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aedan777 said:
I actually thought Tonka was Merlin in the early game, before I realized that since TNT didn't sabotage mission 1, that meant Tamius had, throwing my previous assumption out the window. As I tried to think who it could be Falc handed it to me

I figured there was no way anyone besides Merlin would know that and once I looked at the voting assuming Falc was Merlin and Tamius was Ysssbalden it all fit.
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Yeah, he was far too obvious there to be anything else. I can see why he done it, if that mission had been approved game over, but at the end of the day, his announcement didn't actually change anyone's opinion. We can only know that in hindsight, but looking back he could have refrained from saying that and the team still would have been rejected.

EDIT: Although, actually, as Perceval I, by this stage, had worked out with certainty Morgana, SLancelot, and I knew either you or jpr was Octa, and that tamius or you was Ysbaddaen. Once Falc made that post, I knew exactly the line-up, but I didn't notice the post in time to change my vote.
So it wasn't impossible that Falc could have worked it out without being Merlin, although it did make him the best candidate.


EDIT2: Wait, so TNT didn't sabotage the first mission? Did he say that whenever he turned? Because I totally missed that part, somehow.
 
TNT said that he sabotaged mission 2, but not Mission 1. I did not sabotage mission 1, because I thought TNT would. That comment led me to realize Tamius was Ysssbaden and that I should look for a new Merlin.
 
accept
 
aedan777 said:
I actually thought Tonka was Merlin in the early game, before I realized that since TNT didn't sabotage mission 1, that meant Tamius had, throwing my previous assumption out the window. As I tried to think who it could be Falc handed it to me

I figured there was no way anyone besides Merlin would know that and once I looked at the voting assuming Falc was Merlin and Tamius was Ysssbalden it all fit.
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Hey, I said all along Tamius was a spy. I didn't need Falc to tell me that. What made it obvious was him outing you. There was nothing in the game to suggest you were a spy and the 3 spy team theory was really unlikely. The only reason anyone would push that was because they knew who the spies were.

It took me too long to work out Marty's role though. When he accused me of being a spy I immediately chalked him up as '100% spy' but I eventually realised his actions made no sense if he had been a spy and the fact he had accused me meant that he couldn't be Merlin either.
 
Accept team.
Support mission.


Aedan, as you said yourself, you didn't want to win this way.

The reason for this rule is obviously to give Merlin a bloody good reason to not spill the beans the first chance he gets. I did my utmost best to remain behind the screens but having my own mission fail due to Lancelot forced me to step forward further than I'd have wanted.

If you feel I was too obvious about it, feel free to claim the victory.
If not, then perhaps we can all agree that a tie is a better reflection of how the game went.
 
marty99 said:
That is exactly it.

Unfortunately, PercyFalc wants to try and hide me from Octa so he denies me being Merlin. He is not aware of this particular Marty plot, and in fact he actually makes more obviously Merlin :(
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I'll agree that was a bad move. I didn't grasp your argument as completely as I should have. At that point, your goodness was still much in doubt and I needed you on the team since I didn't want to take a Lancelot risk. So when I saw you claiming either you or Citizen had to be Morgana, I thought I could help out by stating you couldn't be Morgana.
 
marty99 said:
EDIT: Yes, of course Falc's the real fucking Merlin. I mean seriously, randy, TNT, could you guys really not see what I was trying to do?!! You can't see any benefit in pretending to be Merlin? No, instead it's 'hurr durr, anyone claiming to be Merlin must be a spy derp derp'
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Heh. I've suspected since the second he started calling me a moron and calling Tamius and Aedan spies.
There was absolutely zero reason for him to say that with such vehemence. The analysis was perfectly clear. Couldn't be clearer, in fact.

But seriously ... You really think I was publicly going to mention that little bit of speculation?
I never said *anything* on how smart or foolish I thought you claiming merlin was.
Yeah, I never understood the Ysbaddaen play, but that's a different story :p

jpr123 said:
It seems like only 3 people in this game figured out who the real Merlin is. Honestly, I'm surprised Aedan managed to when he is new to the whole resistance thing. When Citizen basically admitted to being a spy and said I was the likely Merlin I thought we would actually win :(
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Actually, WHY did you people keep hinting there was some deeper play there? Why dance around it constantly like that?
You guys were telling me I'm a bloody idiot for not understanding, while all this time YOU were the idiots for not shutting the hell up.. ;-)

## accept team
 
Falc said:
Accept team.
Support mission.


Aedan, as you said yourself, you didn't want to win this way.

The reason for this rule is obviously to give Merlin a bloody good reason to not spill the beans the first chance he gets. I did my utmost best to remain behind the screens but having my own mission fail due to Lancelot forced me to step forward further than I'd have wanted.

If you feel I was too obvious about it, feel free to claim the victory.
If not, then perhaps we can all agree that a tie is a better reflection of how the game went.
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Having your mission was sabotaged was gutting for me.

The whole reason I outed myself as a spy was because I thought it would give you a better chance of getting your team approved, obviously I couldn't say this in the thread at the time. It actually worked out perfectly, but the only flaw was that you didn't know SLancelot, I was aware of this, but it was still worth the risk.
Then again, Murphy's Law: Anything that can go wrong, will. So outing myself, while achieving the desired result, ended up being for nothing.
 
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Falc said:
I'll agree that was a bad move. I didn't grasp your argument as completely as I should have. At that point, your goodness was still much in doubt and I needed you on the team since I didn't want to take a Lancelot risk. So when I saw you claiming either you or Citizen had to be Morgana, I thought I could help out by stating you couldn't be Morgana.
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Hey, to be fair, when I made that post I was still in character, and trying to make it look like you were Perceval trying to protect me. It wasn't a bad move on your part there, necessarily, but I think the damage was done earlier.

randakar said:
Heh. I've suspected since the second he started calling me a moron and calling Tamius and Aedan spies.
There was absolutely zero reason for him to say that with such vehemence. The analysis was perfectly clear. Couldn't be clearer, in fact.
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Well, the game would be over if that team was approved, so he must have felt he had nothing to lose. As it turns out, though, I think he could have gotten away without saying it, but we only know that in hindsight.
But seriously ... You really think I was publicly going to mention that little bit of speculation?
I never said *anything* on how smart or foolish I thought you claiming merlin was.
Yeah, I never understood the Ysbaddaen play, but that's a different story :p
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Like I said in the previous post, having the resistance be 'certain' of one spy (even though they're actually not) would make them more likely to acept Falc's team, who I was fairly sure was Merlin at this point. And it worked perfectly; we just had the misfortune of Spy Lancelot being on the team. Once Falc propose the team, I was annoyed TNT was on it because all the evidence pointed to him being SLancelot:
The fact that both Merlin and Morgana approved a team with him on it indicated there had to be a SLancelot on the team, but the others in the team were me and you who I knew were resistance.


Actually, WHY did you people keep hinting there was some deeper play there? Why dance around it constantly like that?
You guys were telling me I'm a bloody idiot for not understanding, while all this time YOU were the idiots for not shutting the hell up.. ;-)
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Well, what I was trying to do was to get you to keep quiet about it. Falc posted to confirm that I was essentially telling the truth, and that he believed me, but you and TNTkept saying Falc didn't believe me by quote-mining an earlier post of his, which forced him to make about 3 more posts telling everyone he trusted me, which neither of you seemed to read, because you didn't make any reply to those posts, which blew his cover even more.
And I don't think my saying there was a deeper play lead anyone to Falc, I don't think anyone really understood the point of my gambits until now, maybe still not now.

Not that you weren't right to question me, I don't mean to point the finger. It's just that the way things turned out, everyone refusing to listen to anything I said, even whenever it made perfect logical sense, forced Merlin to basically have to publicly defend me.
 
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randakar said:
Heh. I've suspected since the second he started calling me a moron and calling Tamius and Aedan spies.
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I never called you a moron.

But yeah, with all the good guys somehow determined to not trust Marty and trust Citizen instead, I had to do something or the game was lost.
 
I trusted neither Marty nor Citizen.
 
Going to call the team of videonfan, randakar, Falc, marty99 jpr123 APPROVED 9-1. Citizen1oo1 will default to Reject for not being on the team. The preponderance of votes is such that a single vote doesn't matter much.

Approve: Everyone but Citizen1oo1

Reject: Citizen1oo1


Mission #5 was a SUCCESS. Resistance is ahead 3-2, but the Spies' Octa player gets to make a guess at Merlin by PM.
 
The Octa player has successfully guessed the identity of Merlin

SPY VICTORY

I won't announce the players identities, as per the usual custom. Anyone who wants to speculate or argue over who was what can continue to do so for the time being.
 
I think this is more of a tie then a loss, (my perfect record gone!) and if you were wondering I am the Good Lancelot, we switched, then switched back, also I think the switch was the nail in the coffin if it didn't happen I'm pretty sure Octa would have chosen me as merlin, though either way I had fun, Good Job guys, and Spies.

Thanks for hosting Cliges, hopefully the next resistance game will be up soon, I would like to play again.
 
I'm glad you liked it.

Roles might have to reconfigured, but a role game worked out very well. I much prefer it to plot cards.

I had thought that maybe Merlin could possibly have a single scan each round and the Octa-type role could be ditched entirely, but there would then be nothing to keep the Merlin from just announcing scan results.

Or maybe some Resistance start off knowing one spy, each. But again, that balance favors the Resistance against the Spies. Or else it would descend into a mass of confusion with conflicting claims of who is Resistance or not, which might not really add anything to the game.

I actually went with the Lancelots at jpr's request in the rules thread. The various other set-ups possible with Lancelot can be read here.

I'm still not sure whether or not it was best to exclude the Excalibur rules, but I thought in the first game of this nature, it would be best to keep things somewhat on the simpler side. That feature allows the player with Excalibur to force another player's order to flip to the opposite of what it was. It could be used well or poorly, or for Resistance or Spy advantage. You can see it explained in detail here.

Instead of Ysbaddaden, there is also the option to use Mordred, who is known to the other Spies, and knows them, but is invisible to Merlin.
 
Oh, and I will say this:


The Lancelots switched in round 3 and switched back in 4. I was surprised myself that it happened as many times as possible in as brief a period of time as possible. Of course, only 2 switches are possible per game (under more or less standard rules), so they stayed the same for round 5.
 
Playing as Ysbaddaden is very odd. I was lucky to have got myself on a team and sabotaged, but after that it was fairly obvious I was a Spy to the Resistance and there wasn't much I could do after that, since I wasn't going on any more Missions and didn't know who the Spies were to get a team to wangle another failed mission.
 
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