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Tinto Maps #27 - 22nd of November 2024 - Oceania

Hello, and welcome to another Friday devoted to map worship! You may remember me, Pavía, from previous Tinto Maps, as @Roger Corominas has been dutifully taking care of the last 6 dev diaries. Now he’s focusing on some other tasks, and I’ll be in charge of the last 4, as it’s planned that the war Tinto Maps will be over by Christmas. This doesn’t mean that we will be done with the maps of Project Caesar, though - we will continue posting Tinto Maps Feedback posts in the next few months. And the next one will be a very much anticipated one - the Balkans, next week! But let’s focus now on today’s region: Oceania!

Countries
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A bit different map today, as there are no regular countries in the entire region… All of them are Societies of Pops! Also, down to the right, that is not ‘Linear Atlantis’, but our ‘3D Material Testing Island’, where our (great) 3D artists test how the different combinations of terrains look in-game.

It may be relevant to repeat our guidelines for how to categorize countries and societies, by the way:

  • Settled Countries (State Societies)
    • Organized through States, which implies a public power holding:
      • Monopoly of violence
      • Tax collection
      • Public works
      • Writing/record-keeping systems
  • Societies of Pops (Stateless Societies)
    • Societies lacking a State properly, but that have some complex organizational features, such as (not necessarily all, but some):
      • Chiefdomly authority
      • Permanent settlements
      • Agricultural development
      • Some kind of taxation
  • Non-Tag Cultures (Bands/Kin Groups)
    • Simple societies, usually hunter-gatherers or shifting agriculturalists, don't organize around power structures, but through horizontal ones
    • Their pops won't be part of any type of tag, akin to EU4 natives

Societies of Pops

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There are a few Societies of Pops in Oceania, in three main hubs: Hawaii, Fiji-Samoa-Tonga, and New Zealand. We’d be interested in listening to your feedback on this matter, nonetheless.

Locations
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Plenty of different maps today, to be able to show as many different regions as possible. This is very highly WIP, and some of the islands may end up dying because of their size and being unimportant. By the way, you may notice that some of the islands are weirdly rounded up - that’s because they have a different type of terrain, ‘Atoll’, which is the last one that we were able to add to the game in due time during the development process.

Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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Now you may fully notice the purpose of Terrain Testing Island!

Development
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Not a very developed region in 1337…

Natural Harbors
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There are some very good natural harbors in the region, including a very infamous one in O’ahu…

Cultures
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Tons of different cultures today!

Languages
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Papua is not the most homogeneous place in the world, language-related…

Religions
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As mentioned last week, we’ve split Animism into several ‘cultural confessions’, which we want now to recombine into broader families; so, again, any suggestions are welcome!

Raw Materials
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Resources are, in general terms, quite basic, food-oriented ones; although Australia is more varied, obviously, and there are some areas very rich in Pearls.

Markets
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Ternate is the main market of the western part of the region, although you may notice that there’s very little access in most of the locations.

Population
There are some issues with the Population distribution map of the region this week, but I’m letting you know that the total population is 1.885M.

And that is all for today! If you want a more detailed map of a given area, just let me know, as I’m aware that the scale of the region shown doesn’t fit well with the usual format of Tinto Maps.

Next week we will take a look at the last continent remaining, starting with the region of North America. See you!
 
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Will there be additional threads regarding Low Lands - France - Iberia etc? Not only for the many charges proposed after the first review, but also for the features Johan introduced after the map was reviewed?
No, but we check the existing ones from time to time regarding new feedback.
 
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i think there should be less wasteland in Australia

here is the population density of Australia

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and here is a map of aboriginal trade routes (red is major)

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It is the size of Europe. And they didn't even include much of the interior either (not that it would make much gameplay difference to do so).

Yeah, but it's sparsely populated with no tags whatsoever, so I was expecting fewer locations. I *absolutely* was expecting lower density for colonial regions, specially as I've made a map for Brazil with this in mind.
 
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Could we get close-ups of the religion map?
Not very worth right now, to be honest, as most of the religions are the same of cultures.
 
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Now that all the constituent maps have been released, could you post a full zoomed out political map of Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania?
I think that the Reddit map-makers will be pleased, yes. And there's even a new continent appearing there!:
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hi @Pavía! Should Easter Island not have been covered here? or will it be shown on the south American tinto map?
Either South America or a Full-Pacific Tinto Maps Extra.
 
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Bummer for so few SOPs.
I hope your criteria will be broadened and some large already existing SOPs further divided later in development...
It makes me sad not to be able to play a battle royal in Papua with my tiny tribe against hundreds of other tiny tribes.
 
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Bit disappointed about lack of population. I've been doing some research and been in contact with some academics in the field of the Maori settlement of New Zealand, what the population numbers might be like across different areas and was looking forward to see if your maps needed critiquing.
 
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I think some corridors and maybe a few locations across the desert would be good, this region was involved in aboriginal trade and some tribes lived there
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any progress/change with playabiility for Societies of Pops? meaning did you have ideas how to make it fun or does the cutting floor still loom over it?
We have plenty of ideas, but the feasibility of them is very low at this stage, to be brutally honest. We'll confirm it in due time, but we prefer to be honest with the community, and not create non-realistic expectations.
 
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