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Tinto Maps #10 - 12th of July 2024 - Syrian Levant & Egypt

Hello everyone, and welcome to another Tinto Maps! We’re back after celebrating the most important victories over Germany and France since the 30 Years War a hard week of work, and we’re ready to share with you the region of the Syrian Levant & Egypt (actually, we’re revealing a bit more of what those regions would be, to cover the complete extension of the Mamlūk Sultanate). Let’s go!

Countries:
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The Mamlūk Sultanate is the main power of the region, a situation achieved after the defeat of the Mongols at the Battles of Ain Jalut and Marj al-Saffar, and the fall of Acre, the last stronghold of the Crusader states in Outremer. The latter's legacy is still handled by the Kingdom of Cyprus, ruled by Hugues IV of Lusignan. Apart from that, we can see the realm of Candia, a subject governed by the Serene Republic of Venice, and some Arabic tribes, such as the Hutaym and the Anizah. Oh, and also, to the south-west, you might have noticed some oases ruled by either the Mamluks, or Fezzan; I opted for not coloring the wastelands, as usual, but also the corridors, a type of terrain present in other GSGs, that we have in Project Caesar. I’ll talk more about them under the ‘Locations’ section of the DD, but I just want to note one more thing: the connection down the Nile is a regular one, with a border existing between the Mamluks and Makuria (the country that controls the small chunk of land at the very south of the image).

Dynasties:
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The Bahri Mamluks have ruled the Sultanate since they deposed the Ayyubids, almost a century before the start of the game. It could maybe be a bit more accurate to depict Sultan al-Nasir Muhammad as an ibn Qalawun (‘of the lineage of Qalawun’), but the dynastical dynamics of the Mamluk rulers are not so easy to portray, so we opted for the moment to better use Bahriyya. Apart from that, you may also see the neighboring dynasties, such as the already-mentioned House of Lusignan, or the Hethumian of Cilicia.

Locations:
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Here you can see the locations of the entire region, and also closer chunks behind the ‘Spoiler’ button. The most interesting feature to talk about is that of the corridors, something that some of you might remember from ‘Imperator: Rome’, but also something new to the rest. The corridors are empty locations, with no population or resources, but that allows connection between the locations at their sides, for some mechanics that we’ve already mentioned (market access, control), and some others that we haven’t (army movement). This is the way that we’ve chosen to portray the Saharan corridors, that allow for a connection between the Maghreb and the Mashreq, and Western and Central Africa. There are also some regular locations over those corridors, with population, resources, etc., that can be controlled by countries, which portray the desert oases that made for important outposts in the different Saharan routes. Not all the connections are throughout corridors, though; outside of the image, the Nile River valley allows for regular locations all the way down from Egypt to Nubia, the last location held by the Mamluks being that of Aswan, while the first held by Makuria, not shown in the screenshot, being Qasr Ibrim. We will talk more about Nubia and Ethiopia in a future Tinto Maps.

Provinces:
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Usual provinces mapmode; please let us know of any spelling or naming suggestions that come to your mind.

Areas:
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A new mapmode that has been requested in previous Tinto Maps, and that we’re now incorporating.

Terrain:
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The climate is dominated by a mix of Mediterranean, Arid, and Cold Arid. The topography of the region is quite flat, with some hills and mountains on Mount Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon, Mount Sinai, and the verge of the Arabian plateau; and some marshland over the Nile Delta, of course. Regarding the vegetation, desert and sparse vegetation dominate most of the region, with some woods and forests over Levant, and the Nile fertile farmlands, the bread basket of the Eastern Mediterranean.

Cultures:
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Here starts the fun… Those countries ruling over the Middle East will face the challenge of managing several different cultural minorities. Libyan, Egyptian, Sa'idi, Bedouin, Ḥijāzī, Najidi (the green one to their right), Levantine, and Iraqi (the light blue at the top right of the picture) are all different regional cultures of Arabic-speaking people. Something interesting is that most of Bedouin pops are tribesmen, instead of peasants, portraying their traditional social organization. Coming to important minority groups, Coptic people are quite important in Egypt, accounting for about 10% of the population of the Mamlūk Sultanate. The other important minority are the Syriacs, as they also account for another 10% of the population, and are a cultural majority in a few locations. Apart from those, there are also Armenians, Kurds, and Turkomans on the divide between Anatolia, Syria, and Jazira, Alawites Shiites in Syria, Mizrahi Jews all over the region, Samaritans in Palestine, and Greeks in Crete, Cyprus, and some in Alexandria. Oh, also the Saharan cultures of the Eastern Berbers and the Toubou over some of the Saharan oases.

Religions:
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More fun. In this region, we have:
  • Sunni Muslims
  • Miaphysite Christians
  • Orthodox Christians
  • Shia Muslims
  • Catholic Christians
  • Druzes
  • Jews
  • Nestorian Christians (the ‘label’ we’re using to depict the Church of the East)
  • Samaritans
  • Yazidi

Relating these religions to the previous cultures, we can tell you most of the Arabic-speaking cultures are Sunni Muslims, with some Shia Muslims in Syria and Lebanon. Most of the Coptic are Miaphysite, adhering to the Patriarchate of Alexandria, although some of there still follow the Orthodoxy of Constantinople. The Syriacs are also religiously divided, with some being Nestorians (the current name we have to cover the confessions related to the Church of the East), some Miaphysites, some Orthodox, and even some Catholics in Lebanon. And then we have some cultural-religious minorities, such as the Alawite Shiites, the Druzes (which are of Levantine culture), the Mizrahi Jews, the Samaritans, and the Yazidi (which are of Kurd culture).


Raw Materials:
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There are some materials that are more unique to this region, such as the Dates in the arid fringes. The Nile Valley and Delta are incredibly fertile, having plenty of different crops: Wheat, Rice, Legumes, Sugar, Cotton, Fiber Crops (=Linen), etc. Livestock, Wool, and Horses are also important resources for the people across the region. There are also some metals present in the region, such as Copper in Cyprus and around the Red Sea, Iron, Tin, some Lead, and some interesting sources of Alum.

Markets:
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The main market centers of the region are Alexandria (yeah, it’s there! I’ve already reported its weird name-wrapping and one of our programmers is going to take a look at it) for the Mashreq, Damascus for the Syrian Levant and Mecca for the Hejaz.

Country and Location Population:
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The population of the region points to Egypt being its powerhouse, with several million people being supported being the Nile Valley and Delta. Apart from that, the Syrian Levant has a very decent population, making the Mamlūk Sultanate a dreadful rival to have in 1337. The arid fringes make for a way more difficult food production and population sustainability, making them more of strategic value, by their position, resources, etc.

And that’s all for today! Next week @Johan will show you Scandinavia, the very first map that was crafted for Project Caesar! Cheers!
 
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How are the Maronites represented? Just normal Catholics, or something else?

Really hoping for a proper representation of Eastern Catholicism!
I also really hope that Eastern-Catholics or Non-Latin Rites in general will be represented in an interesting way. Maybe akin to how the different patriarchies work in Orthodoxy ingame.

Imagine that if you as a Catholic Nation invaded a large Orthodox territory you could petition the pope to basically create a Rival to a matching Orthodox Patriarchate to create a new Eastern Catholic Church.
 
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Could you make it so the Nile splits more on the delta, at least visually? It's pretty awkward for the Nile to not spread out to encompass the entire delta but be relegated to one tributary.
 
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- Why did you choose to represent Alawites as Shiites? Indeed they originated from Shiism, but they were considered disbelievers by mainstream Shiite scholars, and they are extremely heterodox, apparently allowing alcohol, believing in reincarnation and a trinity, and didn't even have mosques before Baibars tried to force them to build them. I think at least they should be a distinct sect of Islam.
Still only one Shiite religion it seems....

I also question Najdi and Bedouin being on the map on the same time. Bedouins are just Arabs who live a nomadic lifestyle, Najdi Arabs are Bedouins.

Will there be any mechanics to represent the unique situation of the Mamluk monarchy, where a Mamluk usually coups the throne and has his descendants rule for a bit until getting couped by another Mamluk but it's all considered part of the same "dynasty" if the Mamluks are of ethnic origin?

Will there be anything to represent the Abbasid Caliph in Cairo?
Seems like they're choosing to represent Alawites as a culture rather than representing them as a religion. Which is probably fine.

Worth mentioning that "Alawite" is a neologism, the term "Nusayrite" (after their founder) was used by themselves and others at this time, the issue is that I think it's a bit offensive nowadays.
Shiites will be internally divided, as we want to portray the differences between their different denominations.
 
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Maybe add more these inhabitable corridors to Central Arabia overall, currently it looks a bit boring tbh
For example, adding corridors to borders between Hutaym and Mamluks etc
Anyways it is the topic of Arabian peninsula tinto maps just wanted to say because I see it in image
 
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I am surprised so much of the Mameluks is represented as under direct control instead of some sort of subject. Could be correct, I don't know much about them, but it feels wrong. In Europe during that time, true direct control was rare, and here distances are much greater, which should make direct control more of a challenge.
European and Islamic feudalism were different, and thus, we're portraying it differently. And yes, how to control your country is one of the challenges of the game.
 
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I understand that you had to fit Western Oases province somewhere, maybe you can create area of Libyan Desert and include it within it?
I agree it's not really good-looking, but everything I find about them, indicates that they had been Egyptian for centuries/millenia by 1337. Classifying them as Lower Egypt would result in an even worse map.
 
We don't have currently separate mechanics for ethnoreligious populations, as that's kind of difficult to portray, on several conceptual levels.
Can we have a response from Johan if it's mechanically possible and if it would be non-trivial? Hmm, before that, is there a design-space or design-need for it?
 
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Are Cultures a placeholder or do they have some mechanics? I wonder if it would be possible to do re-romanization of Middle-east as Byzantium and kick out Arabs from the region.
 
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arent there too few locations in egypt? Egypt is supposed to be the breadbasket of many civilizations, but it looks like egypt has the least land so far. Wouldnt that make it incredibly weaker than basically every other nation?
 
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Do you guys have a mapmode for towns/cities?
Yes, but it's not something we want to show yet, as it's currently a matter of balancing and rebalancing, so we're not ready to start discussions about it.
 
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What kind of government is Candia - a monarchy or a republic?

And could we see, which locations are rural / town / city?
A republic.
 
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I agree it's not really good-looking, but everything I find about them, indicates that they had been Egyptian for centuries/millenia by 1337. Classifying them as Lower Egypt would result in an even worse map.
I'm not talking about which country it belongs to, I'm talking about geography. Territories west of the Nile river are sometimes (and sometimes not) included in the geographical area of Libyan Desert. I'm trying to find more-than-one-province area here that would make sense. Including that entire area within either Upper or Lower Nile doesn't.
 
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