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Hello everybody, and welcome to the second post of Tinto Maps! We’re really pleased about the great reception that the first one had last week, and also about the great feedback that we received. Just so you know, we have more than 70 action points from it that we will be implementing soon in the game.

Today we will be unveiling the map of Iberia in this super-secret project! So let’s start showing maps without further ado:

Countries:
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The situation in 1337 shows a strong Crown of Castile under the rule of Alfonso XI, who has overcome the problems of his troublesome minority. To the east, we have the Crown of Aragon (it’s named that way, even if it currently doesn’t appear like that on the map), which is fighting for hegemony over the Mediterranean. An offspring of it is the Kingdom of Mallorca, ruled by a cadet branch of Aragon since half a century ago, that also has a couple of northern possessions centered on Perpignan and Montpellier. To the north, the Kingdom of Navarra is ruled by a French dynasty, its titular queen Jeanne, a member of the Capetian dynasty, being married to Philippe, Lord of Évreux. To the west, Portugal has a tense relationship with Castile, with a war being fought during 1336. To the south, the Nasrid dynasty holds power in Granada, backed by the Marinids of Morocco, who have a foothold in the peninsula centered around Algeciras and Ronda. And yes, Andorra is a starting country.

Locations:
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Note: We are aware that there are some locations that could be added here and there, as this was one of the first maps that we created, and we weren’t completely sure about the location density we would like to have in the game. Some examples of possible locations that we’d like to add during a review would be Alicante, Tarifa, Alcobaça, Tordesillas, Monzón, or Montblanc. Also, you might notice that Zaragoza is named 'Saragossa'; this is not final, it's because we're using it as our testing location for the dynamic location naming system, as it has different names in Spanish (Zaragoza), Catalan (Saragossa), English (Saragossa), French (Saragosse), or Arabic (Saraqusṭa).

Provinces:
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Although it looks a bit like the modern provincial borders, take into account that those are based on the provincial reform of Francisco Javier de Burgos, which were also inspired by the cities/provinces that were accountable for the ‘Servicio de Millones’ during the reign of Philip II. Also, please, don't focus on the province names, the language inconsistency is because we were also using them as a testing ground.

Terrain:
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Iberia has one of the most complex terrain feature distributions in the entire world. We've also discussed this week that we're not very happy about the Vegetation distribution, which we'll be reworking, so feedback on this topic is especially very well received.

Cultures:
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Quite standard cultural distribution here, based on the different languages of Iberia (Asturleonese was still a language back in that time, although close to being opaqued by Castilian, after one century of joint ruling). The Andalusi represent not only the Muslim inhabitants of Granada and the Strait of Gibraltar but also the Mudéjar communities spread throughout much of the territory.

Religions:
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The Sunni populations present here match the Andalusi pops of the previous map. Although it’s not shown in the map mode, there’s another important religious community in Iberia, the Sephardic Jews, who inhabit several cities and towns.

Raw Goods:
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This is also a map mode that we'll be revisiting next week, and feedback is also very welcomed. A curiosity: for the first time in a Paradox GSG, there is the Mercury resource in Almadén.

Markets:
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This is the current distribution of markets, please take into account that it is based on the current gameplay status of the system and that it won’t necessarily be its final status. We tested in previous iterations having market centers in Lisbon and Burgos, but they weren’t working as we wanted; thus why we only have market centers in Sevilla and Barcelona. As the markets are dynamic, it might be possible to create new market centers, so a Portugal player might want to create a new market in Lisbon after some years (although having access to the market of Sevilla is juicy if you get enough merchant capacity on it).

Pops:
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And that’s all for today! Next week we will be traveling to France! See you then!
 
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The French subjects, are they fixed colour or changed to be similar colour as the overlord? So when they become independent, will they stay same blue or obtain different colour?
Changed.
 
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Are countries like Andorra going to be functionally playable? It just looks doomed to fall within first year of the game
I guess that it will be a really challenging and potentially fun campaign.
 
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Not certain if it's been asked or not but when it comes to horses and elephants goods. I assume it means without those you can't have cavalry units. But is it possible to buy elephants (or own that location in Africa or India or somewhere), let's say as Castille, and then have your cavalry make use of elephants, instead of horses. And will it then also show those cav units riding on an elephant instead of on a horse?

no. elephant units requires units locally produced to be recruited.
 
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Is crown a dynamic name or does it have different mechanics as opposed to the kingdom of France/England?
Dynamic, but they also have some unique content related to how they worked.
 
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Nice! Sources on mercury production are hard to find past the obvious Idrija and Almadén, though... o_O

Climate being Mediterranean on the Atlantic coast and not Mediterranean on most of the Mediterranean coast looks very weird lol
There's a certain important mercury mine in Huancavelica, for instance...

It's the Köppen classification name, you might find some more areas with that climate outside of the Mediterranean region. ;)
 
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Oooh, population map!
Now I am curious to see the population map for the low countries
I posted it in the thread, but forgot to add to the main post.
 
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I see Guadalquivir is semi navigable, to reach Seville right? Neat. Will other rivers be somewhat navigable or is this a one-off thing?
It's a sea zone, so we can have a proper port in Seville.
 
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For Andorra (I know this isn't entirely on topic) how is its political set-up? Obviously, it is a diarchy in the time period (and now) between the Bishop of Urgell and the Count of Foix. But you could arguably say it is a republic with only nominal heads of state.
The country is currently a theocracy ruled by the Bishop of Urgell Arnau de Llordà, we need to do some extra work to represent it properly being under two different feudal lords.
 
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I think the placement of gibraltar looks kinda bad if we are considering some good old british control over it in later stages of the game.
Gibraltar was an important place in the 14th century, Alfonso XI died sieging it in 1350.
 
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Andorra is a playable nation, will Luxembourg, Monaco, Liechtenstein and San Marino be playable as well?
Luxembourg was already in the last Tinto Maps, it was not small in 1337, but an important Duchy, its ruler being also the King of Bohemia.
 
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I think the location of Guimarães should be called Braga. Braga was a much more important city than Guimarães. It was an important ecclesiastical center as the seat of the Archbishop of Braga, who held significant influence in the region. Braga's status as an archbishopric made it a key religious and administrative hub in medieval Portugal.
Maybe we might have both, but I can't promise yet.
 
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would you consider doing the same for the mouth of the Tagus river in Lisbon?
Lisbon and Setúbal are already coastal locations.
 
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What is the reason the Seville market doesn't reach the Moroccan location it almost borders, while going almost all the way into Granada?

That Sevilla bay nicely shows why many want the rivers to have more importance. If that one is an inlet, than all of the Rhine in last week's screenshot should be as well (and plenty more)...

Is there a reason Andorra doesn't border Foix (and hence France), or is that a UI issue?


Arid just means "dry", why couldn't it be cold?
Market access, as there's another market center in Fas (Fez).
 
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Would it really make sense for Castile and Aragon's names to start with "crown of" in 1337? wasn't that a thing after the Iberian marriage?
No, its a historiographical term used after the unions of Castile and Leon on the one hand, and Aragon and Barcelona, on the other.
 
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