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Tinto Maps Special Edition - 6th of January 2025 - The World

Hello, and welcome to a Special Edition of our Tinto Maps series! Today, as a Three Wise Men present (a quite important tradition here in Spain), we'll be taking a look at how the different map modes look like throughout the entire world. Without further ado, maps!

Countries:
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Building-based Countries:
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SoPs:
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Dynasties:
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Country Governments:
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Court Languages:
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Locations:
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Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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Johan will talk this Wednesday about the effects of each terrain type.

Development:
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Harbors:
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We're also showing the map of European harbors, as that was not shown previously. Feel free to give your feedback!

Cultures:
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Languages:
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Religions:
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The Animism split was completed, and the grouping into bigger families is almost finished (there's some pending work on Western and Eastern Africa, but that's it).

Raw Materials:
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Markets:
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Population:
There is a total of 421M pops worldwide, distributed this way (and pending review, as we have identified some duplicates and errors that we have yet to fix, as in Germany, plus some additions in other places, as discussed in the different Tinto Maps threads):
  • 99.203M in Europe
  • 262.270M in Asia
  • 37.204M in Africa
  • 20.499M in America
  • 1.885M in Oceania
And that's it for today! Although there's pending work yet to be done in the new year, we think that the progress since we started the Tinto Maps series last spring is noticeable, something that we wouldn't have achieved without your feedback. We will keep gathering, processing, and implementing it in the Tinto Maps Feedback posts, continuing with the Maghreb review, which will be shown tomorrow.

And this Friday 10th we will start a new series, Tinto Flavour, in which I will show and talk about the content that we have been creating for Project Caesar. We hope that you will enjoy this new series and that you can keep helping us make this a fun and engaging game. Cheers!

PS: Today is a bank holiday in Spain, so I will reply to the comments tomorrow.
 

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Yeah, the US State Areas really stick out like a sore thumb. Hoping they change them, considering most people on the original forum seemed to be against them.
 
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Ulpia Batavorum said:
This may be correct but the silting proces that made the Zwin unusable from 1500 onwards had already started at the start of the game. So from 1500 onwards that makes Brugge not a (great) natural harbor for most of the game. Since the map itself is also static it is fair to represent Brugge as a non natural harbor instead of it just dissapearing at some random point in the future
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Don't forget that Sluis is also included in the location, and that Bruges' connection to Sluis was still maintained even after the 1500s. The sanding of the Zwin was actively being combated by 2 dedicated dredging ships ever since 1400s (one of them appropriately called 'the Mole'), and evolved more into a man-made canal rather than a true inlet.

Dredging became less and less of a priority during the Burgundian Sucession war of the 1480s, when the Zwin suffered a 10-year long Blockade. Bruges kept its sea connection however through the canalised version. The transfer of Sluis to the Dutch Republic in the late 16th century was the final nail in the coffin for Bruges.

So is Bruges a natural harbor post 1500s? No, to that I fully agree. But for the sake of the first 150 years of gameplay and massive relevance of Bruges at game start it should get a mid to low tier natural harbor instead of none, imo.
 
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@Pavía I'm not the first one who asks for this but Sardinian should be it's own language in the romance language group like Frisian is to the Germanic group, it's not considered an Italian dialect today and it certanly wasn't in 1337 and despite its similarities to Italian and Spanish it is the most distant of all the Romance languages
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As you can see from the map you gave us
 
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The talk shows what the language of the Mongolian Yuan court was Chinese, but according to the recollection of Yu Ji 虞集, a Han official who passed away in 1348, Mongolian was necessary for conversation and writing in the Mongolian court. If you want to write documents and hand them over to the Emperor-Khan, you must use Mongolian as the main language and Chinese as a copy to be accepted by the Emperor-Khan.
 
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SaintDaveUK said:
Still undecided on what to do with Wales so not necessarily definitive. Trying a few things here and there to see what works in practice. Currently marcher lords represented as Nobility Estate in England but honestly I preferred it when they were in Wales' sphere. Expecting the discussion to pick up again when we do the feedback post.
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To throw another idea into the ring, have you considered a second tag to handle the marches? I.E, a Dominion subject as "The Principality of Wales" along the coast, and a "Welsh Marches" March subject to represent all the independent-ish marches?

Still would need a nobility estate privilege or something though, to keep England from just annexing them early in the game.
 
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SchwarzKatze said:
No? Only the area around modern Chifeng, Ulanqab, Hohhot, and Baotou are high dev, which borders Hebei and Shanxi. The rest are quite low dev like the rest of the steppes.

Hulunbuir looks like this:
It has the same colors as Kuban and the Kazakh Steppes.
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My man are you deliberately shitting with me? Yes one province around Manchuria is not as high dev as the rest of China. Wow. Totally got my point here. And since when is Chifeng bordering the Gobi desert? Yes I see that Manchuria is not high dev and guess what: It is not historically chinese territory. This area was controlled by manchurian tribes and historically they were quite different from the han chinese. Nowadays they arent and nowadays they are part of China, but that is besides my point. Historic China on the map is a beacon of ultra-high development. Be it in mountain, forests or even barely populated areas. And mind you I am not saying historic China should be low dev. I am saying:

If dev follows population, then there is inconsistency.

If dev is suppose to reflect agriculture, then there is inconsistency.

If dev is suppose to reflect monetary circulation, then there is inconsistency.

If dev is suppose to reflect human activity, then there is inconsistency.

Inconsistency not in China (might be as well, but not my point), but around the globe.
 
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GeneralNoob said:
My man are you deliberately shitting with me? Yes one province around Manchuria is not as high dev as the rest of China. Wow. Totally got my point here. And since when is Chifeng bordering the Gobi desert? Yes I see that Manchuria is not high dev and guess what: It is not historically chinese territory. This area was controlled by manchurian tribes and historically they were quite different from the han chinese. Nowadays they arent and nowadays they are part of China, but that is besides my point. Historic China on the map is a beacon of ultra-high development. Be it in mountain, forests or even barely populated areas. And mind you I am not saying historic China should be low dev. I am saying:

If dev follows population, then there is inconsistency.

If dev is suppose to reflect agriculture, then there is inconsistency.

If dev is suppose to reflect monetary circulation, then there is inconsistency.

If dev is suppose to reflect human activity, then there is inconsistency.
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Although, the southern region of Manchuria has long been a province of China, and in fact, except for Liaoning, Jilin Province has been influenced and developed by China for a considerable period of time.
 
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zeruosi said:
Although, the southern region of Manchuria has long been a province of China, and in fact, except for Liaoning, Jilin Province has been influenced and developed by China for a considerable period of time.
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It is long been a province of various nations controlling China, yes. They were not pacified by the han chinese until recent history. The mongols controlling them is not equal to chinese controlling them. Yuan is not China. It is part of chinese history. Likewise the Seljuks are part of Iraqi history, but not iraqi/arabic.
 
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Trepanator said:
Would Russian and Ruthenian realy be separate languages at this point in time?
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Yes, since Russiam, Belarusian, Ukrainian scientists all consider the XIV century as the starting point of this separation and the beginning of the Old Russian, Old Belarusian/Old Ukrainian periods of of the respective languages.
There are dozens of books and sources on this in the respective TM threads.
 
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GeneralNoob said:
It is long been a province of various nations controlling China, yes. They were not pacified by the han chinese until recent history. The mongols controlling them is not equal to chinese controlling them. Yuan is not China. It is part of chinese history. Likewise the Seljuks are part of Iraqi history, but not iraqi/arabic.
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You mean that Liaoning, which has been a province of China since the Zhou Dynasty was enfeoffed, is not ruled by the Chinese??
 
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Shouldn’t the future Wilhelmshaven be a decent natural harbor? My understanding is it was quite a good bluewater port site but before Prussia invested there wasn’t the economic presence to make it viable as anything but a pirate haven, which the Hansa put an end to.
 
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GeneralNoob said:
No. I am talking about Manchuria. I oversaw the "southern region" part in your previous comment.
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Because Manchuria is included in most Western maps (including Liaoning Province in EU4), I define it as the southern region, although I do not consider Liaoning to be a part of Manchuria. However, any empire that started from Manchuria, whether it was the Khitan, Jin, or Qing dynasties, ruled in the core area of Liaoning, which was the most developed region. At the same time, before the Qing dynasty relocated its population internally, there were actually a large number of Han Chinese and local residents living together in the narrow sense of southern Manchuria.
 
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