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CK2 Dev Diary #41: Secret Religious Cults

Hi folks!

This week is a big deal for me and for everyone else who has worked on Crusader Kings II over the years, because the game is just about to turn five years old! It was released on Valentine’s Day, February 14th, 2012. (So, if you’re running low on ideas for a gift to that special someone tomorrow, what could be more romantic than a copy of Crusader Kings II? Just saying.)

Five years on, we are still cranking out expansions and updates, all thanks to you folks! I have to say, the lifespan of this game has been pretty amazing compared to all the previous games I’ve worked on. I loved them all, of course - those games we no longer actively support - from Europa Universalis to Victoria II, but it’s been fantastic to be allowed to keep building on a game for so long, unlocking so much of its potential. CK2 is also special to me because I owned the vision and have done so much work on it personally. Stay tuned for a special anniversary dev diary tomorrow, where I will talk about the history and development of the game at length.

Of more immediate interest, we have essentially finished work on the upcoming expansion, Monks and Mystics, and it’s shaped up very well! You might already know, or suspect, that most of the new Societies will be part of the paid expansion, but there is one type of Society that actually comes with the free update; Secret Religious Cults (yes, this means that the Society framework itself is also free, so that modders can go nuts even without the expansion.) These Societies consist of followers who falsely profess faith in one religion while secretly belonging to another.

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Almost all of the main (non-heretic) religions have a corresponding “Secret Cult”. The membership consists of characters who fake belief in another religion in order to avoid persecution. Rulers can join any of these cults if the religion exists within diplomatic distance, and at the highest rank, the ruler can finally overtly embrace the religion and convert. Meanwhile, you get missions and powers to induce Sympathy for your real religion in other characters in the realm as well as the population in the counties. With careful groundwork, you can stage an extremely powerful religious revolt; as long as your subversive activities go unnoticed by your liege…

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Next week we’ll start going over the patch notes, and don’t miss our anniversary stream later today or the special dev diary tomorrow!
 
Will the children of cult members also be a member of the cult? If not, will there be an event to introduce a child of a member to the cult once they reach a certain age?
 
You can be a member of any supported secret cult as long as that religion exists within diplomatic range. I don't think any characters start out as members though.
Can a character be born as a member? That is, if I am secretly Jewish, will my heir automatically be secretly Jewish as well, or will he be the religion I am publicly claiming that I am?
 
Covertly Cathar

Wicked Waldensians. Miserable Monophysites. Inconsiderate Iconoclasts. Naughty Nestorians. Malicious Messalians. Laughable Lollards.
 
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So, can we spread secret Aztec religion while waiting for the dooms to come? :eek:
Maybe those Vikings shall have the options to go secret Aztec after they found the new world.

Secret Aztec - Please ignore the 200 foot tall ziggurat in my backyard and the screams of the tortured at 3 AM.

Nothing to see here . . .
 
Almost all of the main (non-heretic) religions have a corresponding “Secret Cult”. The membership consists of characters who fake belief in another religion in order to avoid persecution.

does this mean that heretics won't get any secret societies? or only a selective few will? or do rulers join a catch-all heretical society and when they declare openly they get a randomly selected heresy of the parent religion?
 
Do I get this right? With those societies Polish King in 1066 will be able to secretly worship Slavic pagan gods or ERE Emperor will pray to Hellenic gods? Will AI sometimes try to resurrect dead faiths? Maybe have Seljuk re-embrace Zoroastrian faith?

Someone mod Soul Society please (from Bleach), something to do with the dead and grim reapers.
 
Are there any plans to use secret traits for anything outside of the cults/societies system? There are a few traits (homosexual and immortal come to mind) that would make sense as secret traits unless someone finds you out.
 
Oh man, this got me thinking. The Swedish situation in the 1066 start just got a lot more interesting.
I was thinking of the Massacre of Verden, myself.
 
Cheers for the DD Doomdark, excellent work :). I liken it to people being all pro-EU4, but secretly being acolytes of MOTE :D*.

* Just playing with ideas of course - both go well :).
 
Bit early for the Underground Unitarian Universalists unfortunately. Surreptitious Suomenusko then.
 
Didn't being a member of the assassings demand you were shia or had the secretly shia trait?
As I understand it your need to be part of a society to be secretly anything and since the assassins are a society too and you can only be in one society... My guess is that you have to be actually Shia, a waste though.