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Tinto Maps #27 - 22nd of November 2024 - Oceania

Hello, and welcome to another Friday devoted to map worship! You may remember me, Pavía, from previous Tinto Maps, as @Roger Corominas has been dutifully taking care of the last 6 dev diaries. Now he’s focusing on some other tasks, and I’ll be in charge of the last 4, as it’s planned that the war Tinto Maps will be over by Christmas. This doesn’t mean that we will be done with the maps of Project Caesar, though - we will continue posting Tinto Maps Feedback posts in the next few months. And the next one will be a very much anticipated one - the Balkans, next week! But let’s focus now on today’s region: Oceania!

Countries
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A bit different map today, as there are no regular countries in the entire region… All of them are Societies of Pops! Also, down to the right, that is not ‘Linear Atlantis’, but our ‘3D Material Testing Island’, where our (great) 3D artists test how the different combinations of terrains look in-game.

It may be relevant to repeat our guidelines for how to categorize countries and societies, by the way:

  • Settled Countries (State Societies)
    • Organized through States, which implies a public power holding:
      • Monopoly of violence
      • Tax collection
      • Public works
      • Writing/record-keeping systems
  • Societies of Pops (Stateless Societies)
    • Societies lacking a State properly, but that have some complex organizational features, such as (not necessarily all, but some):
      • Chiefdomly authority
      • Permanent settlements
      • Agricultural development
      • Some kind of taxation
  • Non-Tag Cultures (Bands/Kin Groups)
    • Simple societies, usually hunter-gatherers or shifting agriculturalists, don't organize around power structures, but through horizontal ones
    • Their pops won't be part of any type of tag, akin to EU4 natives

Societies of Pops

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There are a few Societies of Pops in Oceania, in three main hubs: Hawaii, Fiji-Samoa-Tonga, and New Zealand. We’d be interested in listening to your feedback on this matter, nonetheless.

Locations
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Plenty of different maps today, to be able to show as many different regions as possible. This is very highly WIP, and some of the islands may end up dying because of their size and being unimportant. By the way, you may notice that some of the islands are weirdly rounded up - that’s because they have a different type of terrain, ‘Atoll’, which is the last one that we were able to add to the game in due time during the development process.

Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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Now you may fully notice the purpose of Terrain Testing Island!

Development
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Not a very developed region in 1337…

Natural Harbors
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There are some very good natural harbors in the region, including a very infamous one in O’ahu…

Cultures
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Tons of different cultures today!

Languages
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Papua is not the most homogeneous place in the world, language-related…

Religions
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As mentioned last week, we’ve split Animism into several ‘cultural confessions’, which we want now to recombine into broader families; so, again, any suggestions are welcome!

Raw Materials
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Resources are, in general terms, quite basic, food-oriented ones; although Australia is more varied, obviously, and there are some areas very rich in Pearls.

Markets
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Ternate is the main market of the western part of the region, although you may notice that there’s very little access in most of the locations.

Population
There are some issues with the Population distribution map of the region this week, but I’m letting you know that the total population is 1.885M.

And that is all for today! If you want a more detailed map of a given area, just let me know, as I’m aware that the scale of the region shown doesn’t fit well with the usual format of Tinto Maps.

Next week we will take a look at the last continent remaining, starting with the region of North America. See you!
 
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In PC these are terrain designations, not political ones. With that in mind I think "Territorial" doesn't fit at all compared to "Coastal" and "Internal" is borderline but still sounds more political/legal to me than "Inland."

I'm fine with bringing the game more in alignment with modern practice, as long as it doesn't sound horribly anachronistic, but it should be modern practice as it relates to the natural world (weather, sea conditions, etc), not modern legal practice.

Being near the coast can affect typical sea conditions, being close to sovereign territory can not.

I’m with you for the most part, but I would note this legal field evolved from European maritime trade practices originating during the timeline of this game (16th century-ish).

Two additional thoughts:
1) “Territorial” refers to water attached to land territory, effectively meaning “coastal” (in modern use, this can also imply sovereigny, but not always)
2) I generally think “Internal” better fits as a geographic term as “inland” refers to water bodies like lakes or rivers disconnected from the actual ocean. “Internal” more clearly refers to areas that may only be partially “enclosed” by land, which can include water bodies surrounded by islands that are actually directly linked to adjacent oceans
 
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Isn't 8 locations for Tasmania not enough? It's a temperate oceanic island with excellent land for farming. Idk it's just weird seeing those tiny locations in the middle of the desert and the fertile island of Tassie is left like that.
 
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Talking of natural harbours, I would have thought Hobart in Tasmania is one.
I agree - though they've done the location borders in a way that divides the Derwent River estuary in two. Hobart is located on the South-Western side of that border but it's in such a large location (mostly undeveloped even to this day) that it would look a bit odd to have that whole location as a harbour. Maybe they could divide that location in two along the Huon River to make a small location with a harbour for Hobart, and the larger remnant to represent the Hartz Mountains/Southwest National Park.
 
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My NZ/Aotearoa suggestions————-

All laid out on the map below but I’ll explin here ifthe way I’ve laid it out looks a bit confusing


Whangārei is a pretty important city, should be included

The area labelled ‘Manukau’ in the map has nothing to do with the actual Manukau in Auckland/Tamaki Makaurau; I suggest the side of the province north of the Bombay hills be split off and renamed to Pukekohe and the lower part renamed Waikato or Kirikiriroa

I’m also not sure the Manukau harbour should be a natural harbour, as it is very shallow and had a very bad shipwreck in 1863 for this reason—there’s a reason way the port on the waitematā is Auckland’s favoured port.

The border between the Waikato and Moehau/Coromandel should probably divide at waihou river, I.e so it only includes the mountain range called moehau.

I’ve never heard the name Ahurei before, and as far as I’ve been able to check, neither has a Māori map. Ahurei is word meaning something like prominence or distinguished; therefore I’d consider another name for the location, perhaps Waitomo

Tauwhare is a small town in the Waikato and has nothing to do with Tauranga; this location should should be renamed Tauranga Moana

The location Uruwera is nowhere near where the actual Uruwera is; it should probably be renamed to Taupō, considering the Uruwera is pretty much impassable and today only very sparsely populated.

The name tūranga is a shortening of the Māori name, Tūranga-nui-a-Kiwa. either this name or tairāwhiti suits the gisborne area, though given the history of the name Tūranga-nui-a-Kiwa, this is probably a better choice.

I don’t know what the Makeakea refers to, but the Māori name for that area (Hawke’s Bay) is Te Matau-a-Māui) (the fishhook of Maui)

It’s a little weird to extend Wellington/Te Whanganui-a-Tara up so far, I’d rather split it in two, and have the upper one be Palmerston North/Te Papaioea. Wellington should also be given a natural harbour, as its protective cove is commercially important.

Not quite sure why the Wairarapa is so tiny, it’s a reasonably big area and shouldn’t be related to such a tiny size.

Sad that we lack a Ōtautahi/Christchurch location given it is a very important city historically, and deserves a strong natural harbour on account of the port of Littleton.

Timaru is an anglicisation of the name Te Tihi-o-Maru

The location called Ōtepoti is nowhere near the real location of ōtepoti/Dunedin, circled to where it should be; also port charmers in Dunedin should be a natural harbour; it’s a very important location historically

Hokitika is a better name than Taramakau; as Taramakau is just a river

Not sure wait that tiny province on the west coast says, but if ‘Maitahi’ is its name; ‘Ōkahu’ proabbaly suits it better as this was the name of a Māori pā in the area, and the town Haast (which I assume Maitane refers to) was only settled by pākehā/Europeans in the 1860s.

Disappointed to see that there’s no action around the Queenstown/Arrowtown/Central Otago area as this area was historically important, especially during the gold rush. I hope that the Otago/west coast gold rush is implemented in some form as this attracted a huge number of pākehā/European and Chinese settlers to the country. As the area is largely pretty hard to get to even today without flying, given the mountain passes, the location could even be an ‘oasis’, unconnected location like in the Sahara or something, even if this is uninhabited until Europeans arrive.

Trading resources seem fine, although greenstone/Pounamu was historically (and still is) a very important luxury resource for māori, I’m can’t remember r off the top of my head how greenstone/jade is down in China and east Asia, though this could be represented by gems, (as distinct from the gold resource that the gold rushes may add). I hope legumes are supposed to represent kūmara/sweet potato, since I’m not sure what else that could be


I’d argue that Māori/Tongan/Samoan/Hawaiian/cook islands Māori religion should be the same as these cultures have very similar mythologies with only slight variation, an example of this is Māui, the legendary Polynesian demigod who is involved in all kinds of myths, but fished out of the ocean the islands of New Zealand.

The provinces are mostly fine, I’d recommend looking at New Zealand regions/district councils, and remember that you can’t just add random places to the Waikato, it’s name comes from the river that it follows into lake Taupō. I.e add Taranaki to the Whanganui province instead of the Waikato, and add the location that contains the mouth of the Waikato back into the province.

I hope there will be events about the moriori culture splitting off and moving the chathams, their pacifist nature is very interesting


All in all this New Zealand/Aotearoa is worlds better than the one in eu4, even if Māori Iwi won’t be playable from day one; apart from that pretty good job Paradox.





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Something on the New Zealand maps was throwing me and I think this post does a decent job of identifying changes.

The long & skinny Te Whanganui-a-Tara and lack of a natural harbour there is particularly weird - the top half, north of the Manawatu River, would be better suited as its own location or at least part of Whanganui. The density feels a bit off to me too; there's places as small as Akaroa (aka "French New Zealand") on the map, whilst the North Island locations feel a little chonky. I also agree that Queenstown area & its associated gold rush should escape the wasteland treatment if feasible.
 
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Pacific Expanded (Part 1)
Hello, I am back this time with a proposal for how to expand the map of the pacific to satisfy my sick fantasies. Unlike my Greenland Proposal, this work is going to be much, much larger, and as such I will be posting it in parts. How many parts you ask? Erm... 7? Maybe 8? I'm not sure yet we'll see.

Other parts: Part 2, Part 3,

So, without further ado:

Part 1: Pacific Far East
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Today we will be covering these 3 areas of the far east of the Pacific.

First, a few notes:
  • As with my Greenland Proposal, I have opted for a maximalist approach. That is, I have included every island that I felt was large or important enough to include, and many that I felt weren't, I am giving as much information on these as I can and the devs can decide wether to take any of these suggestions or not. I doubt most of my additions will make it in.
  • I will put my references at the bottom of the post. I will not use numbers to indicate what reference I got the information from because I can't be bothered, this is already taking a lot of work as is. :p I will consider going back over my posts once they are all completed and adding that information if I can be bothered after I finish this project, which I believe will take me weeks.
  • I will use reference maps like the one above in each post to help readers understand where we are located geographically, as the open ocean can make it hard to tell sometimes, particularly when dealing with isolated islands such as Rapa Nui or the Australs.
  • Wherever I have written 2 names for a location, the Native/Older name will come first, with the more common name second. On a couple cases I have picked a different native name than what is commonly used to distinguish the locations better.
  • I will mention Marae a lot in the following post. This is because due to the nature of Polynesian dwellings, many islands have very little archaeological evidence of settlement, with the exception of Marae. Marae are stone-built ceremonial buildings, sometimes referred to as temples, they had different architectural designs in different parts of the polynesian triangle, but in general they would have long platforms, with wooden or stone pillars or walls erected along the edges. Many of them were unfortunately destroyed by cyclones, tsunamis, or Christians, and many other were otherwise harvested for their stone in order to build colonial buildings in the 18th and 19th centuries; yet many still remain, and they serve as an indication of pre-colonial settlement patterns.
  • Many of these islands are really small, if the devs want to add them many of them will have to be "augmented".
  • Because I used a heightmap for these islands, the atolls show up as outlines with the lagoons being blank, wherever you see a location that looks like an outline it's because it's an atoll.
  • I actually used Gall Stereographic projection this time! Thank you QGIS and @Sulphurologist for helping me get to grips with the software.
  • Some things I will not cover in these posts are:
    • I will not cover religion, as I do not consider myself knowledgable enough on the topic.
    • I will not Cover Australia or New Zealand, as I am sure there will be plenty of other people to cover those areas.
    • I will (probably) not cover mainland New Guinea.

Group 1: Tureia, Gambier, Pitcairn, Rapa Nui
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Rapa Nui / Easter IslandLikely inhabited sincethe 4th century, archaeological remains of human modified landscapedate back to the 5th century, by the 12th century they had begun toestablish quarries and construct statuary temples. In the 14thcentury Rapa Nui was still in it's prosperous and peaceful era, theforests of the island had already been cleared but the effects ofsoil erosion had not yet led to ecological collapse. The populationwould have likely been between 6,000 and 7,000, and would rise toaround 10,000 prior to contact with Europeans and their diseases.FlatlandsGrasslandTropicalStoneRapa NuiMarquesic - Rapa Nui
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This island has a native name and was therefore certainly known to the people of Rapa Nui, but it seems not to have been inhabited, and given its small size I have left it as wasteland.FlatlandsSparseTropicaln/an/an/a
DucieGiven the lack of archaeological work on Ducie island, and its small size, I have left it as a wasteland.AtollForestTropicaln/an/an/a
Mata-ki-te-rangi / PitcairnThe presence of Volcanic glass from Pitcairn in Henderson Island archaeological sites indicates that the island was settled around the same time Henderson was. This evidence also lines up with Mangarevan oral history regarding the settlement of Pitcairn. It is possible that the island was visited due to its good lumber for canoe building. There is also evidence of Marae being constructed on the island, which would indicate a significant population. Much like with Henderson, the collapse of the Mangarevan trading sphere in the late 15th century made continued habitation of Pitcairn difficult, archaeological digs seem to suggest that the island was abandoned in the 16th or 17th century.FlatlandsForestTropicalLumberMangarevanMarquesic - Mangarevan
HendersonHenderson island is a rock in the middle of the ocean with almost no soil and no surface water. However, there are stratified deposits that indicate a continuous presence from 900AD to as late as 1500AD. It is likely the island was abandoned due to a collapse of the trade centre of Mangareva in the 15th century leading to a lack of tool-making materials.FlatlandsGrasslandTropicalFishMangarevanMarquesic - Mangarevan
Mangareva / GambierMangareva was a regional trade centre that made habitation of the Pitcairn Islands, as well as Rapa, possible. It is a volcanic island that, much like Rapa Nui, underwent deforestation which led to famine and conflict, and in the 15th century this led to the collapse of the trade network and is likely responsible for the abandonment of Pitcairn and Henderson islands. Mangarevan stone was a crucial export used for tool-making.HillsGrasslandTropicalStoneMangarevanMarquesic - Mangarevan
Marutea-i-rungaI could find little information on Marutea that wasn't generalised to all of the Gambier islands, but it was inhabited, and would later become a site for black pearl farming.AtollJungleTropicalPearlsMangarevanMarquesic - Mangarevan
Maturei-vavao / Acteon GroupThese atolls have no fresh water sources and are small. They were uninhabited when discovered in the 17th century, though they had a wide availability of coconut trees. These islands would have certainly been known to the locals and were likely used for coconut farming, even if the current archaeological evidence does not suggest a permanent settlement.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitian - Pa'umotu
MoraneA lack of palm trees, freshwater sources, and pacific rats imply that this atoll was not inhabited by ancient polynesians, given that and it's small size I have left it as a wasteland.AtollForestTropicaln/an/an/a
Aopuni / MoruroaMoruroa was discovered in the 18th century and little archaeological work has been done on this atoll, or the neighbouring Fangataufa atoll, probably due to the French government using them to test nuclear weapons. However, dwellings were found on the islands when they were first discovered, in 1834 a visiting ship killed all but 3 of the inhabitants. It seems it was used for growing coconuts.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
Papa-kena / TureiaTureia is an inhabited atoll used for growing coconuts.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
TematagiTematagi was described variously as being inhabited and uninhabited by early explorers, but it was certainly inhabited by the 19th century. There were apparently few coconut trees, and some of them were removed to Tahiti in 1857 for cannibalising the survivors of a ship-wreck.AtollJungleTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu

Group 2: Southern Tuamotus & Duke of Gloucester Islands
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ReaoReao has archaeological evidence of habitation dating from the early 12th century, such as wide areas of cultivation as well as over 20 Marae. Some of these Marae are almost 200 feet long hinting at a significant population.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
PukaruaWhile little archaeological work has been carried out in Pukarua, several Marae were identified in 1930, as well as coconut plantations and soil that had been prepared for Taro.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
TatakotoLittle archaeological work has been done in Tatakoto, but the presence of 4 Marae indicates a pre-contact population.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
NukutavakeNukutavake and the neighbouring islands bear many archaeological remains and Marae that indicate a pre-contact presence.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
ParaoaNo archaeological work has been conducted on this island, it is likely it was not inhabited due to the lack of freshwater. When it was discovered in the 18th century no sign of canoes or settlements was found. The nearby atoll of Ahunui similarly lacks any archaeological research, as such I have left them as wasteland.AtollForestTropicaln/an/an/a
ManuhangiNo archaeological work has been done on Manuhangi and it is currently uninhabited. Due to this and its small size I have left it as a wasteland.AtollForestTropicaln/an/an/a
NengonengoNengonengo is a small inhabited atoll, though it seemed uninhabited when it was first discovered. It is used now for Pearl farming.AtollForestTropicalPearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
HaorangiArchaeological work done on Haorangi shows the existence of multiple Marae, indicating a pre-contact habitation. It is one of the largest and most populated atolls of the Tuamotus.AtollForestTropicalPearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
AmanuAmanu is likely to be one of the first Polynesian atolls discovered by Europeans as 16th century Spanish cannons have been found on the island.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
HikueruHikueru is an inhabited atoll with a large natural pearl oyster population.AtollForestTropicalPearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
MarokauMarokau and Ravahere form the 2 atolls named Two Islands Group, they are large and populated and live on coconuts and fishing.AtollForestTropicalFruit / FishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
HaraikiNo archaeological work has been carried out in Haraiki, and early accounts by Europeans do not mention whether or not this atoll was inhabited. The nearby atoll of Reitoru was described as being uninhabited. Due to this and it's small size, I have left it as a wasteland.AtollForestTropicaln/an/an/a
AnuaruraroThere is little archaeological information regarding any of the Duke of Gloucester islands, but they seem to have been inhabited, given that their names were relayed by natives.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
HereheretueWhile little archaeological work has been done at Hereheretue, Marae have been identified on the atoll, indicating a pre-contact habitation of the atoll.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu


Group 3: Northern Tuamotus & Disappointment Islands
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PukapukaPukapuka was the first Tuamotu island to be discovered by the Spanish in 1521, according to early accounts they were uninhabited. The modern population is apparently of Marquesian decent and so I have set the culture of the island to reflect that, though it should be unpopulated at the start date.AtollForestTropicalFruitMarquesanMarquesic - Marquesan
NapukaNapuka atoll and the nearby island of Tepoto were inhabited when first discovered by Europeans, who failed to make landfall due to the hostility of the natives. The islands contain over 20 Marae in between them.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
FangatauFangatau and nearby Fakahina contain the remains of over 50 Marae between them, indicating a long habitation and significant population.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
RaroiaRaroia and the neighbouring Takume were called Napaite by the ancient Taumotuan people. These are large atolls which would have been inhabited at the start date.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
RekarekaRekareka is an atoll of which I can find next to no information, due that this and its small size, I have decided to leave it as a wasteland.AtollForestTropicaln/an/an/a
NihiruTaenga and Nihiru are atolls of which I can find little information, however they would most likely have been inhabited given that all the islands around them are as well.AtollForestTropicalPearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
Taunga-tauranga-e-havana / MaruteaThis island was likely inhabited as early explorers describe seeing coconut palms and at least one canoe. Oral history states that this island was attacked by warriors from Anaa in the early to mid 17th century.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
MakemoMakemo is a large atoll and was one of the most densely populated of the Tuamotus.AtollForestTropicalFruit / Fishing / PearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
Taungataki / KatiuThese 3 small atolls I can find little information on, but they would certainly have been inhabited as all the atolls around them are. I have placed them in one location alongside Katiu as I can similarly find little information on it.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
Nganaa-nui / AnaaThis atoll was known by the ferocity and cruelty of its warriors who in the 17th century dominated the north-western Tuamotus. Archaeological work has found Marae and tens of thousands of square metres of cultivating pits.AtollForestTropicalFishing / Fruit / PearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
TahaneaI can find little information on Motutunga and Tahanea, and so I have placed them together in one location. They would certainly have been inhabited or at least known to the Tuamotuans, and are sizeable.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
FaaiteFaaite subsisted on the farming of Kumara and Taro, they apparently remained neutral during Anaa's 18th century conflict with Rangiroa.AtollForestTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
TikeiWhile 2 Marae have apparently been found on Tikei and it was inhabited, due to its small size I have opted to keep it as a wasteland.AtollForestTropicaln/an/an/a
TakapotoThere are over 40 Marae between Takapoto and the neighbouring atoll of Takaroa, the density of these buildings indicate a significant and dense population.AtollForestTropicalPearls / FishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
ManihiLittle archaeological work has been carried out on the atolls of Manihi and Ahe, but the presence of 2 Marae implies that there was a permanent settlement.AtollForestTropicalPearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
RarakaLittle archaeological research has been done on Raraka, but it was already settled by Polynesians by time of discovery.AtollForestTropicalFruit / PearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
KauehiKauehi is a large atoll with productive fisheries. I could find little information on its pre-contact past.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
AratikaI could find little information on Aratika's pre-contact history, but it was an important pearl source up until the end of the 19th century.AtollForestTropicalPearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
FakaravaFakarava is the 2nd largest atoll of the Tuamotus, and the Pomare dynasty originated in this atoll before settling on, and going on to rule, Tahiti. There is also at least one Marae on Fakarava.AtollForestTropicalFishing / PearlsTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
ToauI can find little archaeological research on Toau, but like neighbouring islands it would've been inhabited. The nearby atoll of Niau is unique in that it's lagoon is completely enclosed and is swampy and super-saline, it was also inhabited by the time of discovery.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
KaukuraI can find little information on Kaukura but as a large atoll it would certainly have been inhabited.AtollForestTropicalFishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
ApatakiArutua and Apataki are large atolls, the presence of at least one Marae hints at a pre-contact settlement.AtollForestTropicalFishing / FruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
RangiroaRangiroa is the largest atoll in the Tuamotus and one of the largest in the world. It's believed that the island was settled around the 10th century, several Marae and over a hundred cultivation pits have been found on the atoll, hinting at a dense population. Oral history mentions that a cataclysmic event wiped out most of the western population of the island around 1560. The island flourished in the 17th century as it formed stronger connections with other islands in the northern Tuamotus and Society archipelago, which came to an end around 1770 when warriors from Anaa invaded and killed most of the population, with most of the survivors fleeing to the islands of Tikehau, Makatea, and Tahiti.AtollForestTropicalPearls / FishingTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
MakateaOn Makatea one Marae has been found, as well as evidence of 7 more Maraes that were destroyed. Although a coral atoll, Makatea does not have a lagoon. Makatea would in the 19th century become a phosphate mine much like Nauru, which would cause extensive damage to its environment.AtollJungleTropicalFruitTuamotuanTahitic - Pa'umotu
MataivaMataiva is the westernmost atoll of the Tuamotus, and the presence of at least 3 Marae attest to its early settlement. The language of Mataiva is apparently closer to Tahitian than Pa'umotu, hinting at a settlement from the west rather than the east as is the case with most of the Tuamotus.AtollForestTropicalFruitTahitianTahitic - Tahitian

Final thoughts on this first post.
  • Mangareva should be a centre of trade, I will mention other locations that I believe should be centres of trade as they come up in future posts. The pacific had trade networks much like the rest of the world, more extensive in many cases, it seems silly to have one centre in Ternate and leave all of the pacific with no market access.
  • Rapa Nui, Mangarevan, and Tuamotuan cultures should be SOPs.

Thanks for reading! Next post will cover the Society Islands, Marquesas Islands, Austral Islands, Cook Islands, and Niue!

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References:

  • On the Road of the Winds - An Archaeological History of the Pacific Islands before European Contact - Patrick Vinton Kirch
    • This is the main reference I used for Rapa Nui, the Pitcairns, and Mangareva. I will continue to use it for a lot of the following posts as it's quite exhaustive. If you're interested in Pacific Island archaeology I can't recommend this book enough.
  • Pitcairn before the Mutineers: Revisiting the Isolation of a Polynesian Island - Gillaume Molle, Aymeric Hermann - link
  • Law as a Tool of Oppression and Liberation: Institutional Histories and Perspectives on Political Independence in Hawai'i, Tahiti Nui/French Polynesia and Rapa Nui - Lorenz Rudolf Gonschor - link
  • Sacred offerings and secular foods on Reao Atoll, Tuamotu Archipelago, East Polynesia - Marshall I. Weisler et al. - link
  • Material Culture of the Tuamotu Archipelago - Kenneth P. Emory - link
  • Tuamotuan Stone Structures - Kenneth P Emory - link
  • Tuamotuan Religious Structures and Ceremonies - Kenneth P Emory - Part 1 Part 2
 

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Hello, and welcome to another Friday devoted to map worship! You may remember me, Pavía, from previous Tinto Maps, as @Roger Corominas has been dutifully taking care of the last 6 dev diaries. Now he’s focusing on some other tasks, and I’ll be in charge of the last 4, as it’s planned that the war Tinto Maps will be over by Christmas. This doesn’t mean that we will be done with the maps of Project Caesar, though - we will continue posting Tinto Maps Feedback posts in the next few months. And the next one will be a very much anticipated one - the Balkans, next week! But let’s focus now on today’s region: Oceania!

Countries
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A bit different map today, as there are no regular countries in the entire region… All of them are Societies of Pops! Also, down to the right, that is not ‘Linear Atlantis’, but our ‘3D Material Testing Island’, where our (great) 3D artists test how the different combinations of terrains look in-game.

It may be relevant to repeat our guidelines for how to categorize countries and societies, by the way:



Societies of Pops

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There are a few Societies of Pops in Oceania, in three main hubs: Hawaii, Fiji-Samoa-Tonga, and New Zealand. We’d be interested in listening to your feedback on this matter, nonetheless.

Locations
Plenty of different maps today, to be able to show as many different regions as possible. This is very highly WIP, and some of the islands may end up dying because of their size and being unimportant. By the way, you may notice that some of the islands are weirdly rounded up - that’s because they have a different type of terrain, ‘Atoll’, which is the last one that we were able to add to the game in due time during the development process.

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As mentioned last week, we’ve split Animism into several ‘cultural confessions’, which we want now to recombine into broader families; so, again, any suggestions are welcome!

Raw Materials
Resources are, in general terms, quite basic, food-oriented ones; although Australia is more varied, obviously, and there are some areas very rich in Pearls.

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Ternate is the main market of the western part of the region, although you may notice that there’s very little access in most of the locations.

Population
There are some issues with the Population distribution map of the region this week, but I’m letting you know that the total population is 1.885M.

And that is all for today! If you want a more detailed map of a given area, just let me know, as I’m aware that the scale of the region shown doesn’t fit well with the usual format of Tinto Maps.

Next week we will take a look at the last continent remaining, starting with the region of North America. See you!
Huh. What about the kingdom that constructed Nan Madol? That seems like a pretty clear-cut case of a stated society.
 
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Hello, and welcome to another Friday devoted to map worship! You may remember me, Pavía, from previous Tinto Maps, as @Roger Corominas has been dutifully taking care of the last 6 dev diaries. Now he’s focusing on some other tasks, and I’ll be in charge of the last 4, as it’s planned that the war Tinto Maps will be over by Christmas. This doesn’t mean that we will be done with the maps of Project Caesar, though - we will continue posting Tinto Maps Feedback posts in the next few months. And the next one will be a very much anticipated one - the Balkans, next week! But let’s focus now on today’s region: Oceania!

Countries
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A bit different map today, as there are no regular countries in the entire region… All of them are Societies of Pops! Also, down to the right, that is not ‘Linear Atlantis’, but our ‘3D Material Testing Island’, where our (great) 3D artists test how the different combinations of terrains look in-game.

It may be relevant to repeat our guidelines for how to categorize countries and societies, by the way:



Societies of Pops

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There are a few Societies of Pops in Oceania, in three main hubs: Hawaii, Fiji-Samoa-Tonga, and New Zealand. We’d be interested in listening to your feedback on this matter, nonetheless.

Locations
Plenty of different maps today, to be able to show as many different regions as possible. This is very highly WIP, and some of the islands may end up dying because of their size and being unimportant. By the way, you may notice that some of the islands are weirdly rounded up - that’s because they have a different type of terrain, ‘Atoll’, which is the last one that we were able to add to the game in due time during the development process.

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Natural Harbors
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Languages
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Papua is not the most homogeneous place in the world, language-related…

Religions
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As mentioned last week, we’ve split Animism into several ‘cultural confessions’, which we want now to recombine into broader families; so, again, any suggestions are welcome!

Raw Materials
Resources are, in general terms, quite basic, food-oriented ones; although Australia is more varied, obviously, and there are some areas very rich in Pearls.

Markets
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Ternate is the main market of the western part of the region, although you may notice that there’s very little access in most of the locations.

Population
There are some issues with the Population distribution map of the region this week, but I’m letting you know that the total population is 1.885M.

And that is all for today! If you want a more detailed map of a given area, just let me know, as I’m aware that the scale of the region shown doesn’t fit well with the usual format of Tinto Maps.

Next week we will take a look at the last continent remaining, starting with the region of North America. See you!
Also kinda bummed about the wasteland covering most of Australia. Might there be a possibility of adding corridors like in the Sahara? That would make Australia much more interesting to play in, and it’d be cool to have a location with Uluru!
 
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Isn't 8 locations for Tasmania not enough?
Tasmania is 68000 km² and perfectly habitable, so in the standards placed in the early tintomaps, it should have around 40 or 50 locations.

Maybe half that 'cause there's nothing here at game start (though that should probably be "nothing known" and/or "nothing worth giving a whole eighth of the island").

8 is ridiculous (but it isn't the first area with these problems, and I've got the impression I'm repeating myself everywhere :()
 
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Tasmania is 68000 km² and perfectly habitable, so in the standards placed in the early tintomaps, it should have around 40 or 50 locations.

Maybe half that 'cause there's nothing here at game start (though that should probably be "nothing known" and/or "nothing worth giving a whole eighth of the island").

8 is ridiculous (but it isn't the first area with these problems, and I've got the impression I'm repeating myself everywhere :()
You mean the Tasmania that is still over 73% covered in forest today, almost 200 years after the end of the game?

If you take land area that would realistically be settled, then 8 doesn't sound that ridiculous, although the distribution/shape of locations could maybe fit the geography a bit better.
 
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As other commenters said, several societies in Polynesia and Micronesia could easily be classified as State Societies. I also believe that some societies in Melanesia (the region I will focus on the most in this post) should be made into SOP’s.

Polynesia

Marshall Sahlins in Social Stratification of Polynesia (1958) arranged Polynesian precolonial societies in four levels of social stratification, the first level roughly equating to State societies or large chiefdoms on a verge of becoming state societies. Societies included in that category were: Hawaii, Tonga, Samoa and Tahiti. Societies included in his second category of social stratification (roughly corresponding to bigger chiefdoms) were Mangareva, Mangaia, Rapa Nui and Uvea, while third category (smaller chiefdoms) included societies of the Marquesas Islands, Tikopia and Futuna, with the fourth category being the autonomous villages (societies of Pukapuka, Ontong Java and Tokelau). Sahlins also made a clear distinction between chiefdoms of Polynesia and tribal societies of Melanesia, led by so called “Big Men”. Sahlin’s view is nowadays rather outdated, especially as we now know that a lot of societies in Melanesia don’t fit that dichotomy (more on that below), but his division of Polynesian societies can form a basis for consideration for distinction between States, SOP’s and non-tag cultures in Polynesia in the game.

In my opinion all of the aforementioned first level societies, except Tahiti, should be made into State Societies. The reasons why were explained well in this post by YashaCarry :
Well thank you for being open to revisions, because I have a lot to say.

First of all, let me start off by saying I mean no ill-intent to you all. I just have gripes that ought to be addressed, beginning with playable nations

But going off of your list, we have three classifications for societies, and this will help me determine what is what.


Now, I'll begin by listing every nation that I believe could content for centralization and this is a long one.

Tonga:



Samoa:



Hawaiian Aliʻi:


Rapa Nui and Mangareva:



Pohnpei and Kosrae:


Kaimana/Sran:


With that, that covers the nations that I ought to think should be centralized at game start. I'll cover culture and religion, locations and provinces, and some other things later on, but I do hope you'll take this all into consideration.

- Yasha

As for Tahiti, the island only became a State Society in late 18 century, when it was united by chief Pomare. Before that, in my opinion it should be a SOP. In the current proposed setup however, Tahiti is not represented on as a SOP, which is a mistake.

This map may be useful for setup of Hawaiian archipelago:
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As YashaCarry wrote, Mangareva and Rapa Nui could also be considered State Societies at start date, or should have a relatively easy path to becoming one during the game.

As for other Polynesian chiefdoms mentioned by Sahlins: Mangaia (an island in modern Cook Islands, location of the earliest recorded sweet potato cultivation in Polynesia; society characterised by a violent struggle between war-leaders), ʻUvea (Wallis Island in the modern Wallis and Futuna, a vassal of Tui Tonga, unified kingdom started there c. 15 century) and Futuna (in modern Wallis and Futuna; in late pre-colonial and colonial times divided into two kingdoms: Sigave and Alo, who presided over lesser chiefs) could be made into SOP’s, if the islands aren’t too small to be separate locations.

Cultures of Marquesas islands should probably remain as non-tag cultures. Tikopia, while being a very interesting culture as a Polynesian outlier in Melanesia, is too small an island to be a separate location in the game.

To summarise, I believe that chiefdoms of Hawaii, Tonga, Samoa, and arguably Mangareva and Rapa Nui should be State Societies, while Tahiti, Mangaia, ʻUvea and Futuna should be made into SOP’s.

By the way, just an idea, to spice up the gameplay in the region, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arioi religious order could potentially be made into a building based country on the island of Raʻiātea.

Micronesia

As have been said before in this thread a couple of times, Pohnpei had a highly stratified society, with a traditional oral history speaking of Saudeleur dynasty ruling the island during the game’s timeframe from its ceremonial and political seat in the now-famous archaeological site of Nan Madol. In my opinion Pohnpei should be a State Society at start date.
Kosrae also had a highly stratified society, ruled by and aristocratic ruling class from Leluh, a center similar to Nan Madol. In my opinion, it also should be a State Society.
Yap is a less obvious case. Yapese pre-colonial society is the most famous for the large Rai stone money, used in local economy. Those stones were mined in Palau, and transport of them was part of a long distance communication network, sometimes called “Yapese Empire”. Islands between Yap and Chuuk were obliged to send tribute to Yap. Yapese society was based on complex caste system. Yet, island of Yap wasn’t as politically unified as Kosrae or Pohnpei. In my opinion, Yap should be a SOP, but could be argued to be also made into a State Society.
Chamorro people of Guam island – although they lacked common political authority, I think they meet the requirements for a SOP: they had a high degree of social stratification, including the high ranking nobles and chiefs. The highest level of integration was the district, which was composed of one or more neighbouring villages, led by the district chief (maga-lahe), the hereditary highest-ranking male relative within the clan. They lived in permanent settlements and subsisted primarily on fish, aroids, yams, breadfruit, and coconuts. Rice was also grown on Guam (the only place in Oceania). Pre-contact Chamorro population is estimated to be about 50.000 people. After the Spanish colonisation of Guam and the Northern Marianas, the Chamorros resisted, fighting so called Spanish–Chamorro Wars (1670-1699). In my opinion, despite the fact, that the island of Guam was not politically unified, the level of sophistication of Chamorro society is enough to consider them for the SOP status in the game.

Melanesia

In more recent scholarship prevails a point of view that there was a large variety of sociopolitical organisations among the Melanesian societies, and although so-called Big-Men societies were most common, especially in the Western Melanesia (island of New Guinea etc.), there was also quite a few stratified chiefdoms, especially among peoples speaking Austronesian languages or influenced by them. It is also pointed out, that some societies that were described by XIX and XX century anthropologists as led having a ”Big-Men” system (non-hereditary leadership, based on individual prestige and influence) were in fact stratified and hierarchical in the past, but the hierarchical system was replaced as a result of massive societal and political disruption after European contact during the first half of the twentieth century.

Nonetheless, I believe none of the Melanesian societies were complex enough to be represented as State Societies in the game (maybe with the exception of Kaimana and Raja Ampat, which were influenced by Indonesians, but I’m not knowledgeable enough about that, and other commenters in this thread wrote more extensively about those polities).
However, at least few of them could be potential candidates for the status of SOP’s. First of all, I want to second what was already written by others in this thread about the West Papuan chiefdoms of Kaimana and Raja Ampat and also about Torres Strait Islanders.
Apart from Fiji, which is included on the map as a collection of SOP’s, these are some examples of Melanesian societies, that are in my opinion complex (and interesting) enough to be made into SOPs:
  • Roviana – a chiefdom of notorious head-hunters from island of New Georgia in the Solomon Islands, raided and traded far and wide - often in the islands of Choiseul, Isabel, Russell, Malaita and western Guadalcanal. A large complex of megalithic shrines and other structures was developed by them in the 13th century. Headhunting raids stopped abruptly in early XX century with colonial intervention and Christianisation of Solomon Islands.
  • Efate – the island (or large part of it) was probably united by a chief called Roy Mata (who probably had Polynesian ancestry), remembered by oral tradition, whose elaborate (and rather gruesome) gravesite in Vanuatu, discovered in 1967 by French archaeologist, is a UNESCO World Heritage Site. We don’t really know when the chief lived (I’ve seen estimates from XIII to XVI centuries on the Internet), so he could potentially be made the leader of the island at game start.
  • Kiriwina - the largest of the Trobriand Islands in eastern Papua New Guinea, famously studied by Polish anthropologist Bronisław Malinowski. Trobrianders participated in the famous Kula trade with other societies of the Milne Bay. Unusually for this region, they had paramount chiefs.
  • Kanak chiefdoms of New Caledonia and it’s dependencies (Loyalty Islands and Isle of Pines) – those societies have been long considered main example of stratified, chiefly society in Melanesia, apart from Fiji. “In New Caledonia, leaders of local kin groups were, in theory, the eldest males directly descended from the extended family’s founding couple. Several such groups joined to from clans, each with a chief who was theoretically the eldest male of the oldest king group and was the symbolic father of the clan. Clans were further grouped into territorial alliances or tribes, with the most powerful clan chief becoming the tribal chief. Succession normally though not invariably went to the clan and tribal chiefs’ eldest sons” (K.R. Howe “Where The Waves Fall, A New South Sea Islands History from First Settlement to Colonial Rule”, 1984). That’s why I believe some, if not all, New Caledonian Kanak chiefdoms should be included as SOPs, for example the largest ones: Paici, Ajie, Xaracuu, Lifou, Ouvea.
  • Aneityum (Anatom) – an island in southern Vanuatu, an example of drastic loss of population after contact with Europeans, due to disease and “black-birding” (kidnapping to work as slaves or poorly paid labourers, unfortunately pretty common in colonial Oceania). Its population is believed to have been between 9,000 and 20,000 prior to the arrival of the Europeans, nowadays about 900 people live there. The island was divided into several chiefdom, with chiefs having some political, but also priestly authority.
  • Tanna – also an island in southern Vanuatu, with villages led by hereditary chiefs. Today, Tanna is unusual in that it stuck to its traditions more strongly than other islands of Vanuatu, with some villages still governed traditionally, according to Kastom (traditional law).
  • Motu – perhaps a bit less convincing argument can be made for including the Austronesian-speaking Motu people of Papua-New Guinea as a SOP. They live on the southern coast of Papuan Peninsula, where today the capital city of Papua New Guinea, Port Moresby is located. It’s not clear whether they really pass the requirement of possessing chiefdomly authority. They had some kind of village chiefs in late XIX and XX century, but those didn’t have any strong authority before Australian colonial powers gave them more tasks. Nevertheless, Western Motu in XIX century, when they were described by anthropologists, had permanent alliance between their villages against other tribes, based on solidarity grounded in perceived common ancestry and common language. More importantly, they organized and participated in so called Hiri trade cycle, which was large scale maritime trade with distant peoples across the Papuan Gulf, which necessitated some really large scale trade expeditions, unusual for a society of that type. The Motu mostly traded away their pottery, production of which was an unusual skill in early modern Melanesia. It is estimated that the Hiri trade started 300-500 years ago, although pottery was traded in the region much earlier already (B. David, K. Aplin, T. Richards Archaeological Research at Caution Bay, Papua New Guinea. Cultural, Linguistic and Environmental Setting. 2016) Later, during colonial times Motu Hiri language, based on the Motu language, became a lingua franca in the early colonial New Guinea. If they would be included as a SOP, Motu should be placed in the Koiali location on the map.
  • Marind (or Marind-anim) - this is a bit of a controversial choice, as it’s a Papuan people without a typical chiefdomly authority or an all-encompassing political organization. However, unusually for Papuans, they supposedly had a sense of solidarity, or belonging to a larger group, not typically found in Papuan linguistic groups, in which solidarity is normally only to one’s village and its allies. Main source of that solidarity were great religious cults that most sub-tribes of the Marind-anim people belonged to. For example, the "Imo" cult followed by a number of inland subtribes and a few communities on the coast, acknowledged a central leadership that was settled on the coast. (https://www.everyculture.com/Oceania/Marind-anim-Sociopolitical-Organization.html) In the past, the Marind were famous for their headhunting, which was always aimed at other tribes. The Marind are also notable for their sexual culture, including their form of ritualized homosexuality. This proposition is less strong then those mentioned earlier, but still could be considered for a SOP. (The Marind live in swamplands of southern part of Indonesian Wes Papua, near the Papua New Guinea border).
 
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A bit different map today, as there are no regular countries in the entire region… All of them are Societies of Pops!
My feedback regarding Oceania:

- Micronesia
The territory that today is part of the country Federated States of Micronesia should be divided in Project Caesar in at least 4 locations: Yap, Chuuk, Pohnpei, Kosrae.
Yap should have be a country or at least a SoP named Yap,representing the Yap chiefdom [1].
Pohnpei should be a kingdom governed by the Saudeleur dinasty [2].
Kosrae should be a playable country too [3].

- Tonga
The Tonga maritime chiefdom was a social reality in Oceania in 1337, it projectded power beyond Tonga in places like Samoa, Fiji, Niue, Tikopia, Wallis and Futuna [1]. If Tonga had direct control over these places or if it was dependant of local leaders is controversial (see the article), but it could be represented in game as a tributary network controled by Tonga.
Samoa should be considered if in game terms it works better as a SoP or as a playable Tribal Confederacy, Samoa revolt against Tonga was the mark that started the decline of the Tui Tonga, maybe Samoa should be a playable Tribal Confederacy tributary of Tonga, so the decline of Tonga has a chance to happen.

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About SopS, I dont like as pratically all SoPs in Oceania are located in places that in the future would be British/American colonies, more focus should be given to areas outside the anglosphere of influence. I think that every place that eventually created a native kingdom after 1337 should be considered to be represented in 1337 as a SoP, so it has a chance to recreateh history, my suggestions about this would be:

- Society Islands (French Polynesia)
The Sciety Islands can be divided in 2 groups, the Windward Islands and the Leeward Islands.

Windward Islands: Tahiti is the largest island of French Polynesia, it eventually unified and became the Tahiti Kingdom in 1788 (inside game's timeframe) and this kingdom annexed other islands and archipelagos in the region, in 1337 is was already settled and had a complex enough society to be considered a SoP. [4]

Leeward Islands: The most important here in my opinion is Bora Bora, this islands group also become a kingdom in 1788 until be annexed by France in 1888, in 1337 it was already setteled and compex enugh to be considered a SoP. [5]

- Easter Island
The polynesian triangle is delimited by Hawaai, New Zealand and Easter Island, it is also one of the most isolated parts of Polynesia, his nativa inhabitants the Rapa Nui were traditionally governed by a single chief and the society here was complex enough to develop their own manuscript language, the rongorongo. Considering that it is currently undeciphered and only a small quantity of preserved tables written in rongorongo exist, there is controversy if the symbols are only mnemonic symbols or if they are a true alphabet. Rapa Nui should be a playable country or at least a SoP. [6,7 and 8]

- Local Market
With Oceania having plyable countries, the region needs to have a market center, in my opinion the most accurate location would be Tonga, because Tonga was the central component of a complex network of exchange activities in Western Polynesia [1].

Sources:

[1] Indigenous Island Empires: Yap and Tonga Considered, The Journal of Pacific History, Vol. 35, No 1 (Jun., 2000), Glenn Petersen

[2] Upon a Stone Altar: A History of the Island of Pohnpei to 1890, David Hanlon, more specifically Chapter 1, pages 9-18

[3] The book is not freely available, but there is a review of the book available in Jstor: Reviewed Work: The Lelu Stone Ruins (Kosrae, Micronesia): 1978-81 Historical and Archaeological Research. Asian and Pacific Archaeology Series No. 10, Social Science Research Institute by Ross Cordy.
More details about Kosrae can be found in the internet researching about the archeologica site in Leluh.

[4]
https://www.britannica.com/place/Tahiti

[5]

[6] The Kings of Easter Island: Kingship, The Journal of the Polynesian Society, Alfred Metraux

[7] See the pre-european society session

[8] About the rongorongo
 
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Speaking of Pohnpei and Kosrae, could we get a closer look at them and Tahiti if possible?
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The black locations in the first map are impassable atolls (the new type of terrain that I mentioned).
 
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The black locations in the first map are impassable atolls (the new type of terrain that I mentioned).
Extremely grateful that Tahiti, Huahine, Bora Bora, and Raiatea are separate from one another! Here's hoping this is kept since it's so important to the area (even if the Vic3 has been pulled with the Tuamotus).

Hoping that Tahiti, Bora Bora, Raiatea, and Huahine can all emerge later as their own Settled Countries!
 
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It looks like you used the territorial waters boundary for the "country" of New Caledonia, not the coastline?

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Not really, although the system is similar, funnily enough. We're adding the coastal sea zones with a regular distance pattern, then the 'regular' sea zones with double the width. As we do it on a regular way, it looks similar to the modern coastal waters. However you may notice that it's not exactly the same.
 
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And most importantly, where is the sacred city of R'lyeh?
We haven't shown all of the Pacific Ocean for a reason... Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
 
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Sorry for writing it here (I posted it in the relevant thread some time ago too), but please, rename Halychyna to Halicia.

Halychyna is more of a cultural, geographical term, a perfect area name, but was never used to refer to the Duchy of Halych. As a Ukrainian I can tell you that as a tag name it feels very wrong. Like using Veneto instead of Venice/Rep. of Venice.

The city of Halych was written with H in all European maps, Halicia also exists in the New Latin and this way it’s different from the Iberian Galicia. So Halicia is a perfect choise.
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