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Tinto Maps #10 - 12th of July 2024 - Syrian Levant & Egypt

Hello everyone, and welcome to another Tinto Maps! We’re back after celebrating the most important victories over Germany and France since the 30 Years War a hard week of work, and we’re ready to share with you the region of the Syrian Levant & Egypt (actually, we’re revealing a bit more of what those regions would be, to cover the complete extension of the Mamlūk Sultanate). Let’s go!

Countries:
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The Mamlūk Sultanate is the main power of the region, a situation achieved after the defeat of the Mongols at the Battles of Ain Jalut and Marj al-Saffar, and the fall of Acre, the last stronghold of the Crusader states in Outremer. The latter's legacy is still handled by the Kingdom of Cyprus, ruled by Hugues IV of Lusignan. Apart from that, we can see the realm of Candia, a subject governed by the Serene Republic of Venice, and some Arabic tribes, such as the Hutaym and the Anizah. Oh, and also, to the south-west, you might have noticed some oases ruled by either the Mamluks, or Fezzan; I opted for not coloring the wastelands, as usual, but also the corridors, a type of terrain present in other GSGs, that we have in Project Caesar. I’ll talk more about them under the ‘Locations’ section of the DD, but I just want to note one more thing: the connection down the Nile is a regular one, with a border existing between the Mamluks and Makuria (the country that controls the small chunk of land at the very south of the image).

Dynasties:
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The Bahri Mamluks have ruled the Sultanate since they deposed the Ayyubids, almost a century before the start of the game. It could maybe be a bit more accurate to depict Sultan al-Nasir Muhammad as an ibn Qalawun (‘of the lineage of Qalawun’), but the dynastical dynamics of the Mamluk rulers are not so easy to portray, so we opted for the moment to better use Bahriyya. Apart from that, you may also see the neighboring dynasties, such as the already-mentioned House of Lusignan, or the Hethumian of Cilicia.

Locations:
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Here you can see the locations of the entire region, and also closer chunks behind the ‘Spoiler’ button. The most interesting feature to talk about is that of the corridors, something that some of you might remember from ‘Imperator: Rome’, but also something new to the rest. The corridors are empty locations, with no population or resources, but that allows connection between the locations at their sides, for some mechanics that we’ve already mentioned (market access, control), and some others that we haven’t (army movement). This is the way that we’ve chosen to portray the Saharan corridors, that allow for a connection between the Maghreb and the Mashreq, and Western and Central Africa. There are also some regular locations over those corridors, with population, resources, etc., that can be controlled by countries, which portray the desert oases that made for important outposts in the different Saharan routes. Not all the connections are throughout corridors, though; outside of the image, the Nile River valley allows for regular locations all the way down from Egypt to Nubia, the last location held by the Mamluks being that of Aswan, while the first held by Makuria, not shown in the screenshot, being Qasr Ibrim. We will talk more about Nubia and Ethiopia in a future Tinto Maps.

Provinces:
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Usual provinces mapmode; please let us know of any spelling or naming suggestions that come to your mind.

Areas:
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A new mapmode that has been requested in previous Tinto Maps, and that we’re now incorporating.

Terrain:
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The climate is dominated by a mix of Mediterranean, Arid, and Cold Arid. The topography of the region is quite flat, with some hills and mountains on Mount Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon, Mount Sinai, and the verge of the Arabian plateau; and some marshland over the Nile Delta, of course. Regarding the vegetation, desert and sparse vegetation dominate most of the region, with some woods and forests over Levant, and the Nile fertile farmlands, the bread basket of the Eastern Mediterranean.

Cultures:
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Here starts the fun… Those countries ruling over the Middle East will face the challenge of managing several different cultural minorities. Libyan, Egyptian, Sa'idi, Bedouin, Ḥijāzī, Najidi (the green one to their right), Levantine, and Iraqi (the light blue at the top right of the picture) are all different regional cultures of Arabic-speaking people. Something interesting is that most of Bedouin pops are tribesmen, instead of peasants, portraying their traditional social organization. Coming to important minority groups, Coptic people are quite important in Egypt, accounting for about 10% of the population of the Mamlūk Sultanate. The other important minority are the Syriacs, as they also account for another 10% of the population, and are a cultural majority in a few locations. Apart from those, there are also Armenians, Kurds, and Turkomans on the divide between Anatolia, Syria, and Jazira, Alawites Shiites in Syria, Mizrahi Jews all over the region, Samaritans in Palestine, and Greeks in Crete, Cyprus, and some in Alexandria. Oh, also the Saharan cultures of the Eastern Berbers and the Toubou over some of the Saharan oases.

Religions:
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More fun. In this region, we have:
  • Sunni Muslims
  • Miaphysite Christians
  • Orthodox Christians
  • Shia Muslims
  • Catholic Christians
  • Druzes
  • Jews
  • Nestorian Christians (the ‘label’ we’re using to depict the Church of the East)
  • Samaritans
  • Yazidi

Relating these religions to the previous cultures, we can tell you most of the Arabic-speaking cultures are Sunni Muslims, with some Shia Muslims in Syria and Lebanon. Most of the Coptic are Miaphysite, adhering to the Patriarchate of Alexandria, although some of there still follow the Orthodoxy of Constantinople. The Syriacs are also religiously divided, with some being Nestorians (the current name we have to cover the confessions related to the Church of the East), some Miaphysites, some Orthodox, and even some Catholics in Lebanon. And then we have some cultural-religious minorities, such as the Alawite Shiites, the Druzes (which are of Levantine culture), the Mizrahi Jews, the Samaritans, and the Yazidi (which are of Kurd culture).


Raw Materials:
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There are some materials that are more unique to this region, such as the Dates in the arid fringes. The Nile Valley and Delta are incredibly fertile, having plenty of different crops: Wheat, Rice, Legumes, Sugar, Cotton, Fiber Crops (=Linen), etc. Livestock, Wool, and Horses are also important resources for the people across the region. There are also some metals present in the region, such as Copper in Cyprus and around the Red Sea, Iron, Tin, some Lead, and some interesting sources of Alum.

Markets:
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The main market centers of the region are Alexandria (yeah, it’s there! I’ve already reported its weird name-wrapping and one of our programmers is going to take a look at it) for the Mashreq, Damascus for the Syrian Levant and Mecca for the Hejaz.

Country and Location Population:
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The population of the region points to Egypt being its powerhouse, with several million people being supported being the Nile Valley and Delta. Apart from that, the Syrian Levant has a very decent population, making the Mamlūk Sultanate a dreadful rival to have in 1337. The arid fringes make for a way more difficult food production and population sustainability, making them more of strategic value, by their position, resources, etc.

And that’s all for today! Next week @Johan will show you Scandinavia, the very first map that was crafted for Project Caesar! Cheers!
 
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How are the Maronites represented? Just normal Catholics, or something else?

Really hoping for a proper representation of Eastern Catholicism!
Currently, they're Catholics, yes:
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What happened to Cyprus' beautiful yellow-like color?

Also, is this the thread for some Aegaen feedback? ;)
Better use last week's Tinto Maps, please. ;)
 
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This is looking pretty awesome!
- Why is Ḥijāzī a transliteration of the Arabic name, but then you have names like Egyptian, Libyan and Levantine? I appreciate the effort, but I'd honestly just stick with the English names.
- Libyan is out of timeframe as a name - I'd suggest Tripolitanian, as the Ottoman Regency of Tripoli ruled most of modern Libya. Super happy it's finally in the game instead of an awkward split between Egyptian and Tunisian though.
- Is Najidi a typo? It should be Najdi, without the i in the middle.
- What are the blue cultural minorities in Al Majdal? Samaritans? or crusader descendants? It might just not show on the map, but shouldn't Samaritans be concetrated around Nablus?
- Why did you choose to represent Alawites as Shiites? Indeed they originated from Shiism, but they were considered disbelievers by mainstream Shiite scholars, and they are extremely heterodox, apparently allowing alcohol, believing in reincarnation and a trinity, and didn't even have mosques before Baibars tried to force them to build them. I think at least they should be a distinct sect of Islam.
- The location names are all over the place, some are highly faithful transliterations of Arabic, some are English names, and some are Arabic but are missing diacritics. You need to settle on one transliteration standard. Also, Hebron and Beersheba are very Hebrew - certainly wouldn't have been used by the Mamluk rulers, and not really relevant enough for me to brush them aside as "the English version just comes from Hebrew". I could type up a list of locations which are lacking accurate transliterations, but this is an issue solvable with Wikipedia.
- A separate Sa'idi culture is cool, but it raises the question of whether Levantine and Iraqi (or even Yemeni) should be subdivided as well. They are not monolithic dialects, they are continua.
- I hope that tribesmen aren't limited to the Bedouin culture. Bedouins (portrayed by tribesmen) should be the majority of the population in Saudi Arabia and exist throughout the Arabian peninsula and Arab Iraq. Anizah, Hutaym, Dawasir, Mahra, Shammar are all bedouin tribes.
- I'm not sure what qualifies Alawites as a cultural minority rather than a religious one. They don't have a distinct language, only a distinct accent within Shami/Levantine, just like different parts of the region.
 
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Your Arabic romanization is all over the place.... you seem to use both ⟨j⟩ and ⟨ǧ⟩ for the ج sound for instance. It's imperative you guys pick just one standard and stick with it imo.
I agree (unless they're going to have g for Egyptian dynamic names) - I also think I see (Tarabulus al-)Sham, Shaam, and an area starting with Ša.

Another vote for ALA-LC as well!
 
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Quick question!
I love the oasis, and the open space around them, but it seems to me that the "desert bridges" between them is blending into the political mapmode a little too well.

Is that just these pictures, or maybe a setting to increase the visibility of them? Cause I could see that being a little annoying trying to see where you're pathing
It's easier to differentiate it at a closer zoom level, at which you would actually be more likely moving your armies:
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I hope all those deserts will be open for some sort of colonization or that region while historically accurate will be incredibly unfun.
That doesn't make any sense. This is like complaining the Atlantic Ocean is too big and boring. You can't 'colonize' sub 100mm rainfall regions with no native water sources.
 
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Greetings, this is the first time I write in any Pdx forum about anything, I have a minor nitpick about the location of Rethymnon in Crete. The largest and tallest mountain in the island (Mount Ida or Psilorits) is in Rethymno, and thus the terrain should be Mountains rather than Hills. Also, is there going to be a seperate Aegean Islands Tinto Maps ? Being from one of the islands myself, I'd like to help if you have any trouble with which islands to keep as seperate locations and which you can merge together to save some locations xd
 
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looks good :)

Two small things :
- the "area" border between Lower Egypt and Upper Egypt looks really strange, from everything I find, it should be somewhere between Cairo and Faiyoum, not 250-ish km south of there as it is now. For the red sea coast, I don't know, but maybe it can be added to Suez (it's still by the Gulf of Suez)
- the provinces in the delta have huge populations, wouldn't it make more sense to make them smaller ?
 
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I guess that it may be considered a part of Scandinavia, but @Johan might have a strong opinion about this...
...I will not stand for this cultural erasure! We are the proud deposits of Norwegian glaciers. And even if it was not comparable to that of Hadrian's, we did build a wall to keep the Germans out, so please don't lump us in with those savage southerners.
 
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Still only one Shiite religion it seems....

I also question Najdi and Bedouin being on the map on the same time. Bedouins are just Arabs who live a nomadic lifestyle, Najdi Arabs are Bedouins.

Will there be any mechanics to represent the unique situation of the Mamluk monarchy, where a Mamluk usually coups the throne and has his descendants rule for a bit until getting couped by another Mamluk but it's all considered part of the same "dynasty" if the Mamluks are of ethnic origin?

Will there be anything to represent the Abbasid Caliph in Cairo?
 
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This is look pretty awesome!
- Why is Hijazi a transliteration of the Arabic name, but then you have names like Egyptian, Libyan and Levantine? I'd honestly just stick with the English names.
- Libyan is out of timeframe as a name - I'd suggest Tripolitanian, as the Ottoman Regency of Tripoli ruled most of modern Libya. Super happy it's finally in the game instead of an awkward split between Egyptian and Tunisian though.
- Is Najidi a typo? It should be Najdi, without the i in the middle.
- What are the blue cultural minorities in Al Majdal? Samaritans? or crusader descendants? It might just not show on the map, but shouldn't Samaritans be concetrated around Nablus?
- Why did you choose to represent Alawites as Shiites? Indeed they originated from Shiism, but they were considered disbelievers by mainstream Shiite scholars, and they are extremely heterodox, apparently allowing alcohol, believing in reincarnation and a trinity, and didn't even have mosques in the 14th century. I think at least they should be a distinct sect of Islam.
Thanks for your feedback! The blue stripes in Al Majdal are Mizrahi Jews, which account for 15% of the population in the location.
 
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I don’t know why, but I have an irrational hatred of green Cyprus. It looks disgusting.

Anyways, looking forward to flooding the Scandinavia thread with feedback about Finland, as part of my patriotic duty.
 
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I am surprised so much of the Mameluks is represented as under direct control instead of some sort of subject. Could be correct, I don't know much about them, but it feels wrong. In Europe during that time, true direct control was rare, and here distances are much greater, which should make direct control more of a challenge.
 
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This is look pretty awesome!
- Why is Hijazi a transliteration of the Arabic name, but then you have names like Egyptian, Libyan and Levantine? I'd honestly just stick with the English names.
- Libyan is out of timeframe as a name - I'd suggest Tripolitanian, as the Ottoman Regency of Tripoli ruled most of modern Libya. Super happy it's finally in the game instead of an awkward split between Egyptian and Tunisian though.
- Is Najidi a typo? It should be Najdi, without the i in the middle.
- What are the blue cultural minorities in Al Majdal? Samaritans? or crusader descendants? It might just not show on the map, but shouldn't Samaritans be concetrated around Nablus?
- Why did you choose to represent Alawites as Shiites? Indeed they originated from Shiism, but they were considered disbelievers by mainstream Shiite scholars, and they are extremely heterodox, apparently allowing alcohol, believing in reincarnation and a trinity, and didn't even have mosques in the 14th century. I think at least they should be a distinct sect of Islam.
Seems like they're choosing to represent Alawites as a culture rather than representing them as a religion. Which is probably fine.

Worth mentioning that "Alawite" is a neologism, the term "Nusayrite" (after their founder) was used by themselves and others at this time, the issue is that I think it's a bit offensive nowadays.
 
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Areas division in Egypt is just wrong.

Lower Egypt ends just south of Cairo, Upper Egypt certainly doesn't reach Cyrenaica (neither reaches territories away from Nile). I understand that you had to fit Western Oases province somewhere, maybe you can create area of Libyan Desert and include it within it?
 
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Still only one Shiite religion it seems....

I also question Najdi and Bedouin being on the map on the same time. Bedouins are just Arabs who live a nomadic lifestyle, Najdi Arabs are Bedouins.

Will there be any mechanics to represent the unique situation of the Mamluk monarchy, where a Mamluk usually coups the throne and has his descendants rule for a bit until getting couped by another Mamluk but it's all considered part of the same "dynasty" if the Mamluks are of ethnic origin?

Will there be anything to represent the Abbasid Caliph in Cairo?
We have some interesting mechanics for the Mamluks, yes.
 
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