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Tinto Maps #30 - 20th of December 2024 - South America

Hello and welcome to one Friday of map-loving! Today is special, as our 30th Tinto Maps, devoted to South America, is the last regular one. This implies that it won’t be the last, though - we plan to have two Tinto Maps Extra on December 27th and January 3rd, and then we will continue with the Tinto Maps Feedback posts as we progress with the map review.

But don’t worry, as on the first post-Christmas Friday, January 10th, I will start a new series, Tinto Flavor, in which we will show the content that we have been working on for Project Caesar. And I promise you, it’s a ton of content, so you will have to play the game in due time to discover it all…

Before we continue, one note: as we're covering a lot of lands today, don't be shy and ask for more detailed maps of the type you want wherever you want them, and I'll try to provide in the replies. And now, let’s start with the South American maps:

Countries
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Most of the countries that can be considered being at a State-wise level in 1337 are mostly concentrated in what is today Perú. We have famous ones, as the Chimu or Chincha, and you may also see a tiny country, Qusqu, which would later become the Inca Empire, the long-term goal while playing in the region.

Dynasties
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SoPs
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There are SoPs spread out all across the continent, making for a really interesting mix in the Peruvian area (again). We're already thinking about how to better visualize the coexistence of these two types of countries in the political layer, but it's going to take us some more time to get there.

Locations
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One note: I'll talk a bit more in-depth about the design of the Brazilian locations if you scroll down, in the Terrain section.

Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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There are huge geographical variations in South America, being one of the most diverse continents. One of the things I wanted to discuss is that we've tried to portray the Mata Atlântica, the original forest cover that was present in Brazil before the Portuguese colonized it, and a different type of land exploitation started. In this regard, we've been reading the feedback of the Brazilian community, and I want to say that our intention here is to portray the most realistic situation for 1337. That said, we've already internally discussed that we may reduce its scope, so it doesn't look so extreme, but we'd like to hear your opinions about it. And here you have one of the images that we used as a reference for it, so you get a good grasp of our intention:
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Development
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Natural Harbors
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Culture
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The jewel of the crown in this region. We've tried to portray the Pre-Columbian cultural diversity of these lands as accurately as possible, and, well, here you have the results.

Languages
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And the languages that group these cultures.

Religions
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We've tried to do our best to group the cultural religions of South America into different groups, based on common believes, gods, rituals, etc. Let us know what do you think of them. Oh, also, the Inti religion has its own differentiate mechanics, which we'll explain in the future!

Raw Goods
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Lots of different natural resources in South America. You may note that some are more common compared to other regions (such as Medicaments). We've also been tweaking the color of different resources, with the help of your feedback!

Markets
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The green market is centered around Teyuna, and the red one is Chinchay.

Population
Some issues with the map of the region this week (sadly), so let's discuss the numbers. The total in the continent is 10.22M, divided this way:
  • 1.66M in Colombia
  • 1.2M in Brazil
  • 5.07M in Andes
  • 877K in Chaco
  • 1.4M in La Plata
And that's all for today! We hope that you enjoyed the Tinto Maps series! We've definitely done, and it's also greatly helping us to make Project Caesar a much better game, with your help and feedback. Cheers!
 
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I'm not sure if this applied only to the incan's, or to all of pre incan Peru and the Andes. But again citing the book 1491, there appears to be a decent amount of evidence that shows that the incans not only lacked money as a thing. But also had no markets either.

I'm curious how this will be handled. Are there any plans for dealing with this? Or is it one of those situations where being completely 100% historically accurate is something that comes at two big of a conceptual cost?
We need to keep the base game mechanics for this, so it needs to be abstracted.
 
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Now that the Tinto Maps are drawing to a close, would it be possible to know how base trade goods are distributed? (Like, 7.23% of all locations have fish, 1.74% have marble, etc; or 827 locations have fish, etc). Would be an interesting insight into the game's economy.

(I'll make the script to extract that info if that's all it takes, if you can show what location description files look like :p )
Potentially, maybe...
 
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I have a question, arawak is the name of a culture/linguistic branch, not really a specific culture.
The few provinces with arawak culture are supposed to represent minor arawaks cultures while the major arawak cultures are named?
 
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On Brazillian terrain, that's how the Mata Atlântica looks:
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All those forest tiles should be converted to jungle.
And this is how the Cerrado, the Brazillian Savanah, can look like:

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I would hardly call this Grasslands. Though this image is not as stereotypical of the Cerrado as the previous one is to the Mata Atlântica, so I would need to research more to be able to say exactly which provinces should be converted from Grasslands into Forest/Woods.


Could we have a closer look on the terrain map for the Brazillian Northeast? I should be able to provide a more detailed feedback on that one.
 
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That Chinchay market is huuuge. Does that present any issues to the Andean tags?
There's a bug there that we need to fix, that's why it covers so much land.
 
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Okay so seeing the Ta-Arawakan language so far in deep south America makes me think that you are using it as a stand in for the Arawak language family, if that is the case you may ignore may previous suggestion of calling it Tainonaiki and just rename it to Arawak.

There is really no reason to call it Ta-Arawak if it's going to cover all Arawakan languages and not just the Ta-Arawak subgroup.

I would still be happy though if you split the language and call the mainland one Arawak and the island one Tainonaiki.
 
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A review of Brazil is sorely needed, both in density as well as in the aforementioned wastelands.
Also, hopefully the dynamic raw goods are already implemented, as seeing São Salvador da Bahia loc producing sand is... weird, to say the least.
 
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Not a fan of Southern Brazil. Even if it has the Mata Atlântica in mind, that doesn't mean it should be considered as wastelands (it's more likely for the highest peaks of the Brazilian Highlands to turn into wastelands imo) and the Portuguese likely didn't expand that much into the interior mostly due to low population and high aggressiveness coming from natives (as far as I know).
 
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I think other Brazilians can provide a more detailed feedback, but Brazilian map need some rework.

These large chunks of impassable terrain in the southern and southeastern regions are far from being impassable, like the Amazon. They pose a difficult for the player, because of the forest and hills, but are very suitable for humans.

Also, I wouldn’t use names of cultures for provinces. Many actual Brazilian cities have indigenous names, you can start from that
 
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Terrain
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There are huge geographical variations in South America, being one of the most diverse continents. One of the things I wanted to discuss is that we've tried to portray the Mata Atlântica, the original forest cover that was present in Brazil before the Portuguese colonized it, and a different type of land exploitation started. In this regard, we've been reading the feedback of the Brazilian community, and I want to say that our intention here is to portray the most realistic situation for 1337. That said, we've already internally discussed that we may reduce its scope a bit, so it doesn't look so extreme, but we'd like to hear your opinions about it. And here you have one of the images that we used as a reference for it, so you get a good grasp of our intention:
I don't think the huge swathes of grasslands immediately adjacent to the dense forests are very probable.

There should be plenty of 'woods' in the broad area around the jungles and forest locations imo.

Global forest cover map
 
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