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Thure said:
An expansion for HoI3? Please no! NO! NO! That would be stuped. The games have completly different goals. The game looks like HoI3 but the devs clearly said, it's a different game. A Cold War expansion for a World War game would just be stuped. It wouldn't work well.
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I don't see much of an argument, but to each their own I guess.

A continuiation of the HOI3 timeline into the Cold War with the mere addition of historical leaders and events would be hardly worth to be anything more than minor DLC or an extensive mod. As for the new mechanics, namely, the new faction system, better nukes, ship designer (if it does end up happenning), demographics, these imho absolutely don't justify a game at a full price at all. They could instead be provided in the form of an Expansion Pack or smaller DLCs.

Of course, with that comes the removal of ministers and of some military formations in the order of battles...so eh, I'm not sure the upgrade is even worth it that much. It'd have to have a very good insurgency system to deal with that era. Which the current game seems to lack a bit in.

And you can suggest historical rulers in We are the World. The devs maked it clair, that they changed it, if you suggest it.
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I believe I already covered that.

Fantasy characters can pop out from AI-controlled countries regardless of player agency. As for the already historical characters and their insta-deaths, I have seen a few other players bring it up. Seems like the decision has been taken to go down that path.

roplox said:
Meanwhile, people who rant on the forums
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I don't see anyone ranting. People are asking rather respectfully to be...advertised to, and in turn they get banned.

I know that asking for DDs can be slightly disruptive to a forum's operations, but what kind of community wouldn't wonder about a sudden 4 month silence, and how is it supposed to react to being taken away their means of expressing their honest curiosity?

It's not like people are whining over a DD that got delayed for a week, and threatening to cancel their pre-orders or something. There were DDs published once a month and now there is a 4-month gap without any explanation given. Let's also please not compare writting a DD to a herculean effort. Some of the already published ones are rather poorly written out.
 
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Tightwad said:
I don't see much of an argument, but to each their own I guess.

A continuiation of the HOI3 timeline into the Cold War with the mere addition of historical leaders and events would be hardly worth to be anything more than minor DLC or an extensive mod. As for the new mechanics, namely, the new faction system, better nukes, ship designer (if it does end up happenning), demographics, these imho absolutely don't justify a game at a full price at all. They could instead be provided in the form of an Expansion Pack or smaller DLCs.
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let's continue the list of added features: intelligence system completely new, statistics finally expanded, technology screen completely redone, factories present no longer these IC, units have manpower and equipment to name a few. These are just the confirmed ones. This is much more than an expansion and it is certainly not a small DLC type of product. Most new game which are sequels do not have as many new and exciing new features as EvW and they charge prices like 60-70 dollars. Some even go up to the 80 dollars (call of duty)
 
Just a general note: Taking out parts of what I say and twisting them to imply what they don't really, does not work with me guys, I am not subject to trolling I do this professionally. :)

Clearly my point is that you do not know how many DDs will be made prior to EvW being release because it has not been released yet. So peoples claims that it is not getting the care it deserves is an assumption on their part.
In any case we try to be as honest as we can, we do not want to say a DD will be released on this particular date, since the ramification of then not being able to release it on that date are much worse.

And if you don't think people will throw a flaming torch about you claiming a feature in a DD that is not in release, well I really don't know what to say about that, clearly your memory for game release day threads differs significantly from mine. :)
 
Castellon said:
Just a general note: Taking out parts of what I say and twisting them to imply what they don't really, does not work with me guys, I am not subject to trolling I do this professionally. :)

Clearly my point is that you do not know how many DDs will be made prior to EvW being release because it has not been released yet. So peoples claims that it is not getting the care it deserves is an assumption on their part.
In any case we try to be as honest as we can, we do not want to say a DD will be released on this particular date, since the ramification of then not being able to release it on that date are much worse.

And if you don't think people will throw a flaming torch about you claiming a feature in a DD that is not in release, well I really don't know what to say about that, clearly your memory for game release day threads differs significantly from mine. :)
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Exactly, give EvW some time.
 
Magyar1988 said:
Most new game which are sequels do not have as many new and exciing new features as EvW and they charge prices like 60-70 dollars. Some even go up to the 80 dollars (call of duty)
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OK. Let's name a few.

People call out Call of Duty for re-using assets, but most certainly the new models and textures they bring out each time outnumber the ones PI does, and that applies to games like EU4, nevermind EvW... That most certainly applies to other matters, such as scripting, music, etc. A semi-casual player with no programming skills could do their own custom country within an afternoon, with its own territory, leaders and even scripted events. I am in no way comparing scripts to the modification required for actual gameplay mechanics (and I say modification, because the same engine is being reused, and HoI3 is clearly used as a basis, too), but simply pointing out how wrong it is to compare EvW to an AAA title. Part of the reason AAA titles have such a high budget has to do with how many people are working on the game, something that can of course not be said for EvW.
 
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(and I say modification, because the same engine is being reused, and HoI3 is clearly used as a basis, too)
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EUIV use the same engine as CK2. You can see that's the same engine.

HoI2, AoD, Darkest Hour, Victoria all use the same Engine. And? Are this all modifications?
 
Dear Forum Member,

We do hear you. Most of us do read the forum every day, and in some cases we even answer.
It is worthwhile to say it again that we can only give out information on something that was already covered in a DD or other information source (like interviews or the stream). That we do constantly.

Pacing of DDs and marketing is done by the professionals. We trust them.

The game is well. Development continues.

And the we are the world is information. We could have even called them DDs. How much information should a DD have? I followed some releases (hey, I'm a great fan of PI games, why would I be here otherwise), and some DDs described major systems of the game, while others concerned with minor points.
If all DD would be about major parts, then we definitely could not write 44 of them. There is economy, military, diplomacy, internal politics, espionage and research. And then fit everything from space race, through nukes to population dynamics into these categories and release 6 DDs each of them dozens of pages (screens). :)
 
One more point. I know some of you expressed that Dev Intros are waste of time, and you don't care about them.
May I kindly point you to the fact these Dev Intros in each case tell you what that particular person is working on. Those are all areas that get development times. They could be valuable source of information if one pays attention to them. Please read the information we give out!
 
Tightwad said:
OK. Let's name a few.

People call out Call of Duty for re-using assets, but most certainly the new models and textures they bring out each time outnumber the ones PI does, and that applies to games like EU4, nevermind EvW... That most certainly applies to other matters, such as scripting, music, etc. A semi-casual player with no programming skills could do their own custom country within an afternoon, with its own territory, leaders and even scripted events. I am in no way comparing scripts to the modification required for actual gameplay mechanics (and I say modification, because the same engine is being reused, and HoI3 is clearly used as a basis, too), but simply pointing out how wrong it is to compare EvW to an AAA title. Part of the reason AAA titles have such a high budget has to do with how many people are working on the game, something that can of course not be said for EvW.
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well I can't say what kind of experience you have with the different Paradox games, but obviously not a whole lot judging by that you have not registered any games here and are relatively new to the forum. You claim that it takes an afternoon to create a custom country. It is so far away from the truth. But if you are so skilled why don't you register your copies and head over to the mod section of the chosen game and create a country in an afternoon.
 
kunadam said:
One more point. I know some of you expressed that Dev Intros are waste of time, and you don't care about them.
May I kindly point you to the fact these Dev Intros in each case tell you what that particular person is working on. Those are all areas that get development times. They could be valuable source of information if one pays attention to them. Please read the information we give out!
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it is not that people do not care if only real DDs would be released as well then it would be perfect.
 
kunadam said:
Dear Forum Member,

We do hear you. Most of us do read the forum every day, and in some cases we even answer.
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I really believe this, and i can say that i even trust you. When i was saying that i don´t think that you listen to us, i was directing this towards PI. I know that they are directing the flow of information, not you. Just continue the good work that you are doing...
 
I just want to reiterate that the Devs themselves and BL-Logic is doing a fantastic job and this is not their problem. The annoyance lies with the Publishing department and the way it is being handled by them. EU4 got weekly DD's, a CK2 DLC gets Weekly DD's, then why does EvW DD's come at a really irregular pace. BL-Logic keep up the good work and develop this fantastic game.
 
kunadam said:
One more point. I know some of you expressed that Dev Intros are waste of time, and you don't care about them.
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I thought they where pretty interesting! But admittedly DD > Dev intros.

kunadam said:
Please read the information we give out!
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I do. Religiously!

EvW is 1. The game I am easily looking forward to the most and 2. From the screens and stream, looking great so far. But I do miss those semi-casual weekly Facebook screen shots.
 
Actually, no one is blaming you-the developers. We're pointing fingers at PI's PR department due to their...well I'd say bias. We all know that Europa Universalis is PI's "baby",but that doesn't mean every other project ("in-house" or not) should get this treatment. Like the others said before, the amount of attention EU 4 (or should I rather say EU 3.5, although that's my opinion) got compared to EvW at the same stage of development, is just mind boggling. We all know how hard you're working on the game and I personally saw in your live stream that you're really serious about making this game the best Cold War era, grand RTS game to date. As for the Developer introductions, I think they're quite interesting and it does show your commitment to the project. I'm looking forward for any new info you guys are allowed to give and hopefully the game will be ready on time.
 
Castellon said:
Just a general note: Taking out parts of what I say and twisting them to imply what they don't really, does not work with me guys, I am not subject to trolling I do this professionally. :)
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Infact nobody has twisted what you have said, it's exactly what you had written.

Castellon said:
Clearly my point is that you do not know how many DDs will be made prior to EvW being release because it has not been released yet. So peoples claims that it is not getting the care it deserves is an assumption on their part.
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"Also above it was complained that other releases had received more DDs than this game, including DLC releases. Well that is natural, this game has not been released yet and those have." This is your previous phrase from your previous reply, what you had written before isn't like what you are saying after, everybody can see it.

Castellon said:
In any case we try to be as honest as we can, we do not want to say a DD will be released on this particular date, since the ramification of then not being able to release it on that date are much worse.
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Infact we aren't asking for DD's on a specific date in a specific hour, we are asking for new informations about the game mechanics because are months that we are without them.

Castellon said:
And if you don't think people will throw a flaming torch about you claiming a feature in a DD that is not in release, well I really don't know what to say about that, clearly your memory for game release day threads differs significantly from mine. :)
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I read some kind of arrogance in this part of your reply and my memory is sound enough to know that threads on release date don't complain about lacking features explained in DD's, they complain about bugs or game problems that prevent the game to work properly. I'm a customer since EU 1 release, in 13 years I've seen a lot of complaining threads too :)
 
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