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Yesterday should have been a dev diary day, but I forgot that May 1 is actually some sort of Red holiday, and turning up to work gets you lined up against a wall and shot. However, this is not the time to discuss the mysterious idols, totems and faiths of the previous century. Let us instead think back much further, to simpler - if no less bloody - times, before Socialist May Day, before Christian Walpurgis Night, when the bonfires blazed for the Old Gods...

To begin with, religious Moral Authority has been revamped. The base value is now determined by the number of Holy Sites under the control of the religion. On top of this, there are various timed modifiers (think character opinions) for things like winning or losing holy wars, or building temples. This new system applies to all religions, not just the pagans. The pagan religions do tend to start with fewer Holy Sites under their control, but on the other hand there are no pagan heresies to worry about.

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Now, as mentioned in previous dev diaries, pagans enjoy a number of advantages, but they also suffer from some frustrating limitations. Foremost, perhaps, is that they are stuck with Gavelkind. Pagan vassals are also a lot more suspicious of new rulers on succession (harsher "short reign" opinions), they cannot demand conversion of vassals, and they are easily impressed by the cunning missionaries of the Abrahamic religions. To avoid these problems, pagans can of course simply give up the old ways and convert, but there is another option; pagan religions can be reformed in imitation of those clever monotheists. With a proper church hierarchy, a holy book, and standardized rituals, the pagan religions can become more competitive.

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Reforming the faith is not easy; you need to control three of the holy sites and have a lot of Piety to boot. After reforming, your faith will be given a religious head. In the case of Norse Pagans, the character who conducted the reformation will become the Fylkir, serving as both secular ruler and religious leader in much the same way as an Islamic Caliph. You may now declare holy wars, both great pagan Crusades and regular religious wars against infidels. Other pagan religions get a vassal religious head, like the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.

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There are tradeoffs to reforming the faith, however. You will lose the Subjugation casus belli and the defensive home attrition, and the unreformed version of your religion will become a heresy (which can cause problems for you.) As a pagan, you will normally want to grow quickly using your invasion and subjugation CBs, and then try to either reform your religion or convert in order to consolidate and stabilize your realm...

That's all for now. Next week's topic is special pagan events and decisions!

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Bonus! Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods expansion in-depth Q&A at PC Gamer
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It seemed to me a lack of respect to those who feel the importance of May the 1st as an international holiday.

Anyways, I am not aware of the quality of Scandinavian humor.

I just noticed your location was Berkeley, and giggled at stereotype. Really, take a moment off from your never ending quest for peace and justice and laugh. Learning to laugh at ourselves, and to not take yourself too seriously is the best way to avoid becoming like what we are fighting against.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." -
Friedrich Nietzsche
 
Zoroastrians are not considered as pagans. They have their own religion group, Doomdark said page 4

mechanics wise, having their own group and not getting a reformation mechanic are different things so maybe. Probably not but who knows.

Itd be nice to a restoration thing where theyd go from being broken and shattered to a credible and taken seriously world stage level religion and so allowed to call crusades or whatever

Worshipers of Ahriman make for a good video game badguys, but is there any real historic evidence of these existing?

I think the closest Zurvanism which sees Ahriman as a twin and on equal footing with Ohrmuzd and so worshipped both equally as two sides of the same thing.
 
It seemed to me a lack of respect to those who feel the importance of May the 1st as an international holiday.

Anyways, I am not aware of the quality of Scandinavian humor.
Really? The 1st of May represent that to you, well here in Denmark the 1st of May is being ruined by egg and water throwing socialists...
Also i doubt he was serious.
Now back on topic:
I love the idea of pagan reformations, allowing pagans to fight back the infidel monotheists sounds awesome ;)
 
I still wanted to know if having holy sites in your territory would give you as a ruler any bonus at all
 
On Zoroastrian heresies, I hope we get some for TOG. At the least we should get Manichaeism, which was still very much relevant in 9th century Central Asia. Perhaps we can also have different Iranian culture groups like the Sogdians.
 
I am no uber Muslim by any extent, but there isn't any "holy value" to Cordoba from theological perspective.

Doomdark explained that it's less a matter of being a holy site per se but more a matter of centers of islamic/christian/pagan/zoroastrian influence, if I recall correctly.
So it's less "holy things happened HERE!" and more like "We spread our religion to THIS place, look how amazing we are"
 
Doomdark explained that it's less a matter of being a holy site per se but more a matter of centers of islamic/christian/pagan/zoroastrian influence, if I recall correctly.
So it's less "holy things happened HERE!" and more like "We spread our religion to THIS place, look how amazing we are"

I know, but there are dozens of more important places of Islamic interests than Cordoba.
 
Look at it from a practical point of view: Cordoba is glorious enough to be considered, but also far enough to be a challenging one to get from Baghdad.
Edit: even as Cairo might have been fitting, it's too close.
 
The questions about Cordoba make me think : could we have an event to make the Ummayads sultanate a caliphate ?
It will be hard to model but it would be fun too
 
I just noticed your location was Berkeley, and giggled at stereotype. Really, take a moment off from your never ending quest for peace and justice and laugh. Learning to laugh at ourselves, and to not take yourself too seriously is the best way to avoid becoming like what we are fighting against.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." -
Friedrich Nietzsche
While I like the quote and the sense of general encouragement, suffice to say that I do not find myself comfortable with the political atmosphere at Berkeley. I don't like unorganized and naively idealistic left wing movements.

So, no stereotype to giggle about.