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Tinto Maps #2 - 17th of May 2024 - Iberia

Hello everybody, and welcome to the second post of Tinto Maps! We’re really pleased about the great reception that the first one had last week, and also about the great feedback that we received. Just so you know, we have more than 70 action points from it that we will be implementing soon in the game.

Today we will be unveiling the map of Iberia in this super-secret project! So let’s start showing maps without further ado:

Countries:
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The situation in 1337 shows a strong Crown of Castile under the rule of Alfonso XI, who has overcome the problems of his troublesome minority. To the east, we have the Crown of Aragon (it’s named that way, even if it currently doesn’t appear like that on the map), which is fighting for hegemony over the Mediterranean. An offspring of it is the Kingdom of Mallorca, ruled by a cadet branch of Aragon since half a century ago, that also has a couple of northern possessions centered on Perpignan and Montpellier. To the north, the Kingdom of Navarra is ruled by a French dynasty, its titular queen Jeanne, a member of the Capetian dynasty, being married to Philippe, Lord of Évreux. To the west, Portugal has a tense relationship with Castile, with a war being fought during 1336. To the south, the Nasrid dynasty holds power in Granada, backed by the Marinids of Morocco, who have a foothold in the peninsula centered around Algeciras and Ronda. And yes, Andorra is a starting country.

Locations:
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Note: We are aware that there are some locations that could be added here and there, as this was one of the first maps that we created, and we weren’t completely sure about the location density we would like to have in the game. Some examples of possible locations that we’d like to add during a review would be Alicante, Tarifa, Alcobaça, Tordesillas, Monzón, or Montblanc. Also, you might notice that Zaragoza is named 'Saragossa'; this is not final, it's because we're using it as our testing location for the dynamic location naming system, as it has different names in Spanish (Zaragoza), Catalan (Saragossa), English (Saragossa), French (Saragosse), or Arabic (Saraqusṭa).

Provinces:
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Although it looks a bit like the modern provincial borders, take into account that those are based on the provincial reform of Francisco Javier de Burgos, which were also inspired by the cities/provinces that were accountable for the ‘Servicio de Millones’ during the reign of Philip II. Also, please, don't focus on the province names, the language inconsistency is because we were also using them as a testing ground.

Terrain:
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Iberia has one of the most complex terrain feature distributions in the entire world. We've also discussed this week that we're not very happy about the Vegetation distribution, which we'll be reworking, so feedback on this topic is especially very well received.

Cultures:
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Quite standard cultural distribution here, based on the different languages of Iberia (Asturleonese was still a language back in that time, although close to being opaqued by Castilian, after one century of joint ruling). The Andalusi represent not only the Muslim inhabitants of Granada and the Strait of Gibraltar but also the Mudéjar communities spread throughout much of the territory.

Religions:
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The Sunni populations present here match the Andalusi pops of the previous map. Although it’s not shown in the map mode, there’s another important religious community in Iberia, the Sephardic Jews, who inhabit several cities and towns.

Raw Goods:
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This is also a map mode that we'll be revisiting next week, and feedback is also very welcomed. A curiosity: for the first time in a Paradox GSG, there is the Mercury resource in Almadén.

Markets:
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This is the current distribution of markets, please take into account that it is based on the current gameplay status of the system and that it won’t necessarily be its final status. We tested in previous iterations having market centers in Lisbon and Burgos, but they weren’t working as we wanted; thus why we only have market centers in Sevilla and Barcelona. As the markets are dynamic, it might be possible to create new market centers, so a Portugal player might want to create a new market in Lisbon after some years (although having access to the market of Sevilla is juicy if you get enough merchant capacity on it).

Pops:
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And that’s all for today! Next week we will be traveling to France! See you then!
 
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By 1337, all the Iberian orders functionally worked as vassals of the Iberian rulers. The most representative case might be the Portuguese Order of Christ.

Offmap countries?
 
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Love it but:

How did Cuenca made it to be Mediterranean climate while almost all Mediterranean coastline is Cold Arid? Very weird.

Also not loving the West-Sevilla East-Sevilla naming.
 
Well they were governing a place teorically in the name of the king (in some case they will just try to force being named such title in relation to their power in their region). Normally kingdoms. And more than once they ended confronted to the Crown, some of them being true powers by themselves.
So basically will be a title with some paralels to the Crown Colony in EU4 and would make the playthrough much more challenging regarding to a process of centraliszation as you would need someone governing the land with the risk of becoming unloyal and do not giving up its powers.
Those are fairly interesting reasons to consider such kind of vassal.

PS.: I think is not fair try to equalise a "Meiriño Mor" to an "Adiantado Mor" to make any point as they are quite different.
We're depicting those processes with other mechanics, such as the Control one. This case just doesn't fit under the landed vassal style.

PS: I was just trying to depict it in a simple way; in my thesis I specifically discuss the transition from the model of 'Merindandes Mayores' to that of 'Adelantamientos Mayores' during the reign of Alfonso X. And in Galicia, you could add on top of them another important royal official, the 'Pertiguero Mayor de Santiago'.
 
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Love it but:

How did Cuenca made it to be Mediterranean climate while almost all Mediterranean coastline is Cold Arid? Very weird.

Also not loving the West-Sevilla East-Sevilla naming.
We might review that.
 
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We're depicting those processes with other mechanics, such as the Control one. This case just doesn't fit under the landed vassal style.

PS: I was just trying to depict it in a simple way; in my thesis I specifically discuss the transition from the model of 'Merindandes Mayores' to that of 'Adelantamientos Mayores' during the reign of Alfonso X. And in Galicia, you could add on top of them another important royal official, the 'Pertiguero Mayor de Santiago'.
Well, is a pitty as u could play them in a reverse way (against the crown) which may be a way to let a lot of players to play their polities from the start, but understable anyways.

PS.:
about the Pertigueiro, more than a royal officer it was a church officer title disputed between the local nobles, the Compostela burguers and the Compostela church. Curiously enough some people ended having both, the Pertigueiría and the Adiantamento (toghether with their landed titles) becoming political forces almost paralel to that of the king (what caused a good amount of trouble).

I really hope u will be able to fix Galicia somewhat (and the cultural issue) as in its current state looks almost like a copy of the contemporary Comunidade Autónoma.
 
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We have both adjective and noun forms for religions. Its a 1 line change to change this for us, but am awaiting @SaintDaveUK for that, as language use and such things is his interests.
If you must use a noun form, can it just be called "Sunni islam"? I've never heard "Sunnism" used seriously, it feels unusual to read.
 
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BTW, to those of you asking about Azores, Madeira and Canary Islands, they will be shown in another Tinto Maps.
 
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Also, you might notice that Zaragoza is named 'Saragossa'; this is not final, it's because we're using it as our testing location for the dynamic location naming system, as it has different names in Spanish (Zaragoza), Catalan (Saragossa), English (Saragossa), French (Saragosse), or Arabic (Saraqusṭa).
I can't help but notice that a Roman name "Caesaraugusta" is missing.
 
Hi there, I loved the post about the Iberian Peninsula. You have done a fantastic job. I am a Geography teacher in Spain, and it is possible that some Köppen classifications result in the whole region being a cold arid climate, but the official classification of Spain considerably reduces the cold steppe zone (BSk) and increases the Mediterranean one (Csa and Csb). I think this classification is closer to reality.
Climas Koppen.PNG
 
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How will medicaments work as a resource? I'm thinking there might be buildings like monasteries or even hospitals that can use them to maybe improve quality of life of a location like with increased pop growth or somilar, but can armies take advantage of them?
 
I can't help but notice that a Roman name "Caesaraugusta" is missing.
I guess the amount of people playing in Latin must be low to have a latin-localized game.

Also, if we get them Caesaraugusta somebody may start asking for Salduie