Tinto Maps #2 Iberia Feedback

[Dongerino]

How many layers of de Valois are you on

Also why is the Navarra dynasty Capet but all the other Capet branches are named different? Does the game represent the fact that they're all the same dynasty for succession? The Bourbon dynasty came from the Navarran branch

 

[Zarnek]

As I said before, I really think you guys should add olivenza as a location by spliting Elvas in two. I do realize that it might be too small, but it really had a lot of strategic importance during many centuries for both Portugal and Spain with several battles fought there and Badajoz. It was even conquered in 1801 which fits in the time framework of the game.

 

[BurnaBurna]

What's up with the gold in this wasteland tile? I assume it's just a graphical glitch but there's not any province adjacent to the wasteland or anything that actually has gold, so I wonder where that came from.

 

[mojave2001]

Two quick notes on the Portuguese locations: It's "Montalegre" instead of "Montealegre" and "Vila Pouca de Aguiar" instead of just "Aguiar"

 

[Indíbil]

Why Catalan and Aragonese provinces are in Castilian? Is it WIP?

 

[Pavía]

Great changes.

Also i miss Olivenza and would change Chinchilla or Villena by Almansa.

Almansa is closer to Villena, it belonged to its lordship, and was less populated; that's why it doesn't have a location itself.

 

[Stami]

As I said before, I really think you guys should add olivenza as a location by spliting Elvas in two. I do realize that it might be too small, but it really had a lot of strategic importance during many centuries for both Portugal and Spain with several battles fought there and Badajoz. It was even conquered in 1801 which fits in the time framework of the game.

It wouldn't be a big location, but Gibraltar and Andorra would still remain smaller, so it is definitely doable.

 

[Pavía]

What are the blue stripes in Aragon. Looks like they are in Barcelona and Ariza

Sephardi minorities.

 

[matfer13]

Regarding the Dinasty question I personally thing you should do the same thing you guys did with the naming of provinces and regions, just stick with the English names (of Burgundy instead of de Borgogña etc...), I know it takas away a lot of flavouring but I think it makes the map a lot cleaner and easier to read, the same can be said of dinasties named after their founder(Rurikovich, Gediminid,...) they should all have the same suffix in my opinion. On the same note please just call it of Anjou/d'Anjou instead of Anjou-Naples, I know it's a cadet branch but so are all french families a branch of the Capet.
But in the end it's up to you guys,you are free to ignore or convince me otherwise, theese sort of minor details won't deter me from trying the game!

 

[Vispian]

Sephardi minorities.

Question: What is the estimated Jewish population for the region at the moment at the moment?

 

[gcpt]

Small question that comes out of curiosity. From where does the "tin" resource come in the location of Tavira? I'm asking this because the two main mines nearby are either the mines of São domingos, that now belong to the location of Mértola; or the older mines in Estoi, that is a town north of Faro and belongs to said location. Still, a very nice rework, just need to have the portuguese dynasty as "de Borgonha" instead of "da Borgonha" and the most important, we need Olivença!!!!

 

[Mariopas]

The inclusion of livestock in southern Salamanca/Ciudad Rodrigo and Extremadura is an excellent decision. The rural areas there are dominated by the ecosystem of Dehesa. Those are light controlled forests with free roaming livestock, mostly pigs and cows. It is today the core of the Spanish production of cured meats and bulls for bullfighting. To be honest it is its own thing, and the categories of sparse/ grasslands/ woods don't really fit, altough probably woods is the best option.

It also extends nowadays into southern Portugal, but I am not sure the historical extension. This is the current one:

 

[tommassi]

Still missing Borja, sad. Can we see the population map? It'd be interesting to see if Zaragoza is now bigger in comparison to its surroundings (or rather, the surroundings with less population compared to Zaragoza).

Also, I think I understood from the French map that in the end you will go with "regional" location names, rather than actual cities/towns/villages? Mentioning because of Elizondo, Aínsa, Benabarre, etc. It would be a bit weird that France went with provincial names, but the peninsula went with individual location names.

 

[gianlucad]

Any reason why Portugal has "da" as a preposition for dynasty names and not "de"?

 

[Indíbil]

Why Catalan and Aragonese provinces are in Castilian? Is it WIP?

Why do Spaniards dislike the comment? lol, do they want to see the Netherlands in Castilian too? How can they defend the name Alicante when there were no Castilians in Alacant...

 

[Stami]

hehe surprised you didn't have it in the 1st map

 

[Moridin997]

Great changes overall !!

Two pet-peeves :
- Sintra (Cintra, back then) wasn't added - it had a castle, a town and a royal palace
- The shape of Torres Vedras doesn't work for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lines_of_Torres_Vedras
(as a player, if you have another access to Lisbon from the north, why would you bother fortifying Torres Vedras?)

 

[Pavía]

I am once again asking where you get info for the population for 1337 era?

We use different sources. We start with the Atlas of World Population History, by C. McEvedy and R. Jones, which is not the latest and fanciest source, but it's consistent worldwide in its numbers and deviations, and gives us base numbers to start working on. We tweak those numbers with regional sources of good quality when available; e.g., we have a reliable census of the Yuán age for China that we have used (the best source available for any region at the start of the game). Apart from that, we have a GIS layer with historical population density data, which we then use to divide the population per location. From that, we add the minorities, which may also come from very different sources, and make final adjustments to the numbers.

At the end of the day, the base of the system is to portray a consistent population for the whole world in 1337.

 

[Dustz]

Adding the location of Tinto HQ by sneaking it among the other stuff, very subtle...

 

[Pavía]

How many layers of de Valois are you on
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Also why is the Navarra dynasty Capet but all the other Capet branches are named different? Does the game represent the fact that they're all the same dynasty for succession? The Bourbon dynasty came from the Navarran branch

1. Bug
2. WIP