Tinto Talks #36 - 6th of November

[SaintDaveUK]

How will regnal numbers work for personal unions? Will both countries be ruled with the name being used in the senior partner or will we get something like James I of England and James VI of Scotland?

Their primary country will be used for the normal display name, but you will be able to see the character's other titles and their regnal numbers in a tooltip.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

Regarding titles, will only the well-known cultural titles be used such as Kaiser, Tsar, Basileos, Sultan? Meaning the top titles or will you get Konig for King and Graf for Count? Sometimes it is a hard line to know when to not cross as it would be better to use King in Spain and France than Rey in Spain or Roi in France.

We have a soft rule where if a ruler title is commonly used in English, or it represents a distinct concept from the English equivalent, we can use the unique cultural term. There is essentially no conceptual difference between the English King and French Roi so we don't translate, but Tsar and Sultan do exist in English.

 

[Johan]

Will be addressed some of the feedback on them , even if there are not negative enough?.

some are yes

 

[SaintDaveUK]

Can we access culture's special content if we Accept that culture? This would be a huge boon for modders.

Almost always that is possible to script as modders. For the base game it depends on the content, we don't have a single rule for everything but script it on a case by case basis.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

Also may I ask, why don't the language map modes have stripes like culture?

It's possible, problem is it's just an extra calculation every month on every location which slows the game down.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

West Slavic as 1 singular language existing on the map is ridiculous. As long as it's not near the border, czechs understand polish about as much as any of the east or south slavic languages.

You are using the present tense, but how was it in 1337?

 

[SaintDaveUK]

'You can swap your primary culture with an accepted culture if it fulfils the requirements, such as if it becomes the dominant culture in your country or if it is the culture of your ruler. There is also a game rule for it to be of the same Culture Group.'
This would make certain primary culture changes impossible - f.e. in the crusader states from French/Catalan/German to Greek/Estonian or in independent ex-colonies from the language of the colonisers to the native peoples'.

That's why its an optional game rule and not default

 

[SaintDaveUK]

That's why it's a game rule you can change.

EDIT: Saint Dave got to you just before I did lol. Hey Saint Dave, how about you answer some of my hardballs instead of these easy dunks huh?!?!?!

Hardballs require well thought out answers but it's currently 9am and I haven't had a coffee because I was late to my morning meeting.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

Shouldn't English and Frisian be the same language at this level of granularity?

As far as I am aware Frisian as distinct enough to not be mutually intelligble with English is a fairly recent development taking place towards the end of the game's timeframe.

Also English, Scots and Frisian should be under the same languagegroup wihin the Germanic languagefamily. Naming of that group could either be Anglo-Frisian (my primary suggestion) or Ingveonic.

The Anglo-Frisian link is outdated by 1337. The divergence started circa 500 AD, but most significantly the Middle English of 1337 had already been heavily modified by Danish and Norman French.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

Are there any mechanics having to do with writing systems?

I hope this ties in with writing, would especially make sense in East Asia, the Islamic world and Catholic Europe.

Now I'm wondering if a writing system mechanics couldn't be added to it. It would probably have a huge impact on administration and research in particular.

No, unfortunately the different writing systems are a bridge too far for the current iteration of the language system.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

why is the languange of ethiopia Ethiopic not Ge'ez
Is there any historical reason

Dialects are not done for Africa yet, but I suspect Ge'ez would be represented as a dialect of Ethiopic.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

are there plans to add more varied combat animations instead of a single repeated one? And when can we expect to see in-game footage of combat/battles and sieges?

Oh boy I can't wait to show you

 

[SaintDaveUK]

@SaintDaveUK two questions:
1. can you confirm or deny that a single culture can have only one dialect? There seems to be disagreement about that in this thread.

A culture has 1 dialect.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

If you can form a union like the PLC would the union get polish and lithuanian as primary? Or only one of them would be primary?

You always have exactly 1 primary culture. It would depend which primary culture you form it with

 

[SaintDaveUK]

I’m interested in whether Project Caesar takes into account the distinct identity of the Netherlands within the broader German-speaking world. While I agree with the decision to categorize Dutch as part of the German language family (as a dialect), I believe that over time, Dutch will evolve further into a separate language. My question is: does the project recognize the Dutch as distinct enough culturally and historically from their German neighbors?

Yes, the Germanic cultures of the Low Countries belong to the German AND Netherlandish culture groups.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

4. Poland also should have Latin as court language.

In my opinion, court language in XVI century in Poland, should be Latin...

Done

 

[SaintDaveUK]

EDIT : Just one minor thing I've noticed : Fribourg (Switzerland) is shown as having a High German court language. While it did eventually become the administative language of the city-state, I believed it remained French until the 15th century. High German became the court language when the city state aligned with the Swiss Cantons. The process if I recall correctly started ca. 1400-1420 and was fully realised only in 1481. I don't have the sources rn but I may provide them later.

That's because Fribourg location is currently owned by Austria

 

[SaintDaveUK]

This maybe answers my question actually, though it would be clearer if it said "culture group ONLY exists to show connections beyond language", and probably less confusing if it was renamed to "secondary culture group" or something like that, so that it is obvious that the primary culture group is simply the language one…
Is this the correct interpretation?

Not really, they have different purposes. I wouldnt say one is primary or secondary.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

If I understand correctly, this means that cultures which use the same language could have no culture group in common !? (ex : occitan/catalan cultures)

The strong link between such cultures is already shown with language, its superfluous to duplicate every language to the culture group system as well.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

Perhaps the linguistic terms of variety or lect would be a better fit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_(linguistics)

Variety: (linguistics) A specific form of a language, neutral to whether that form is an accent, dialect, register, etc., and to its prestige level; an isolect or lect.

Lect: (linguistics, sociolinguistics) A specific form of a language or language cluster: a language or a dialect.

Isolect: (linguistics) A language or dialect; coined as a neutral term between ‘language’ and ‘dialect.’

Other synonyms: code, idiom, languoid

I'm currently entertaining "Vernacular" but I still think Dialect is better despite its political baggage. Most of the others are far too academic in nature for a game.