Tinto Maps Special Edition - 6th of January 2025 - The World

[Albchannel]

Hello, and welcome to a Special Edition of our Tinto Maps series! Today, as a Three Wise Men present (a quite important tradition here in Spain), we'll be taking a look at how the different map modes look like throughout the entire world. Without further ado, maps!

Countries:
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Building-based Countries:
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SoPs:
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Dynasties:
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Country Governments:
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Court Languages:
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Locations:
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Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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Johan will talk this Wednesday about the effects of each terrain type.

Development:
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Harbors:
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We're also showing the map of European harbors, as that was not shown previously. Feel free to give your feedback!

Cultures:
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Languages:
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Religions:
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The Animism split was completed, and the grouping into bigger families is almost finished (there's some pending work on Western and Eastern Africa, but that's it).

Raw Materials:
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Markets:
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Population:
There is a total of 421M pops worldwide, distributed this way (and pending review, as we have identified some duplicates and errors that we have yet to fix, as in Germany, plus some additions in other places, as discussed in the different Tinto Maps threads):

• 99.203M in Europe
• 262.270M in Asia
• 37.204M in Africa
• 20.499M in America
• 1.885M in Oceania

And that's it for today! Although there's pending work yet to be done in the new year, we think that the progress since we started the Tinto Maps series last spring is noticeable, something that we wouldn't have achieved without your feedback. We will keep gathering, processing, and implementing it in the Tinto Maps Feedback posts, continuing with the Maghreb review, which will be shown tomorrow.

And this Friday 10th we will start a new series, Tinto Flavour, in which I will show and talk about the content that we have been creating for Project Caesar. We hope that you will enjoy this new series and that you can keep helping us make this a fun and engaging game. Cheers!

PS: Today is a bank holiday in Spain, so I will reply to the comments tomorrow.

Thank you for your hard work!
However, is it just me, or are NorthWest Pacific natives not present at all? They were literally settled and with stratified society and should IMO be not even SOP, but I can't see them.
Here's a great video about how they settled without need of agriculture
https://youtu.be/GSSX0Bc3Mvs?si=gcYqwwhrYWd334Y1

 

[GeneralNoob]

There seems to be a big disparity in area sizes between Europe and the rest of the world. How will this affect gameplay?

It wont. The game is population based. Not province based.

 

[pheonicia]

There seems to be a big disparity in area sizes between Europe and the rest of the world. How will this affect gameplay?

Well it'll make moving around have less options and be less interesting, but you'll need fewer forts to cover a much wider front, things we've pointed out in the past.

 

[GeneralNoob]

Well it'll make moving around have less options and be less interesting, but you'll need fewer forts to cover a much wider front, things we've pointed out in the past.

This logic only applies for larger nations. The size of the provinces is entirely irrelevant if we are talking about smaller nations bordering each other. Even in case of large nations, you can pretty much just take let's say 5 provinces and sit on them, routinely beat the enemy army to get what you want. Warfare is different from EU4. You dont need to move as much and it doesnt matter if there are more forts. You dont have to occupy them all anyways.

 

[nyetflix2]

Could we please see the market language map?

 

[Josh5678]

Looking cool so far, can't wait for the polar bear DLC and you add Antarctica right ? : ] . I forgot to ask and its maybe been talked about. Will the "terrain" of water for certain sea/ocean provinces affect travel speed or is just simple algorithm of gotta go fast?

 

[Basileus2]

Tintolicious

 

[matfer13]

Athens and Crete have greek as their liturgical language which is obviously wrong as it should be latin because they are catholic

And maybe the same should be done for the court language since Crete is a Venetian colony(Gallo-Italic) and Athens a Catalan fief(Occitan)

 

[Witcher587]

I don't like the new colour map for Piast dynasty. Btw, Piast - piast -piast

 

[kubin22]

Shouldn't Szczecin and Riga be better natural harbours?

 

[Wurrzag]

I feel like Hamburg should be the really good Harbour not Harburg. It seems wrong to me.

 

[eightarmed_willy]

I thought Sevilla, Cadiz, and Barcelona would be harbors in Iberia.

 

[Witcher587]

I'd suggest adding a natural harbour in Szczecin around Wolin island

 

[Monty is staring at me]

shouldn’t Iraq be speaking Arabic as the main language? The population at the time mainly spoke Arabic. Persian was (i believe) the language for administration and stuff. But not the main language spoken.

Arabic is the spoken language in Iraq. Persian is the court language. You're looking at the court language map.

 

[matfer13]

The map shows court language, not liturgical language.

Wrong, it's the one in the attachments

 

[Everpro]

Is a reworking of the east side of the South American continent being considered? mostly the wastelands of the Brazilian coast that need it most.

 

[Monty is staring at me]

Wrong, it's the one in the attachments

woops my bad hehe,
yeah that's weird

 

[Wildrake]

While Tunjur is indeed an Arabic-speaking group, this area shouldn't be majority arabic especially in this time period, especially considering they are non-Muslim in your map.
The area of Tunjur should be mostly Maban, here is the modern distribution:

Area of Daju should be Fur in the north, here is modern distribution of both:

Also, Wadai should be a tribe, or SOP even, Daju probably should be a tribe too, while Makuria and Alodia should be Monarchies.

Also, Bilala should speak the same language as Baguirmi not as Toubou or Kanembu

Also, Gumuz are not Arabic speakers, they are language isolate.

 

[EuropeChef]

It might be a good idea to make a natural harbor in western Overijssel (modern day Kampen area), as its the mouth of the IJssel, a distributary of the Rhine river. It was used by multiple Hanseatic trading cities like Zwolle and Deventer.

 

[nyetflix2]

I also think the dev map mode is utter nonsense, if it is suppose to reflect human activity. Rain forests and deserts are more developed than urban centres. Take Sarai as an example and compare it to some no name places around/in the Gobi desert.

EDIT:

Please explain what dev is suppose to reflect. There were multiple discussions about it in the past and it goes to no where, because it is not clear what it is suppose to show.

Quoted from the tinto talks on dev:

"in Project Caesar development represents how cultivated the land is, and how much it is used by the pops living there. The higher the development, the more people can live there, and the more it can be exploited."

So it is how much of the land is used for agriculture. It is not wealth, nor population, nor technically urbanization nor infrastructure.

I do think the dev map is ridiculous and its distinctions are exaggerated. Yemen, Central Asia, Ethiopia and Mesoamerica being so low dev seems inaccurate and borderline biased, especially when compared with higher dev places that are random backwaters in say Balochistan or the rural middle east. To be clear, they obviously shouldn't be as developed as India/China and probably not as much as Europe, but still.