Tinto Talks #40 - 4th of December 2024

[Johan]

Agreed. This is 100% a meme policy. Going to end up with common Vinland exploits on day one.

For who?

Greenland will be lucky if they rediscover even Markland

 

[Johan]

Maybe a better name would be "Governing Principles" and rename "Crown" to "Government"

legacy

 

[Johan]

Does it also mean that we can change reforms every several years if we want?

if you wish to spend stab yes

 

[SaintDaveUK]

If that is the case, then please, hand exploration and settling bonuses to every single low-population, seafaring western European that tried to have even the most remote of colonial projects. It is only fair.

We should recognise their knowledge, too, after all.

Sure, if you post a list of other European countries who have a cultural memory of reaching the Americas in 1337 I'll add the same modifier to them

 

[Johan]

How many unique government reforms would there be by release?
Would additional government reforms be added in updates or dlc's?

lots.

more.

 

[Johan]

What exactly is the distinction between policies and reforms?

Reforms are more flexible.

laws are "pick 1 of x policies"

 

[Johan]

One note - aren't these little people icons next to the numbers supposed to be different for each estate?

which ones?

 

[Pavía]

Cool, internally how do you guys decide what should be a policy and what should be a government reform?

We toss a coin, and it depends if it's heads or tails.

Now seriously speaking, this is very, very contextual. It depends a lot on the historical content we have for a certain country. So, let's say, we have a Law for the Legal Code, it may be easy to check if there was a unique/specific legal code for a certain country. But sometimes you may have a specific tax that may fit into several categories, so it could perfectly be a government reform, but also could potentially fit into, let's say, a Law of Economic Policy. But also if a country has 2 or 3 content assets that are kind of similar, sometimes we want them to be a choice for the player, so they fall in the same category, and for others, we may want them to be active at the same time, so they're all available at the same time, depending on the gameplay we think that works better for that country.

 

[Johan]

Would we eventually get a list of unique government reforms so that they could better benefit from community feedback (and satiate our curiosity too of course)?

eventually if its easy to get in a usable format

 

[Johan]

Cool, internally how do you guys decide what should be a policy and what should be a government reform?

If its "a OR b" its a policy for a law.

 

[Johan]

A bit underwhelming, I was expecting to see quite a few more.

BUT super HYPED to finally learn about parliaments! One of the features I have been most hyped about. Please make it cool and fun and interactive and not just a cheese button you press to get modifiers like in EU4

I can't guarantee that it will be your dreams, but its a good system.

 

[Pavía]

Just wondering, for Castille, how are you going to implement the Basque "Fueros"? Is it going to be through a government reform described in this TT? Specially because of the weird interplay between being part of a bigger country but at the same time having the privilege of not giving manpower to castille or not having to obey laws that went against their traditions ("Foru Pasea")

We're not being able to get into that level of regional governance with so much granularity, sorry. And I'm telling you this from the perspective of someone who wrote a thesis chapter about the situation and development of municipal and regional 'fueros' in the Crown of Castile from 1252 to 1284, and who would love to have that level of granularity portrayed somehow.

 

[Johan]

Not to mention that it's not the same thing to send your fleets sailing across the huge and empty middle of the Atlantic Oceans, and sending it from Iceland to Greenland to modern Canada. While the northern seas definitely aren't exactly safe, what Iberians pulled off was a lot more impressive AND it was a big step in sailing other huge empty oceans.

Vinland and Columbus' Expeditions only share the destination, NOTHING else was the same. They should not be equalized.

There is no way for Iceland to get to the carribean and colonize it within the first few centuries..

 

[Johan]

Also not a fan of the Family Sagas reform. Even though they may lack the population for large colonization efforts, it just seems like it'll result in a level of exploration and colonization by Iceland culture countries in every campaign that simply didn't happen historically in the game's period. Not saying that they didn't have any explorers, but let's be honest, most of the exploration of the world in the Early Modern Age was done by Iberians or those employed by the Iberians, and then later the English, Dutch, and French. Why does the Icelandic culture have such significant bonuses that will at least put them on par with those countries, if not much better?

a single exploration costs money which iceland can't afford in 1337. not to mention what greenland can. If you want to do it, you need to improve before..

 

[SaintDaveUK]

Do the Irish count with the "Hy-Brasil" island folk story? XD

No, but Hy-Brasil is the name of a seazone in the Atlantic as a small easter egg

 

[Johan]

How moddable is all this?

you can add as many as you want and how many slots you want.

 

[Johan]

I imagine you have plans for regional ideas to conver most of those right? As in HRE ideas or Indian ideas for the nations that would otherwise have nothing

Thats mostly for advances but yes.

 

[Pavía]

It's this a full na me change or just a French thing?
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It's a flavor name for countries with French as court language.

 

[Johan]

What are the two reforms that France has here? I assume one is Diplomatic Traditions

No.


They start with two unique "entirely beneficial and good" government reforms.

 

[Johan]

When is the "Tinto Release Date" series coming up, by the way?

What do we say to the God of Death?