in this game still regional? Aka will Italians look different from Eastern Slavs? Will Central Asian Turkic people look different from Turks in Anatolia?

Kinda shame that you didn't made generic presets for European regions, but I at least hope that in terms of genetics these characters would look different.
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Yes, many different ethnicities (facial structure, pigmentation) will be in the base game. We are currently working through the broad strokes but yes we currently have it diverse enough that Russian people look genetically distinct from Genoans, while Turks look different from Levantines.
 
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Pangloss110 said:
I talked about this in Carpathia and Balkans but it's regarding Ragusa and Dalmatia so it makes sense to post it here:
1. What is the common language in Ragusa (it used to be Italian but it should be Galo-Italic)
2. If the the court language in Venice is Galo-Italic why is in Ragusa just Italian, I mean it could pass but it makes sense to have it the same as its overlord.
3. If you see the Dalmatian coast on a map you'll see a bunch of islands and coves, I know it can't be bright green natural coast but it really shouldn't be black.
4. A bit of a personal issue but the greyish color of Ragusa kinda makes it low visible in 2D.
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1 & 2: There's a Dalmatian dialect, which is part of the Italian language. Thus, that's why it's the Dominant and Court language. IIRC, Dalmatian was cultivated in Ragusa in the 14 and 15th centuries, and thus why we decided to keep it as court language, instead of Gallo-Italic.
 
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Pavía said:
We want to have the old HRE-related kingdoms (Germany, Burgundy, and Italy) to be able to be granted by the HRE Emperor, as we think it's a decent compromise on the 'plausible' historical setting.
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To be fair I don't think there is any chance the emperor would give away the kingdom of the germans. I feel like you should have to dissolve the hre to unify Germany.
 
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Pavía said:
Oof, the origin of Christopher Columbus, I'm not willing to get into that rabbit hole... We're following here the 100% accurate historical data, so there's an event in which Columbus offers his services to Portugal, and in case of being rejected (which is the historical, AI-default option), then he goes to Castile/Spain.
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What if you reject him while playing Castille/Spain?
 
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