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Tinto Maps #8 - 28th of June 2024 - Russia

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Maps! This week we’ll be taking a look at Russia!

As an introductory note, we’re just considering today the ‘Russian core’, which in 1337 comprised the different Russian Principalities, as far as the White Sea to the north, and the Ural Mountains to the east. The lands that would later be incorporated into the Russian Empire will be covered in future Tinto Maps (otherwise, we would have to cover like… 1/8th? of the land mass in just one DD).

Countries
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Russia is divided into several Principalities in 1337. The dominant one probably is Muscovy, as its Grand Prince, Ivan I Danilovich ‘Kalita’ (‘Moneybag’) is also Prince of Nizhny Novgorod and Kostroma, and of Novgorod (by election, in this case). He also holds the title of Grand Prince of Vladimir, bestowed by the Khan of the Golden Horde, which makes him the ruler enforcing the ‘Tatar Yoke’ over other Russian Principalities (which in our game is represented through an IO; the coloring of the different countries is different tones of yellow as they are tributaries of the Yoke). The other main power in the region is the Grand Republic of Novgorod, with a completely different institutional structure, that allows them to pick their rulers. Their power comes from being the main trading power between the Baltic Sea and the Russian region, and it’s the overlord of two border countries, the Principality of Pskov, and the County of Oreshek, a buffer country in Karelia, as agreed with Sweden after a recent war. Several lands to the north and east are not owned by any country. As a final note, you may also see that Lithuania is the overlord of some of the principalities, some of them directly through Gediminid rulers (Polotsk or Vitebsk), while other over Rurikovich rulers (Smolensk or Rzhev).

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The starting diplomatic of Muscovy and the Tatar Yoke IO, for the sake of clarity.

Dynasties
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Several branches of the House of Rurik rule over the Russian lands. Fun fact: we have 18 different branches portrayed in the game. The exceptions are a few principalities, and the ruler of Karelia, Prince Narimantas of the Lithuanian Gediminids. Also, the 'Cherdyn' and 'Vyatka' are randomly assigned dynasties, as we haven't been able to get the data for those countries on 1337.

Locations
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We’re showing a less detailed region this week because, well, Russia is big. Feel free to ask for more detailed screenshots of specific areas, and I’ll try to provide them. We’re also showing some parts of the Steppe, Finland, and Kola, because of the scale of the map; take them as ‘unavoidable spoilers’, as we’ll talk more in-depth about them in future Tinto Maps.

Provinces
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The provinces of Russia. As usual, suggestions are welcomed!

Terrain
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Terrain map modes. As discussed in previous Tinto Maps, we’ll read carefully your feedback, as we have plenty of room to polish them!

Cultures
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Cultures! As in other regions, we decided to have three different cultures in the Russian region, Novgorodian, Muscovite, and Severian. The design here is different than in the Ruthenian region, because Russia was more politically divided in the High Middle Ages, and would later be more culturally unified later on, while in Ruthenia, the situation would be the opposite. In any case, the four of them are East Slavic cultures, and we're open to feedback, of course. Apart from that, there are a bunch of different cultures bordering the region: Karelian, Pomor, Komi, Udmurt, etc. We might add some more minorities of these cultures, in the feedback pass after this DD. Also, take into account that the minorities over the Tatar lands (currently under the Kazani and Mishary cultures) are not yet done.

Religions
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Eastern Orthodoxy is dominant in the region, although there are other religions in the area, as well; take ‘Animist’, ‘Tengrist’, and ‘Shamanist’ as wide categories, as we’d like to add a bit more granularity for them (although that will come later this year, don’t expect them to be added in the coming Tinto Maps, but maybe on the later ones). We’ve already seen some posts asking about Slavic Paganism; up until now, we’ve considered the Russian people to be Christianized, even if it was a more or less superficial process. If you’d like us to add this religion and some percentage of the population adhering to it, then I’d ask you for specific sources that could help us portray it (so, isolated references to it being followed here or there won’t be helpful, while academic sources saying ‘up to X% of the population was following Slavic rites’ might very much be).

Raw Materials
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Quite different resources to other regions previously shown, with plenty of Lumber, Fur, and Wild Game in this region. I’ve also extended a bit the screenshot to the east, so you can see the mineral richnesses of the Ural Mountains, with plenty of locations with Copper, Iron, Gold, and Lead, making it quite juicy to colonize.

Markets
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The counter to the richness of the natural resources of the region is its integration into the different markets, which at the start of the game are centered around Novgorod, Moscow, and Kazan. Fully exploiting the economic possibilities of Russia will therefore require effort and patience.

Country and Location population
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Not many people inhabit the Russian core, approximately 6M in total. This poses a series of challenges regarding the expansion of any Russian country. Also, we've divided into 4 different maps of the location population of the region, to make it possible to visualize. A side note: you might note that the population of NW Novgorod and Karelia is calculated a bit differently. That's because Johan took care of drawing the Scandinavian map in an early stage of development, and the Content Design team took over the rest of Russia at a later stage when we had already refined a bit more our population calculation methods. This means that when we do the feedback pass after this Tinto Maps, in a few weeks, we'll homogenize the style, as well.

And this is all for today! We hope that you’ll find it interesting, and give us great feedback! Next week we’re traveling to Carpathia and the Balkans! See you!
 
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Hey Johan I’m obsessed with Population numbers (not about their realism ) I have personal desire. do you have a chance to share population of countries by rank .There is not needed to share countries you didn’t show yet just Europe and Anatolia .

not easily, as the ledger is very rudimentary atm
 
Absolutely Novgorod culture was very different from what it was in Muscovy

For historical accuracy. Ivan the Terrible repressed... the grandchildren of Muscovites resettled to Novgorod by his grandfather. Ivan 3 in the 1470s.
3 thousand nobles from the Moscow region were resettled to Novgorod. The Novgorod trading class was also replaced.

The entire old Novgorod elite was resettled either in the vicinity of Moscow or in the Volga region (Gorodets, Balakhna, Gorokhovets)

Later they did the same with the elites of the Pskov Republic.
The resettlement of elites is the most important element of centralization under Grand Duke Ivan III.
 
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Absolutely Novgorod culture was very different from what it was in Muscovy

Yea, I unfortunately, formulated my position incorrectly. I wanted to say that Russian culture is a blend of Moskovian and Novgorodian. And I disagree on the point of one violently assimilating another.
Novgorodian massacre, was directed on people of Novgorod city, to destroy its power, not on Novgorodians as a culture.
 
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Hey is the Arctic area just north of Komi going to be covered in a separate Tinto Maps? If not then could it be posted here? Essentially modern day republic of Nenetsia and surrounding areas.
 
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You're right.
The carriers of Novgorod political culture were a narrow layer of the Boyars and their clientele.
Everything outside the 5 Novgorod Pyatina were purely colonies (including Karelia, Vologda and Pomorie). Their population had no influence on the policies of Novgorod as an oligarchic republic (even with a nominal prince).

Every year Novgorod sent 2-3 thousand soldiers to collect tribute outside 5 Pyatyn (like Ireland tuats). That was enough. to cover the territory up to the Urals inclusive. Due to sparse population.

It is more logical to make the population of Vologda and other Novgorod lands to the Urals ("Russian North") Pomeranian culture.

Because It was this region + Pomorie that produced a huge number of merchants and conquistadors in the 16th and 17th centuries. And he considered it as a single whole, separate from his own Novgorod province.


Another point that is difficult to reflect in the game
The Novgorodians, Pomors and other provinces of the Russian north were firmly tied to the Principality of Vladimir due to a constant lack of food.

Cutting off grain supplies from the south has been an element of control of Novgorod since the 11th century. The Vladimir (Tver, Moscow) princes blocked the trade route through Torzhok, and the Novgorodians began to literally die of hunger

Without the supply of food from the south, even in a normal year famine began there. And every third year had a poor harvest.
In the diet of Pomors, moss, which was mixed with grain, remained even in the 19th century.

Therefore, independent Novgorod, or the Russian north, is an interesting alternative. but hardly feasible due to the climate.
 
Yea, I unfortunately, formulated my position incorrectly. I wanted to say that Russian culture is a blend of Moskovian and Novgorodian. And I disagree on the point of one violently assimilating another.
Novgorodian massacre, was directed on people of Novgorod city, to destroy its power, not on Novgorodians as a culture.
You litterally had one of the two conquering the other and violently (to say the least) opressing the native Novgorodians into submission...

"Thereupon, the Orthodox Tsar and Grand Prince Ivan Vasilevich, lord of All Russia, commanded that the powerful boyars, the important merchants, the administrative officials, and the citizens of every rank be brought before him, together with their wives and children. The Tsar ordered that they be tortured in his presence in various spiteful, horrible, and inhuman ways. After many various unspeakable and bitter tortures, the Tsar ordered that their bodies be tormented and roasted with fire in refined ways. And the Tsar commanded his nobles to bind the hands and feet and heads of these tortured and roasted human beings with fine ropes in various ways. He ordered that each man be tied to a sled, be dragged to the Volkhov bridge behind the fast-moving sleds, and be thrown into the Volkhov River (which bisects Novgorod) from the bridge. The Tsar ordered that their wives and children be brought to the Volkhov bridge where a high platform had been erected. He commanded that they be chained on the arms and legs and that the children be tied to their mothers and then be thrown from the platform into the waters of the Volkhov River. Meanwhile, the Tsar's men, the nobles and soldiers, moved about in small boats on the Volkhov River, armed with spears, lances, hooks, and axes. When the people, men and women of all ages, surfaced, they were stabbed by the soldiers with hooks, lances, and spears, or they were struck with axes. In a horrible manner they were submerged without mercy in the depths of the river, and abandoned to a terrible and bitter death."

Source: Basil Dmytryshyn, ed., Medieval Russia: A Source Book, 900-1700. 2nd edition. Orlando, Florida: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1973. Academic International Press.

This is the litteral definition of a violent purge of a certain people group to force them into submission.

There are plane and simply no primeval Russian culture. The term 'Russian' is the product of russofication which is Muscovians propagating their culture with a particular claim to Rus' heritage. Propagating Russian state propaganda on these forums doesn't change history.

Should the Muscovians have an event where they claim Rus' ancestry to legitimize their expansion? Sure, why not. Many states historically did this at some point. It could even change the name of Muscovite culture to Russian, and then have a small modifier adding to conversions while adding some malus to peasants productiveness or so.
 
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This is not bad, though Smaliensk (Smolensk) was a Belarusian (Ruthenian as it would be in 1337) speaking city until it was fully Russified in the 19th and 20th centuries. Severian would be better served if it wasn't implied to be a Russian (that is Muscovite) culture, and rather it was presented as a proper predecessor to the Belarusians and Ukrainians that would be Russified by Muscovy by the 20th century, if not earlier.
The problem here is that back then (and even now to an extent) these cultures all "bled" into each other. You didn't really have a hard border saying "these are Russians, and those are Belarusians" - I mean "Ruthenian" is just latinized "Russian" because back then "Russian" meant any Orthodox east Slav. So you could either put all of them into one gigantic Ruthenian/Russian culture, or split them regionally - Polesian, Severian, Zalesian/Vyatichian, Galichan etc etc

Instead of the silly Ruthenia/Russia division, simply make it so that any of these can form an unified Russian state, it's culture turning as the premier one.
 
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You litterally had one of the two conquering the other and violently (to say the least) opressing the native Novgorodians into submission...

"Thereupon, the Orthodox Tsar and Grand Prince Ivan Vasilevich, lord of All Russia, commanded that the powerful boyars, the important merchants, the administrative officials, and the citizens of every rank be brought before him, together with their wives and children. The Tsar ordered that they be tortured in his presence in various spiteful, horrible, and inhuman ways. After many various unspeakable and bitter tortures, the Tsar ordered that their bodies be tormented and roasted with fire in refined ways. And the Tsar commanded his nobles to bind the hands and feet and heads of these tortured and roasted human beings with fine ropes in various ways. He ordered that each man be tied to a sled, be dragged to the Volkhov bridge behind the fast-moving sleds, and be thrown into the Volkhov River (which bisects Novgorod) from the bridge. The Tsar ordered that their wives and children be brought to the Volkhov bridge where a high platform had been erected. He commanded that they be chained on the arms and legs and that the children be tied to their mothers and then be thrown from the platform into the waters of the Volkhov River. Meanwhile, the Tsar's men, the nobles and soldiers, moved about in small boats on the Volkhov River, armed with spears, lances, hooks, and axes. When the people, men and women of all ages, surfaced, they were stabbed by the soldiers with hooks, lances, and spears, or they were struck with axes. In a horrible manner they were submerged without mercy in the depths of the river, and abandoned to a terrible and bitter death."
Source: Basil Dmytryshyn, ed., Medieval Russia: A Source Book, 900-1700. 2nd edition. Orlando, Florida: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1973. Reprinted courtesy of Academic International Press.

This is the litteral definition of a violent purge of a certain people group to force them into submission.

There are plane and simply no primeval Russian culture. But the term 'Russian is the product of russofication which is Muscovians propagating their culture with a particular claim to Rus' heritage. Propagating Russian state propaganda on these forums doesn't change history.

Should the Muscovians have an event where they claim Rus' ancestry to legitimize their expansion? Sure, why not. Many states historically did this at some point. It could even change the name of Muscovite culture to Russian, and then have a small modifier adding to conversions while adding some malus to said peasants productiveness or so.
Ivan 4 executed not the native Novgorodians, but the grandchildren of Muscovites resettled to Novgorod by his grandfather Ivan 3.

Ivan 3 completely evicted all the old Novgorod elites to the Moscow region and the Volga region.
Both nobles and merchants were replaced by people from the Moscow region.
Only 3 thousand nobles were resettled.
As a result, the image of agriculture in Novgorod even radically changed. from the farm system to the estate system.

The number of victims of Ivan 4’s campaign against Novgorod is known from his own testimony and the reports of the guardsman Malyuta Skuratov (about 3 thousand victims, from the moment they left Moscow until the massacre in Novgorod. 1 thousand of them were not Novgorodians, but accompanying victims along the way - exiled Tatars, exiled residents of Polotsk, political exiles, population of the estates of disgraced boyars).
The Novgorod elite is the only one of all the elites of northeastern Rus' who fought against centralization.
The only ones who fought twice without a chance of success.
Tver, Ryazan - surrendered without a fight.

But after Ivan 3 it is no longer possible to talk about the Novgorod elites.
They were replaced by Muscovites.
and the region became absolutely loyal.

Well, you need to understand that, according to the same Novgorod chronicles (older and younger)
The Novgorod elites did not separate themselves from Rus'.
Novgorod is Rus', the place where Rus' came from.

Another point is that the word Rus' had 2 meanings
1) to describe internal events - this is the capital Kiev region - the place where the Prince of All Rus' sits.
Other regions are named after their provinces
2) Rus' as the name of all regions. where the Rurik dynasty rules, or once ruled (analogy with the Merovingians and Carolingians).
Rus' as the common collective property of the ruling family and their clients.

An analogy is the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation.

In the international treaties between Smolensk and the Gothic coast and Novgorod with the Hansa and Livonia, people from Smolensk and Novgorod do not separate themselves from Rus'.
They are Russian people in them. As part of a political community.

But in game mechanics, it would be correct to single out the Novgorod, Smolensk, Polotsk, Seversk (southern and northern), Vladimir, Ryazan and Pomeranian and perhaps (Galich-Dmitrovsk) cultures.
 
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Kiev calling like in modern Ukrainian, but for Grand Principality of Moscow and it's peaple using old Latin terms Moscovy and Moscovtes, that in modern times often used like insult...
 
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In Karelia, is Mökhö spelt correctly or should it be Möhkö? There's a Möhkö village there today, can't find any Mökhö. Was Möhkö important in the game period, going just by wiki it seems it had an iron mill in 19th century but nothing notable before. Today Möhkö is part of the municipality of Ilomantsi. The central village of Ilomantsi, also named Ilomantsi but perhaps in the game period better known as Pogosta, was known at least in the 15th century. So perhaps rename Mökhö, either to Möhkö, Ilomantsi, or Pogosta.
 
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I don't know exact timeline, but in 1337 Upper Oka Principalities either already exploded or where about to explode. Novosil and Karachev should have own international organization called Upper Oka Principalities (pol. Księstwa Wierchowskie, rus. Верховские княжества) forcing the principalities to break on ruler death (to the point one location = one state) but also making them all cooperate somewhat on external politics (e.g. vassaling the whole international organization instead of dozens principalities directly).

Upper Oka Principalities
 
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Yea, I unfortunately, formulated my position incorrectly. I wanted to say that Russian culture is a blend of Moskovian and Novgorodian. And I disagree on the point of one violently assimilating another.
Novgorodian massacre, was directed on people of Novgorod city, to destroy its power, not on Novgorodians as a culture.
Culture is not only language, although even then there were differences. For the period under review, the main carrier of culture was the elite. We even see how the imperial Karamzin points out significant differences in the structure of the state and in the consciousness of people, their perception of values. What is Ivan the Terrible doing? Destroys the elite first of all, and ordinary people too. And those whom he did not kill, he cuts off their ears and noses and resettles them east of Moscow. He simply destroys everything Veliky Novgorod is like. Centuries-old tradition and hundreds of years of development have been destroyed. This is a monstrous tragedy!
 
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Culture is not only language, although even then there were differences. For the period under review, the main carrier of culture was the elite. We even see how the imperial Karamzin points out significant differences in the structure of the state and in the consciousness of people, their perception of values. What is Ivan the Terrible doing? Destroys the elite first of all, and ordinary people too. And those whom he did not kill, he cuts off their ears and noses and resettles them east of Moscow. He simply destroys everything Veliky Novgorod is like. Centuries-old tradition and hundreds of years of development have been destroyed. This is a monstrous tragedy!
Ivan 4 did not resettle anyone. Everything was done before him. His repressions were without displacement of the active population

The country's elite was exiled (an active element of repression) but regularly returned back (then some were executed, some were exiled again, some made a career at court).

Oprichinina is simply a struggle between the elites; there were a minimum of people from the bottom. The main composition is the same aristocracy and boyars. Just from certain clans, mostly not Rurikovich.
The repressions of the era were more of a struggle between the elites for power, and the tsar himself did not play the main role there.
For the same Shuiskys - the main offenders of his childhood - suddenly suffered almost no harm and occupied the most important posts throughout his reign.
 
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I find the population maps very hard to interpret, with the number of pops drawn in each location. I think a heatmap of population divided by location area (giving the density) would be a lot easier to interpret for the community. Otherwise thank you, enjoyed this post as I do every week :)
 
I think this is the weirdest part, for me anyway. If they've separated Ruthenian culture so that it could later diverge into Ukrainian and Byelorussian, then that means they've already got mechanics to allows divergent cultures to appear.

Then why not add the same mechanic to the entirety of eastern Slavic lands. Let them all start as Russian (Rus', Ruthenian, whatever name would be politically correct in the contemporary Europe) culture, then get dynamically separated over the course of the game. You could even make it so that they separate depending on the tag that the pops live under. If under a non East slavic tag they diverge dynamically into Ukrainian (under Poland) and Byelorussian (under Lithuania). Or they separate (probably over a longer period of time) into tag-named cultures if living under an east Slavic tag (e.g. Muscovites under Moscow, Tverians under Tver, etc).

That would both be realistic, historically accurate, and add an interesting gameplay layer to try to rush Russian lands' unification (that historically wouldn't take centuries) to reap benefits of having a unified culture across your realm.
Absolutely. Slavic languages, for example, in general have been known to be remarkable similar owing to their very late separation and rapid spread across eastern europe. I think the consensus is that all slavic languages (that is, western, southern and eastern groups) did not separate until ~10th century A.D.

Also, you know, England's been given one single culture for all of its anglo-saxon pops. I'd argue that the differences in terms of culture and the way of life between the residents of Kiev and Novgorod than betwen the residents of Northumbria and the isle of wight until after ~16th century. I.e. some hundred years+ of domination of Lithuanians/Poles in the latter that broke the bonds of what was previously a singular, if heavily decentralized realm of the Kievan Rus'

There was never a single "Russian" culture on the lands of Kievan Rus, this is a frankly outdated Russian imperial concept of the 19th century, which has already been repeatedly refuted by many historians and linguists who have directly investigated the origins of ethnic groups, languages and dialects of Eastern Europe. The Rurik dynasty united under its rule a huge territory with a large number of diverse tribes, not only Slavic, but also Baltic and Finno-Ugriс. The Slavic tribes of Kyiv and Novgorod, who lived at a great distance from each other, did not and could not have any common spoken language. The only thing in common was the Old Church Slavonic language, but it is a language of foreign origin, which was used for church services and literature similar to the Latin in Western Europe. To make one "Russian" culture simultaneously for Kyivans, Vladimir-Suzdalians and Novgorodians is the same as uniting Poles, Czechs and Slovaks into one culture on the basis that their lands were once fully or partially part of Great Moravia, and then to the Polish state of Bolesław the Brave. Or the same as uniting the cultures of Slovaks and Slovenes into one culture on the basis that they have similar names (like Ruthenians and Russians).

The formation of the Ukrainian language under the influence of Polish is a primitive historical myth that has long been refuted. A number of these "Polish" words were already in the chronicles, and in the 12th century "The Tale of Igor's Campaign", and in graffiti on the walls of medieval pre-Mongol cathedrals. The Ruthenian written language with a huge number of words that are present in the modern Ukrainian and Belarusian languages was used in the documents of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania long before the Ruthenian lands became part of the Kingdom of Poland. In 1596, the Old Church Slavonic-Ruthenian dictionary of Lavrentiy Zizaniy was published. Here one scan from the pages of this dictionary. On the left are Old Church Slavonic words, on the right is their translation into the Ruthenian language, which is 95% identical to the modern Ukrainian language:

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Would you please explain how did you choose the names of sparsely populated locations? For example, why is there Tonshaevo (with no more than 5K of the population at its peak) and not Shakhunya (with ~23K of the population at its peak)?
 

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There was never a single "Russian" culture on the lands of Kievan Rus, this is a frankly outdated Russian imperial concept of the 19th century, which has already been repeatedly refuted by many historians and linguists who have directly investigated the origins of ethnic groups, languages and dialects of Eastern Europe.

Of course, there never was and never could be a single Russian culture on the lands of Kievan Rus. No one disputes this, and I completely agree with your following statement:

The Rurik dynasty united under its rule a huge territory with a large number of diverse tribes, not only Slavic, but also Baltic and Finno-Ugriс.

Throughout the existence of Kievan Rus, these different peoples could not merge into a single Russian culture. This is a fact. We have sources showing that even in the 16th century, non-Slavic peoples still existed within Moscow's territory, with their unique languages that differed from Slavic.

BUT!

You then mention that there was a Ruthenian language and no common language in Rus except for Old Church Slavonic. But what about Old East Slavic? From which the Ruthenian language emerged? Old East Slavic was not the language of the entire population, as previously mentioned, as non-Slavic peoples also inhabited Rus, speaking their own languages. However, among the Slavic population, a unified language began to form from the 9th century.

Old East Slavic had various dialects, and like any dialect, they had the potential to evolve into separate languages. This is what happened in the 14th century, when Old East Slavic began to split into two different languages: Ruthenian and Old Russian. In the 18th century, the dialects within the Ruthenian language also began to develop into independent languages: Ukrainian and Belarusian.

But the fact remains that during the times of Kievan Rus, the Slavic population had a common language (albeit with diverse dialects). This was Old East Slavic.

Therefore, I think it is quite acceptable to divide the culture in the Russian region into Ruthenian and Rus, just as Old East Slavic began to split into Ruthenian and Old Russian during this time. Ideally, we want to include Baltic and Finno-Ugric cultures mixed with Russian culture in specific locations. But this requires thorough research to accurately represent these cultures in the appropriate areas.

Fairly, it might be acceptable to consider the separation of Novgorod culture. Novgorod repeatedly rebelled against Moscow, sought independence, and had its dialect, which, although it did not become a separate language, could have done so in an alternative reality.

"However, findings by Russian linguist Andrey Zaliznyak suggest that, until the 14th or 15th century, major language differences were not between the regions occupied by modern Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, but rather between the north-west (around modern Velikiy Novgorod and Pskov) and the center (around modern Kyiv, Suzdal, Rostov, Moscow as well as Belarus) of the East Slavic territories. The Old Novgorodian dialect of that time differed from the central East Slavic dialects as well as from all other Slavic languages much more than in later centuries. According to Zaliznyak, the Russian language developed as a convergence of that dialect and the central ones, whereas Ukrainian and Belarusian were continuation of development of the central dialects of the East Slavs." wiki

So perhaps the Novgorodian culture is justified... Maybe I would remove the Severian culture, keep the Novgorodian culture, and rename the Muscovite culture to something that fits better with the territories (which, besides Muscovy, included many other principalities). This way, we could divide the Rus culture into two and leave the Ruteniаn culture undivided at the start of the game. Additionally, we could add Baltic and Finno-Ugric minorities in the territories of Novgorod and other principalities.
 

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