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Tinto Maps #12 - 26th of July 2024 - Germany

Hello, and welcome to another new Tinto Maps! I’m back to duty, after the review of Italy that we posted last Thursday, and Johan taking care of Scandinavia last Friday. Today we will be taking a look at Germany! This region comprises the modern territories of Czechia, Austria, Switzerland, and Liechtenstein. However, for most of the timeline in Project Caesar, it was better known as the Holy Roman Empire. This organization once was a feudal empire elevated from the Kingdom of the Germans, but by 1337 was mostly disaggregated into a multitude of temporal and ecclesiastical jurisdictions, with only a tenuous feudal relationship with their Emperor.

Let’s start diving deep into this nightmare, then…

Countries:
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I’m showing here a bit more of what the region is, so you can have a clear depiction of how it looks compared to the neighboring regions we’ve previously shown (and so that the Reddit guy who is patchworking the world map has an easier day ). What I can say about this when the map speaks for itself… The lands of Germany are highly fractured among different principalities, making for an extremely complex political situation. The Emperor in 1337 was Louis IV von Wittelsbach of Upper Bavaria… Because, yes, Bavaria is also divided. He is married to Margaret of Avesnes, daughter of Count William of Hainaut, Holland, and Zeleand, while his son Louis is the Margrave of Brandenburg. But probably the strongest power of the period is the Kingdom of Bohemia, whose king John also Duke Luxembourg and rules over both lands in a personal union, while also being overlord of the Margraviate of Moravia, ruler by his son Charles, and the Silesian principalities. The third contender probably is the Duchy of Austria, ruled by Albert II von Habsburg. He also rules over some lands in the formed Duchies of Swabia and Carinthia. There are also plenty of medium and small countries all over the region, with very different forms of government, which will probably make this HRE a very replayable experience…

Dynasties:
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The dynastical map of the HRE gives a nice picture of the situation explained in the previous one. The von Wittelsbach, de Luxembourg (John of Bohemia is considered of French culture, therefore it uses the French toponymic article ‘de’; if he would change to the German culture, then it would be the ‘von Luxembourg’ dynasty), and von Habsburg cover much of the map; you may note that the Wittelsbach rule over five different countries (Upper Bavaria, Lower Bavaria, the Palatinate of the Rhine, and Brandenburg); while the House of Luxembourg also control the Archbishopric of Trier through Balduin, uncle of King John. Other important dynasties, although in a secondary position, are the Welfen, von Mecklenburg, and Gryf, present in multiple countries to the north; the Askanier, who happen to control half of Upper Saxony, while the rest is in the hands of the von Wettin; and the von Görz, who rule over the Duchy of Tirol and the County of Gorizia.

HRE:
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We obviously have to repost the HRE IO map again here. The purple stripes mark the imperial territory, while the different types of members use different colors. We currently have these divisions in the IO: the Emperor (1, dark blue), Prince-Electors (4, light blue), Archbishop-Electors (3, medium blue), Free Imperial Cities (23, light green), Imperial Peasant Republics (2, orange), Imperial Prelates (44, white), and Regular Members (280, dark green). So, yeah, that make for a total of 357 countries that are part of the HRE. And before you ask: No, we won’t talk about its mechanics today, that will happen in future Tinto Talks.

Locations:
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Germany has the highest density of locations in the world, as we wanted to portray the historical fragmentation of the HRE at the most detailed level of any Paradox GSG. There are a couple of things that we are aware of and we want to rework: the location connections (as in some places they are not obvious at all, and we want to make warfare in the HRE not impossible); and the transition between the German locations and those at their east, making it smoother (something that we will be doing in the review of Poland, Hungary and this region [e.g. for Bohemia]). A final comment: if you click on the spoiler button, you may be able to see 4 more detailed maps of the region.

Provinces:
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Map of provinces. As usual, suggestions are welcomed.

Areas:
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Areas. We are currently not happy with the area borders (or at least, one of our German content designers isn't, and let me note it while preparing the DD... ;) ), as they reflect more modern areas so we will be looking into an alternative setup for them with your feedback. They also currently use their German names, which will change to English ones to be in line with other areas, as usual.

Terrain:
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Terrain mapmodes. The region is quite forested, in comparison to other parts of Europe.

Culture:
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Let’s open the Pandora box and take a look at the cultures! The German cultures have come through a couple of reworks, until we’ve found a spot in which we’re kind of happy (or, at least, our German content designers do not complain!). The German cultures are very linguistically related, as we thought that it would be the best starting point for 1337. Please let us know about your thoughts on them.

Religion:
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Boring religion map this week, as the region is overwhelmingly Catholic. There are Ashkenazi Jews in a bunch of places (a quick account: they’re present in 204 locations all over Central and Eastern Europe), and you may also see the Waldesians we added in the review of Italy last week.

Raw Materials:
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Raw materials! Plenty of!

Markets:
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The main market centers of the region are Cologne, Lúbeck, and Prague. We have reviewed them a couple of times, and this is the configuration that makes for a good setup historical and gameplay-wise. And you may also see Bruges, which has been reinstated as the main market of the Low Countries, after some tweaks.

Country and Location Population:
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The population of the HRE is… Fragmented. In that regard, Bohemia starts in a very strong position, with a strong competitor to its south (Austria) and north (Brandenburg).

And that’s it for today! I hope that we didn’t drive you into madness with this map… Next week we will take to a very different region, the Maghreb! See you then!
 
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Information and possible changes to my homeland (Means I have some knowledge about Northern Eastwestphalia):

Province and Area: Nordthüringgau is incorrect and is located in Eastphalia, which is in modern-day Saxony-Anhalt. Historically, this province is part of Westphalia due to its association with Minden. Therefore, it should belong to the Westphalia area and not the Lower Saxony one.

Locations: Both Minden and Nienburg are correct, but Lübbecke should rather be called Rahden. Rahden was characterized as the "northernmost" castle before a vast marshland (see the coat of arms of Rahden and the associated flax flowers), so the inclusion of Nienburg might not be quite right if one considers locations as a type of unit. The creation of the Lübbecke district is attributed to the Prussians. In the 14th century, however, Rahden was considered a much more significant town due to its castle which was completely destroyed in 1878.
Nienburg was bought by the County of Hoya in 1215 and is represented in the dynasty as "von Hoya," but why is it still seen as a separate entity?

Country: I assume that the two Mindens refer to the Hochstift Minden (ecclesiastical territory) that emerged in the 12th century and the Principality of Minden, which was secularized in 1648. Both locations are part of the modern German district of Minden-Lübbecke. Until the secularization, both locations should be part of the Hochstift Minden.

Topography: The Wiehengebirge (Wiehen Hills) is considered a significant low mountain range in this region. It holds cultural and societal importance. For instance, the Kaiser Wilhelm Monument stands at the Porta Westfalica there. (This monument could be something like the Great Projects in EU4 and could be built for the monarch who would found Germany. Depending on the characteristics of the person, this "Great Project" could offer different bonuses.) Additionally, this region is a very likely location for the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest / Varus Disaster in 9 AD.

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Rahden as part of the Prussian Regierungsbezirk Minden till 1831.

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Minden and surrounding area in the late 14th century.

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Topographical map of Minden and the surrounding area.

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Wiehengebirge

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Oblique aerial view of the eastern Wiehengebirge looking westward. In the foreground is the Weser breakthrough at Porta Westfalica.
 
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Could you tell me why you gave Mergentheim sturdy grains? I was under the impression that the only noteworthy produce of the area until after WWII was wine and the dry climate and rocky soil isn't suitable for much else.
The soil doesn't look that bad to me on a map of soil suitability for farming. It could absolutely have wine, just like Öhringen to the south, but I didn't want to go too crazy with the number of wine location, especially in comparison to France.
 
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I was under the impresison that the -gau suffix was a south german thing. Seems to be a lot of provinces in western and nothern germany that uses that here. Is that verified?

Edit: Yeah I double checked it and it seems almost all these -gau names in Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen and Rheinland-Pfalz are made up.

-gau is predominantly a south german thing please get rid of them, just have the provinces name Munster instead of Munstergau.
 
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-Gorlitz should be Görlitz
-Welfen should be Welf (or something similiar) due to the fact that the dynasty names also reflect the surnames and Welfen wouldn't fit
-In addition I would consider changing berlin and beeskow to marches (as for the other locations in the region I don't know)
Berlin was founded on a swamp and there were problems with some buildings that were unstable (Sources: Wikipedia Germany: Geschichte von Berlin and my knowledge)
in the beeskow location there are many lakes and swamps, but also often places where it is very dry (I live there)

-There was also the drainage of the oderbruch, so there were also wetlands there
Oder wetlands should definitely be a thing. It was one of the most significant Land reclamation projects in germany
 
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Nordrheinwestphalen whould not be an area, it does not exist historically before ww2. It was a completly artifical way to make sure certain thigns ended up in certain occupation zones. Westphalen is a part of lower saxony while the theinland and rheinland pfalz should be one area called rheineland.
It's a relic from the Early Middle Ages, those names only survived in the South.
I just looked up the list of these -gau names though and none of them seem to be real. Much better they just name the province munster instead of munstergau.
 
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Are you willing to change some of the names. For example why Danube-Bavarian and not Austrian and likewise for southern bavarian and not Tyrolean?
"Austrian culture" would be a very artificial name since Austria (Österreich) means Eastern (Öster) Empire (Reich). Furthermore, the Austrians started out as settlers... and their language is the same as that of Bavaria, therefore it makes more sense for the Austrians to be of "Bavarian culture" than for the Bavarians to be of "Austrian culture".
 
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I was under the impresison that the -gau suffix was a south german thing. Seems to be a lot of provinces in western and nothern germany that uses that here. Is that verified?

Edit: Yeah I double checked it and it seems almost all these -gau names in Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen and Rheinland-Pfalz are made up.

-gau is predominantly a south german thing please get rid of them, just have the provinces name Munster instead of Munstergau.
These are largely based on Carolingian administrative divisions that fell out of favour in the north. In the south they stuck around in name at least. I know the Deutzgau and Ittergau to be real for example
 
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Considering family trees and dynastic characters are a thing,can we set up our heir to inherit some county in the HRE by strategic marriage?or are marriages only improve relations modifiers?
 
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I am very sceptical of lower saxon westphalian eastphalian and angrian being diffrent cultures. I don't get your obsession with having Westphalian being a culture in Europa Universalis, we had this discussion in eu4 for years. I evnetually gave up of nagging you to get rid of it and just modded it away. Westphalen is just a part of lower saxony. the western part of the old kingdom of saxony.

I like tha Dutch is low franconian at the start of the game though, I assume it will switch name to dutch later?

I also think that the topography map should make more use of the small locations by picking up on more diffrent local topography. Right now it's just a bunch of big blobs. I doubt this lends itself well to intresting gameplay.

These are largely based on Carolingian administrative divisions that fell out of favour in the north. In the south they stuck around in name at least. I know the Deutzgau to be a thing for example
1337 is a bit late to use Carolingian administrative divisions though.
 
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So I guess since my hometown of Fürth actually made it in as a location, I have to comment on its status and... argue for it to be removed.
Fürth was initially owned by Bamberg, then from 1200 the Hohenzollern governed it as bailiffs and from around 1400 the neighbor city of Nürnberg also had considerable influence.
This lordship shared by three rulers created a very confusing situation that was only ended at the start of the 19th century when Fürth was absorbed into Bavaria.
This is what it looked like in 1717:
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Green is Nürnberg, Yellow is Ansbach, Red is Bamberg.
So this confusing status makes its inclusion the game kind of a problem. It also remained only a small town all the way until the 19th century when it became an industrial center together with Nürnberg (and the first railway in Germany was built between Fürth and Nürnberg).

As satisfying as it would be to make Fürth a glorious capital while depopulating Nürnberg, I think it would be better to rename the location to Cadolzburg or, as it was known at the time, Cadelspurgk (that looks very silly so maybe not).
While Cadolzburg just a small town in the Landkreis Fürth (rural district west of the city) today, it has a medieval castle and was the seat of the Hohenzollern Burggraf until he moved to Ansbach in 1385. So it would technically be the capital of Ansbach at the start of the game.

It also gave its name to an administrative division of the Ansbach territory, the Oberamt Cadolzburg:
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This fits the location in the game pretty well.

Its inclusion in the Riesgau province is very strange and so is the province itself, but I'm assuming this will be reworked anyway.
 
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I am very sceptical of lower saxon westphalian eastphalian and angrian being diffrent cultures. I don't get your obsession with having Westphalian being a culture in Europa Universalis. Westphalen is just a part of lower saxony.

I like tha Dutch is low franconian at the start of the game though, I assume it will switch name to dutch later?

I also think that the topography map should make more use of the small locations by picking up on more diffrent local topography. Right now it's just a bunch of big blobs. I doubt this lends itself well to intresting gameplay.


1337 is a bit late to use Carolingian administrative divisions though.
No I agree, I just wanted to point out it is not complete fantasy
 
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Proposed Changes for Brandenburg

The quoted post already a good post that addresses the current inconsistencies. The current division of the provinces is already relatively good (locations aside for now), but unfortunately, the geographical division of the provinces doesn't fit at all.

Below, I have listed all the regions that I would historically consider the provinces of Brandenburg. Everything else (Havelland, Teltow, etc.) I would allocate under these provinces as locations, particularly into the Mittelmark in this case.

Proposed Provinces:

  • Altmark
  • Prignitz
  • Ruppin
  • Uckermark
  • Mittelmark
  • Neumark

  1. Altmark​

  • Geographical Location: The Altmark lies west of the Elbe River, forming the western frontier of the Margraviate of Brandenburg.
  • Difference to current tinto map: The Altmark currently extends too far east beyond the Elbe, covering land that belongs to Prignitz. The Altmark must end at the Elbe and contain the currently displayed locations of Osterburg, Salzwedel, Stendal, Gardelegen. The Prignitz would begin east of the Elbe.
  • Historical Context: Known as the original heartland of Brandenburg, the Altmark was pivotal in the German eastward expansion (Ostsiedlung). It was a significant agricultural and trade region, with Stendal serving as the central hub.
  • Major Cities: Stendal, Salzwedel
  • Key Features: Rivers: The Elbe and its tributaries. Landscape: Mainly flat, with fertile soil that supports agriculture.
  1. Prignitz​

  • Geographical Location: Situated in the northwestern part of Brandenburg, the Prignitz is bordered by the Elbe River to the west.
  • Difference to current tinto map: Prignitz is currently not represented as a province at all. It should begin east of the Elbe (what is currently considered part of Altmark on the Tinto map) and must then encompass the two currently depicted locations of Havelberg and Wittstock.
  • Historical Context: Prignitz was a vital trade area with extensive waterways, linking it to major trade routes.
  • Major Cities: Perleberg, Wittenberge
  • Key Features: Rivers: Elbe and Stepenitz. Landscape: Characterized by rolling hills and extensive forests, with agricultural land interspersed.
  1. Ruppin​

  • Geographical Location: Located in the northwest, Ruppin is bounded by the Havel River and numerous lakes.
  • Difference to current tinto map: Ruppin should only contain the currently displayed location of Ruppin itself. Havelberg belongs to Prignitz and Potsdam and Brandenburg to the Mittelmark.
  • Historical Context: The County of Ruppin was a semi-autonomous region within Brandenburg, ruled by the Counts of Lindow-Ruppin.
  • Major Cities: Neuruppin, Gransee
  • Key Features: Lakes: Ruppiner See and other glacial lakes. Landscape: A mix of dense forests and open fields, ideal for both agriculture and defense.
  1. Uckermark​

  • Geographical Location: Situated in the northeastern part of Brandenburg, bordering Pomerania and Mecklenburg.
  • Difference to current tinto map: I think Uckermark is okayish right now.
  • Historical Context: The Uckermark was a contested region due to its strategic location. It played a crucial role in the power dynamics between Brandenburg and neighboring territories.
  • Major Cities: Prenzlau, Templin Key Features: Rivers: Ucker and Randow. Landscape: Features fertile plains, forests, and lakes, making it a prosperous agricultural area.
  1. Mittelmark​

  • Geographical Location: The central core of Brandenburg, including areas around Berlin and Potsdam.
  • Difference to current tinto map: The Mittelmark currently appears the most incorrect. Historically, it stretched from west (Altmark) to east up to the Oder, but it currently has more of a north-south extension so to display it more correctly it should include the currently displayed locations of: Brandenburg, Potsdam, Teltow, Berlin, Beeskow, Lebus, Freienwalde
  • Historical Context: As the political and economic heart of Brandenburg, the Mittelmark included vital landscapes such as Havelland, Teltow, Berlin etc. which were central to the region's development.
  • Major Cities: Berlin, Brandenburg an der Havel, Potsdam
  • Key Features: Rivers: Havel, Spree, and Nuthe. Landscape: Known for its varied topography, including fertile river valleys, rolling hills, and forests.
  1. Neumark​

  • Geographical Location: Positioned east of the Oder River, the Neumark represents Brandenburg's eastern expansion.
  • Difference to current tinto map: The Neumark has always extended east of the Oder, meaning it currently incorrectly includes areas west of the Oder. The following locations need to be removed and assigned to the Mittelmark: Freienwalde, Lebus.
  • Historical Context: In 1337, the Neumark was a developing frontier region that played a significant role in the German colonization efforts in Eastern Europe.
  • Major Cities: Küstrin (Kostrzyn), Soldin (Myślibórz)
  • Key Features: Rivers: Oder and Warta. Landscape: Characterized by flat plains and river valleys, promoting agriculture and settlement.


All changes in the Tinto Map outlined:
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Map Source Material:​

Unfortunately, most maps are from later centuries, but since the Margraviate of Brandenburg did not undergo substantial and sustained changes from the mid-13th century, Map 2 and 3 can still be used. Map 1 is a modern visualization (not a historical source) of what it might have looked like in 1320. This is provided for comparison only.

Map 1:

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Map 2
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ArtistFix W.
TitleDie Kur Brandenburg im 15. und 16. Jahrhundert.
DescriptionImage extracted from page 75 of Die Territorialgeschichte des brandenburgisch preussischen Staates, im Auschluss an zehn historische Karten übersichtlich dargestellt, Fix W. Original held and digitised by the British Library.
Note: The colours, contrast and appearance of these illustrations are unlikely to be true to life. They are derived from scanned images that have been enhanced for machine interpretation and have been altered from their originals.
Date1869
Accession numberBritish Library HMNTS 9385.eee.11.

Map 3
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Author: Nicolas Sanson, Paris
Title: Churfurstenthum und March Brandeburg 1657
Universitätsbibliothek Bern, Zentralbibliothek, Sammlung Ryhiner

I guess we found the same extremely sparse sources on the administrative structure then. ;)

Administrative Units
Christopher Clark as well as Wikipedia divide Brandenburg into 5 historical "Landschaften" (landscapes, which resemble provinces):
  • Altmark, Mittelmark, Uckermark, Prignitz = Kurmark
  • Altmark, Mittelmark, Uckermark, Prignitz + Neumark = Mark Brandenburg
This means Ruppin is not a Province, it's a Location (see below). To illustrate this, I tentatively drew some borders, based on some Wikipedia maps below (though it's a bit pointless without rivers which very often determine borders):
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For more detail about Mark Brandenburg's system of rule, see this Wikipedia article (translation):

"Only a little later, Emperor Charles IV's land register of 1375 distinguished three main parts: the Mark across the Elbe or Altmark (Marchia transalbeana alio nomine antiqua Marchia), the Middle Mark (Marchia media) and the Mark across the Oder (Marchia transoderana). The Middle Mark consisted of nine territories: Lebus, Barnim, Zauche, Teltow, Havelland, Glien (Löwenberg not mentioned), Prignitz, Uckerland and the Lordship of Ruppin. These, the Altmark and the Mark across the Oder were mostly further subdivided (districts, counties). The late medieval written sources used the terms for the different administrative levels quite arbitrarily, with the same words often referring to different structures."

The naming is a bit inconsitent though; what is referred to as "territories" will be called "Kreise" from the 16th century onwards. In the 18th century, Landschaften are called Provinces (see here). Thus, Mark Brandenburg's administrative structure was the following:
  • Landschaften (Landscapes or Provinces): Altmark, Prignitz, Mittelmark, Uckermark, Neumark
    • Kreise (Districts): Ruppin, Havelland, Glien-Löwenberg, etc.
      • Rural communities, domain offices and noble manors, which are basically settlements (for Kyritz District, it's Kyritz, Babe, Bantikow, etc.)
Altmark
  • Salzwedel
  • Arendsee
  • Seehausen
  • Stendal
  • Arneburg
  • Tangermünde
Prignitz
Mittelmark
Uckermark
Neumark
Magdgeburg
  • Luckenwalde (became part of Brandenburg-Prussia in 1680, but was not part of Mittelmark)

Maps for Districts (Kreise)
The only map that shows the Kreise properly is here (taken from William Hagen):

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This map is very consistent with the map shown above as well as the current Project Caesar setup. The current Project Caesar map is very well done IMO, but a couple of corrections could be done. In some cases, granularity got lost because it was too much (e.g., Prignitz has a very high number of districts); for Altmark, it seems a bit inconsistent, and in Uckermark, you have used the post-Napoleonic division (i.e. 3 districts instead of only 2).

Generally, I suggest using the names of the districts instead of the names of the cities, as is currently the case (Potsdam, Brandenburg, Herzfelde, etc.), and redrawing the map based on the districts. This way, the Provinces would resemble the Landschaften (Altmark, Prignitz, Mittelmark, Uckermark, Neumark) and the Locations would resemble the districts. You have done that already for Neumark as Sternberg, Landsberg, Soldin, etc. are all the historical districts (see map above).

This division of the Kurmark is also largely present in this statistical description from 1804, i.e. before Prussia was torn apart by Napoleon, though some larger cities (Berlin, Charlottenburg, Frankfurt) had formed their own administrative units by then, and generally there is less granularity in this statistic. I also found these districts in another topographical description of Brandenburg from 1775 which is much more detailed than the one from 1804.

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Prignitz
I only found this map which is super low resolution and very detailed. The source also mentions that the division into East and West Prignitz was only in 1817 when the old districts were abolished.

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(source)

Altmark
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(source)

Uckermark
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(source)
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Generally, this website seems to have a really large portfolio of copperplate engravings (search for "kupferstich karte magdeburg" for instance). The only downside is that these maps are rather recent. But since the districts evolved in the 16th century and remained until the early 19th century (source), I think you can confidently base your map on them. If I compare the map of Uckermark above with this map here, then the division into the districts Templin, Prenzlau and Angermünde seems to be post-Napoleonic.

Just as an extra, but here is a copperlate engraving of Magdeburg and Halle.

Summary
I suggest to remodel the map the following way:
  • For Locations, use the districts shown above (according to William Hagen). The districts are largely consistent with the Historical Landscapes (Zauche, Barnim, Teltow, Havelland) which are still used today.
    • Make Berlin significantly smaller. Until 1700, Berlin-Cölln was basically just Spreeinsel, in 1800, it encompassed parts of what is now Mitte (source), and the big expansion happened in the 19th century when it expanded toward the ring (the historic city walls). Modern-day Groß-Berlin (everything outside of the ring), which includes Charlottenburg, Spandau, Neukölln, Köpenick, etc., was only in 1920 (source).
    • Use the names of the districts, i.e., rename Brandenburg to Havelland, Freienwalde to Oberbarnim, Herzfelde to Niederbarnim, Beeskow to Beeskow-Storkow, etc.
    • Wittstock and Havelberg seem to be fine if you don't want to have 7 districts in Prignitz; the division into 2 districts is a post-Napoleonic construct. Perleberg seems to have a much richer history than Havelberg, and at least the website of the Hanse claims that Perleberg was the most important town in Prignitz. But whether you select Kyritz, Pritzwalk, Havelberg or Perleberg is a tough choice as they were all part of the Hanse.
      • Rename Havelberg to Perleberg (the capital of later Westprignitz).
      • Rename Wittstock to Kyritz (the capital of later Ostprignitz)
    • Remove Potsdam (which is southwest of Berlin anyways).
    • Add Glien-Löwenberg, Zauche, Luckenwalde. Note that administratively, Luckenwalde (and Jüterbog, Dahme, Jerichow) belongs to the Erzbistum Magdeburg, i.e. the Province of Magdeburg (source), and not Mittelmark.
  • For Provinces, remodel according to the new province map I posted and use rivers as natural borders. Here is a great reference map for Brandenburg and its neigbors.
    • Importantly, make Mittelmark and Neumark bigger; make Altmark and Uckermark smaller.
    • Remove Citizi and Wesergau, remodel them to depict Magdeburg, Anhalt, Halberstadt and another Saxon Province (I don't know, maybe Sachsen-Wittenberg or Kursachsen?)
    • Fix the borders of Mittelmark (which are far too south); as you can see on the maps I posted, Mittelmark is along a West-East axis, not North-South.
  • For population, adjust numbers to match with sources available. Sources indicate that 900,000 wasn't even reached at the end of the 18th century. Using the figures given in the literature for later periods, an approximation can be made which makes 200,000 for the year 1337 seem plausible.
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(Re-)Naming of the Capital

It pains me, but I have to point out that using the name "Berlin-Cölln" would be more accurate for the timeline of Project Caesar as the name "Berlin" was only used after King Frederick I. decreed the merging of both cities and other settlements in 1709 (source, source). If you rename it to Berlin-Cölln, please make it possible via a decision to merge Berlin, Cölln, Friedrichswerder, Dorotheenstadt and Friedrichstadt into the capital and royal seat of Berlin (which had 55k inhabitants at that point).

Population
  • 1300: 200,000 (BLPB, 2022; Wikipedia, 2024b)
  • 1486: 308,750; 1564: 381,000; 1617: 418,666; 1634: 300,000; 1690: 413,516; 1750: 767,354; 1800: 1,124,806 (all figures only Mark Brandenburg) (Wikipedia, 2024b)
  • 1650: 1,65M. (Brandenburg-Prussia) (Whaley, 2012, p. 188)
  • 1700: 500,000; 1740: 731,000 (only Mark Brandenburg) (Holmsten, 1991, p. 79)
Population ratio per province in 1750: Altmark 10%, Prignitz 9%, Mittelmark 43%, Uckermark 9%, Neumark 29% (Wikipedia, 2024b)
Oberbarnim: 1618: 13,000; 1631: 9,000 (Clark, 2007)
Berlin-Cölln: 1337: 4-5,000 inhabitants (Wikipedia, 2024a); 1450: 6,000 (Helbig, 1973, p. 30); 1448: 12,000 (Morris, 1994, p. 231); 1300: 8,000; 1800: 170,000: 1815: 200,000; 1845: 400,000; 1871: 800,000 (Stöver, 2013)
  • During 14th century, Berlin-Cölln practically had the status of a free imperial city which protected Brandenburg against neighbors (Morris, 1994, p. 231)
Frankfurt (Oder): 1740: 10,000 inhabitants (Holmsten, 1991, p. 79)
Brandenburg an der Havel: 1740: 10,000 inhabitants (Holmsten, 1991, p. 79)

Economy
Generally, the lands of Brandenburg were described as being of poor quality or “infertile sand,” with sowing periods every 6, 9 or 12 years. Only the Havelland, Uckermark and Altmark were described as being fertile (Clark, 2007). In the course of the centuries, colonizers in Brandenburg experienced challenges due to the varying soil quality. Around 1337, Barnim only lost 1,5 % of all “Hufen” (mansi, hobae, coloniae), and in Altmark, Havelland and the Mittelmark plateaus the loss was only in moderate limits. Parts of Uckermark, Prignitz and Neumark, on the other hand, partly had very bad soil for agriculture. Along the Baltic Uplands in the “sandar zones,” 90%-100% of all Hufen were abandoned, in the northern parts Nordmark about 1/3. Between 1450–80, up to 30% of all Hufen were abandoned (Helbig, 1973, pp. 69–82).

Economic forms that played a major role for the Slavic population for centuries remained relevant for the local economy for a long time. These include fishing as well as honey hunting (Zeidlerei) which was an important until late 17th century, both for honey and wax. Important locations of honey hunting were Havelland, Barnim, Teltow Uckermark. Lebus and Sternberg (Helbig, 1973, pp. 84–89).

Waterways played a major role for Brandenburg’s economy, as it was connecting the Oder River with the Elbe River through canals as well as the Spree River. 13th-century documents show that Brandenburg traders had a discount on tariffs in Hamburg which was one of Brandenburg's most important trading partners. Helbig (1973) mentions “wheat and rye, pig fat, pitch and potash, canvas and woad, copper, lead and tin, also herring and herring strand” as well as “wood, hops, honey, figs and spices, hides, deerskins, sheepskins and lambskins, wool and wool flocks, iron and iron tools“ (p. 118) that were exported by Markish traders for long-distance trade to Hamburg. Cloth had no tariffs for Markish traders if they sold their goods in Hamburg. The Elbe canal was built in 1663–8, connecting the Elbe River with the Spree River. The aim was to steer trade away from Leipzig to Berlin (Shennan, 1995, pp. 1618–1740).

The following cities in Mark Brandenburg were members of the Hanse: Berlin-Cölln, Brandenburg, Frankfurt (Oder), Havelberg, Kyritz, Perleberg, Pritzwalk (Wikipedia).

Several mercantile policies were put in place in the 18th century. The planting of mulberry trees was encouraged in 1742 with massive subsidies, while the import of silk was banned in 1756. Likewise, there was a state monopoly in tobacco, timber, coffee, salt (Clark, 2007).

Industries:
Cloth and textiles played a major in the economy of Brandenburg. The Peitz ironworks and hammer mill founded in Cottbus district in 1550 were the most important metallurgy center in the region until the late 19th century. In 1753 the Malapane Hutte in Upper Silesia provided the first ironworks with a modern blast furnace in Germany (Clark, 2007).

Resources
Brandenburg is usually described as lacking in important resources such as silver, gold, iron, zinc and tin. Historical sources on resource gathering activities are relatively thin.

  • Clay and sand in Oberbarnim for local markets (Helbig, 1973, pp. 148–149)
  • Lumber was generally gathered in Brandenburg, mostly for local markets (Helbig, 1973, pp. 146–149)
  • Wilde game wasn't specifically mentioned anywhere
  • Fish
  • Livestock breeding (cattle, horses, sheep) was important, but probably only covered the local markets (Helbig, 1973, pp. 129–132)
Topography
Generally it looks fine, Brandenburg is pretty flat and full of woods (which might have been forests at some point). You might consider whether you would like to turn some locations into marshes. There were vast marshes in Havelland (Havelland Luch), along the Rhin river (Rhinluch), the Rotes Luch, and the Oderbruch (for the landform of Luch, i.e. marshy or boggy lowlands, in Brandenburg see Wikipedia). Famously, the Swedes were trapped and defeated in one of those marshes at Fehrbellin in 1675. Exactly during this period, from 1675–1685, 15,000 hectares of marshes were drained in Havelland and turned into arable land. Almost 100 years later, under Frederick the Great, the deltas of the rivers Oder, Warthe and Netze were drained and 500 square kilometres of marshland turned into arable land (Clark, 2007). However, you might argue whether marshes were the defining feature of the landscape, in some districts probably. The landscape is very similar to Poland which should have marshes, too, especially around Masuria. I found some excellent maps showing the marshes in today's Brandenburg.

Adding a couple of lakes would be really nice. Brandenburg has a whole lot of lakes, such as the Wannsee, Müggelsee (both defining for Berlin), Schwielochsee, Sedlitzer See, Senftenberger See, Scharmützelsee, Partwitzer See, etc. (list here). Well if not for Brandenburg, for Mecklenburg it would see pretty important to add lakes (the Mecklenburg Lake Plateau).

Reference for the sandar zone (beige) in Brandenburg:
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Culture
Markish and Brandenburhish
Markish and Brandenburgish, are you referring to the dialect (seen on this map)? If so, then the influence of the Central German dialects on the Markish dialect only occurred in the 15th century with increasing economic and cultural exchange between Brandenburg and Saxony, especially during the Reformation, and it only happened in the area of Berlin and south of it. Translated excerpt from Wikipedia:

"In the Berlin area and in southern Brandenburg, the Markish dialects have mixed with East Central German dialects since the 15th century to such an extent that only relatively few of the historical connections with East Low German are still visible there. On the one hand, this reflects the economic and cultural influence of the Wettin-Meissen region, including in the course of the Reformation, and on the other, the introduction of the High German chancellery language after the Hohenzollerns came to power (1415).[19] Berlinish and South Brandenburg German are therefore East Central German dialects today, not dialects of Markish (i.e. Low German)."

Suggestion: At the start of the game, it should be all Markish, and only later with the Reformation (or other factors) there could be a slow cultural change happening.

Polabian and Sorbian
As I understand, Markish is basically a Germanic-Slavic synthesis since Slavic culture had a major influence on German settlers in the Mark Brandenburg. Endings such as -ow, -in, -itz und -witz are of Slavic origin (Rudow, Mahlow, Teltow, etc.). Many Prussian noble families have Slavic roots (von Bülow, von Clausewitz).

In the 14th century, Zauche, Havelland and Ruppin had smaller Slavic-style (i.e. Polabian or Wendish) settlements, and Beeskow was “almost entirely surrounded by Slavic villages” (Helbig, 1973, p. 24). During the colonization of the 12th and 13th century, noble rulers were facing pre-German inhabitants in Altmark, Prignitz, and Ruppin in bigger numbers. Slavs were also involved in the agriculture in Uckermark. Many older Slavic settlements were present in Prignitz and other parts of the Mark Brandenburg. However, Slavs were also involved in the founding of new settlements under the leadership of German locators ("Lokatoren"). Often, a new German-style settlement suitable for crop rotation was founded near an existing old Slavic settlement. These Germanic settlements might have been using the Slavic name until both settlements merged at a point, accelerating the process of cultural merging. Generally, the Wendish population had the same rights as the Germanic population, and they were free to move into the cities (Helbig, 1973).

Despite the slow assimilation and partly displacement, Slavs continue to be mentioned in documents, in particular around Salzwedel, Stendal (Altmark), Templin, and Stolp (Uckermark). In the 14th century, the Wendish settlement type of the Kietz (which is still used for Berlin locations) was found in Havelland around the fortress of Brandenburg, Potsdam and Spandau. In the Oderland, too, Kietze were found, e.g., in Wretzin and Oderberg. (Stone, 2016).
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Concerning the issue of the Thuringians: The Sachsenspiegel (written betw. 1225–35) clearly addresses legal issues concerning “Wends” and “Saxons,” which means that the use of the term “Saxon” was of course common at that time (Stone, 2016).

Suggestion: Spread Polabian more evenly in Brandenburg, particularly in the districts that are mentioned in the literature, notably in Havelland, Beeskow-Storkow, along the Oder River, Salzwedel, and Uckermark. Markish should be used as a culture that represents the synthesis between German settlers and local Polabian/Sorbian culture.

Reference
Barzun, J., & Weinstein, D. (2024, July 26). History of Europe: Migration, population, ethnicity. Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/topic/history-of-Europe/Demographics
Berend, N., Urbańczyk, P., & Wiszewski, P. (2013). Central Europe in the high Middle Ages: Bohemia, Hungary and Poland c. 900 – c. 1300. Cambridge University Press.
Brandenburgische Landeszentrale für politische Bildung [BLPB]. (2022, November). Die Entstehung der Mark. Brandenburgische Landeszentrale für politische Bildung. https://www.politische-bildung-brandenburg.de/themen/die-entstehung-der-mark
Brzechczyn, K. (Ed.). (2009). Idealization XIII: Modeling in history. Rodopi.
Clark, C. M. (2007). Iron Kingdom: The Rise and Downfall of Prussia, 1600–1947. Penguin Books.
Evans, R. J. W., & Wilson, P. H. (Eds.). (2012). The Holy Roman Empire, 1495–1806: A European perspective. Brill.
Fulbrook, M. (2019). A concise history of Germany (3rd ed.). Cambridge University Press.
Hagen, William. Ordinary Prussians: Brandenburg Junkers and Villagers, 1500–1840. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2002.
Helbig, H. (1973). Gesellschaft und Wirtschaft der Mark Brandenburg im Mittelalter. De Gruyter.
Hepburn, A. C. (2004). Contested cities in the modern west. Palgrave Macmillan.
Hofrichter, H. (Ed.). (1995). Stadtbaugeschichte von der Antike bis zur Neuzeit (3rd ed.). Vieweg.
Holmsten, G. (1991). Brandenburg: Geschichte des Landes, seiner Städte und Regenten (2nd ed.). arani.
Jordan, W. C. (2002). Europe in the High Middle Ages (D. Cannadine, Ed.). Penguin Books.
Malanima, P. (2009). Pre-modern European economy: One thousand years (10th–19th centuries). Brill.
Martinelli, A., & Cavalli, A. (2020). European society. Brill.
Morris, A. E. J. (1994). History of urban form: Before the industrial revolutions (3rd ed.). Routledge.
Qazi, S. A. (2013). Population geography. APH Pub. Corp.
Scott, T. (2012). The city-state in Europe, 1000–1600: Hinterland, territory, region. Oxford University Press.
Shennan, M. (1995). The rise of Brandenburg-Prussia, 1618–1740. Routledge.
Stone, G. (2016). Slav outposts in Central European history: The Wends, Sorbs and Kashubs. Bloomsbury Academic.
Stöver, B. (2013). Berlin: A short history (D. Stonecipher, Trans.). Beck.
Whaley, J. (2012). Germany and the Holy Roman Empire. II: From the peace of Westphalia to the dissolution of the Reich: 1648–1806 (1st ed.). Oxford University Press.
Wiesner-Hanks, M. E. (2013). Early Modern Europe, 1450–1789 (2nd ed.). Cambridge University Press. https://doi.org/10.1017/CBO9781139381192
Wikipedia. (2024a). Einwohnerentwicklung von Berlin. In Wikipedia. https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Einwohnerentwicklung_von_Berlin&oldid=246774508
Wikipedia. (2024b). Mark Brandenburg. In Wikipedia. https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Brandenburg&oldid=247167041

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I am done with my research. Hope that you find it helpful.

To-do-List:
  • Population numbers (finished 30/07/24)
  • Topography (finished 30/07/24)
  • Review of Wittstock and Havelberg (01/08/2024)
  • Cultures (01/08/2024)
  • Resources (01/08/2024)
 
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Some things in the Mecklenburg area do not quite add up for me:
  • (1) Gustrow and Waren obviously represent the principalities of Werle-Güstrow and Werle-Waren. Having just the name of the capital is fine, though.
    • See also post #1029: Werle-Waren did not yet exist, this territory would be part of Werle-Goldberg/Parchim in 1337
  • (2) Güstrow is written without its umlaut both in the location and country, why? The spellings I find are quite unstable (mostly the ow being rendered as au, aw, owe), but the Ü appears quite early.
  • (3) the lordship of Rostock was conquered by the duchy of Mecklenburg in 1323, it should not be an indepedent country in 1337. It was a Danish fief under hereditary Mecklenburgian rule. So the location Rostock should be part of Mecklenburg
  • (4) the province boundaries are quite bonkers. A one-location-wide province Stralsund stretching from Rügen to Parchim is silly. Zirzipanien also covers a wide area from the interior to island that historically was not connected
    • The territories of the different branches of the principality of Werle could be joined together in one province (Güstrow, Waren, Parchim, Malchin), rounding it out with Rostock and Ribnitz. Those lands also mostly belonged to the same parts of Mecklenburg during the partitions. This province could be called "Werle"
    • The rest of Stralsund and Zirzipanien should be Vorpommern (not entirely sure, where to put Neubrandenburg here)
    • Zirzipanen and Gau Polabi are odd names for provinces. Both reference slavic tribes from the area, both only living in parts of the area (Polabians in the southern part of "Gau Polabi", Zirzipans just in the Malchin and Güstrow locations.
  • (5) Western Pomeranian is an odd name for the culture. Just call it Mecklenburgian and rename Eastern Pomeranian to Pomeranian. Also, the colors currently do not allow to distinguish them at all on the screenshot. Not splitting EU4's Pomeranian culture should also work..
  • (6) Lübeck should actually share the culture with Mecklenburg, not Holstein. It belongs to that dialect continuum and its hinterland was there.
  • (7) I'm not sure, why there is Salt produced in Doberan, Stralsund and Rügen. There are no salt mines here and the Baltic is not saline enough to actually produce it via evaporation. Lüneburg should produce salt instead of lumber, though. In Mecklenburg and Pomerania, I'd expect at least some sturdy grains, probably in Doberan and Grimmen
  • (8) There was also the question of the Rügen Succession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Rügen_Succession). The mainland territories of the principality of Rügen (parts of the locations Stralsund, Grimmen, Ribnitz) were under Mecklenburgian control, while Pomerania should pay money to get them back and for Mecklenburg to relinquish claims. That payment never happened and there was a war in 1340 about this, eventually lost by Mecklenburg. I suppose that this could be represented by Mecklenburgian claims on Grimmen, Stralsund and Rügen locations.
  • (9) if we ever get a better distinction for the somewhat flat terrains - quite a bit of Mecklenburg is hilly (rolling hills) rather than smooth level plains. The absolute elevation is not big, but a ball put somewhere randomly has quite a good chance to be rolling away..

Some further suggestions in post #1029, after some discussion regarding the actual borders / states. Palando's map in #990 is quite a good starting point.
 
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Saarregion Feedback
I would like to add my 2 cents to theSaarland region in southwestern germany. For the sake of clearity i will structure it in several parts:

Locations:
The Location setup is really good for the western and southern part of the region, but could be adjusted on the northern and eastern side.
Location changes in Saarland-Region.png

- I would expand the reach of the Location "St.Wendel" to the west (dark blue color) to include the area of "Wadern" as it would be too small to be its own province.
Context:
The Wadern Area is home of the "Dagstuhl" a import castle who was build to guard one of the big inland routes between Trier and St.Wendel. The Castle was founded in 1290 from Knight Boemund von Saarbrücken and was ruled semi independant. With the decline of the ancestors of Boemund, the "von Dagstuhls", the ownership of the area went to 4 familys who where loyal to "Kuno II. von Falkenstein,archbishop of St.Wendel". Since then the area remained under the control of St.Wendel for most of the covered time period (up until the 30 years war where it became a dejure of the counts of Saarbrücken. More about the castle: http://www.burgdagstuhl.de/burgzeittafel

- Also the addition of the Location "Bliesgau" (light blue) with the city of "Blieskastel" as its capitel would be a welcomed addition. The Bliesgau after which you named the area, is actually much smaller (1) (2), but very important for the history of the region. It was very fertile farmlands and was the small breadbasket which secured its wealth through export of food to the surrounding Locations (mainly Saarbrücken, St.Wendel and Zweibrücken). The oceanic climate fits for the province. Its Topographic would be flatlands and its vegetation farmlands. Its Raw material wheat. The Bliesgau County had many knights as subjects which resluts in it oddly shape to best represent the holdings. So are the "von Kerpen" in Illingen its northwestern border, the "von Kirkel" in Kirkel its northern border to name two examples. Population of the county is rather difficult but around 35.000 seems realistic for the start date.
Context:
The county was established as a "Gau" (Blisgowe) in the Frankish Kingdom. After its decline, its counts refered to themselves as "von Blieskastel", which also seems to be the name of the county. After the death of the last count of the "von Blieskastel", Heinrich von Blieskastel in the year 1273, his daughter Elizabeth prevailed over her mother and sisters, resulting in inheritance disputes. After the inner-family dispute and the death of those involved without a clear succession, the earldom was sold by Henry of Salem, Elizabeth's husband, to the Bishop of Metz. He in turn pledged it to the Lotharingian “von Fistingen” in 1326. Through the von Fistingen family, Blieskastel came into the hands of the Kurtier in 1337 (fitting for the start date) with the help of the Archbishop of Trier, who administered the county. When Archbishop Jakob ran into financial difficulties in 1440, he pledged half of the rights to the knight Friedrich von Lewenstein. The latter used this power to take over the position of count in a kind of revolt. It is not clear whether there was any fighting, but Friedrich was able to assert himself and from then on was Count of Blieskastel under the archbishop of the Kurtrier. The von Lewensteins ruled the county until it was once again pledged to the rulers of Nassau-Saarbrücken by the Electorate of Trier in 1533.

References:
https://www.blieskastel.de/stadt/unsere-stadt/geschichte
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliesgau
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blieskastel

Size of the Bliesgau:
Bliesgau original map.PNG
Bliesgau zoomed in.PNG


- The last big change I would suggest is to add the location “Homburg” (the blue in the middle of the first picture). The county of Homburg is represented by name from the 12th century, at the same time as the Hohenburg castle on the Homberg, on which the town was also built. Which makes the name of the location and the town “Homburg” fitting. The county was of great geostrategic importance until the end of the Thirty Years' War and was fought over accordingly. The continental climate would suit the location. For its topographic would either hills or marsh fit, as the former suits the overall area, while the latter was the dominted feature in the valleys between, where most action was centered on, because the hills are still today quite difficult to move through. The marshes only disappeared almost completely as a result of industrialization and are now being renaturalized. Its vegetation corresponds to Forest. For its raw material, lumber would be the realistic choice, but turf extraction was also present in the region as early as the Middle Ages. Population wise, given the region in the 14th century, around 12 to 14k population seems realistic.

The county was created by Count Dietrich von Hüneburg (ca. 1106 - before 1159), son of Count Gottfried I von Blieskastel (ca. 1087-1128) in the course of the division of the county of Blieskastel between his sons. Under the rule of the counts, Homburg developed into a town and the castle grew considerably around half the hilltop. In 1330, the town was granted its town charter by Emperor Ludwig. Since the county of Blieskastel was no longer ruled by the “von Blieskastel”, the von Homburgs laid claim to the county, but in vain. However, when Blieskastel passed to Trier in 1336, the von Homburgs rebelled. The connection from Blieskastel to St. Wendel and Wadern was blocked. The disputes were resolved with the death of Konrad von Homburg (either in 1339 or 1343), in the course of which the von Homburgs' claim to Blieskastel was also relinquished. Whether the death was due to a feud or natural causes is not known to me. His son Frederick the 4th of Homburg then sought more conciliatory tones. After the death of John of Homburg in 1499 without a male successor, the earldom passed into the possession of Count John III of Nassau-Saarbrücken.

References:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homburg
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgruine_Hohenburg_(Homburg)
https://www.homburg.de/

Provinces:
For the provinces i would suggest renaming the province "Bliesgau" to "Saar" or as an alternativ "Saargau", as the Saar was and is a far more important river in that kind of scaling. The Locations of Zweibrücken and Kaiserslautern kinda fit into it but maybe i would add them to Nahegau, which in return i would rename to "Palatinate Plains" (In general all the -Gau Endings don't fit all too well)

Religion:
It's difficult to see through the yellow but i would like to add that there was a rather big jew community in the Saar Region. It's estimated that between 1320 and 1380 around 3500 jews lived in the region (in Locations terms, split between the Locations Saarbrücken, Merzig, St.Wendel, and if you add them, Blieskastel and Homburg)

Lastly i really want to thank the tinto team for your amazing work. The granulity of germany espacially is just insane!

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I got an message with an link and an map, containing the both proposed duchies of Blieskastel and Homburg. I add them here below.
https://www.historisches-lexikon-bayerns.de/Lexikon/Pfalz_(Spätmittelalter/Frühe_Neuzeit)
rheinish-palatinate map of 1350.PNG
 
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Is Moravia a dominion-type vassal of Bohemia, while the Silesian states are regular vassals?

Are there any more dominions in the HRE? And what about other forms of vassalage?
 
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ooh, and Trieste was part of HRE. What probably makes it confusing is because It's position on a border region between Italians Slavs and Germans meant that a borders could be quite fluid. Alongside the fact that its a city with Roman heritage, made it quite republican in character and independent from their nominal overlords. Part of HRE from its creation and Free Imperial City from 1285. But later with more and more frequent wars between Venetian Republic and the Habsburg Austria, Triest slowly traded away autonomy for Austrian protection.
It kept Free Imperial City title tho for prestigious reasons i think....

Treviso was also in HRE from the start. But first Peace of Constance gave the Lombard league high autonomy, and then just around the game start year Venetian Republic conquers it for good. So Venetian annexetion of Treviso is probably de facto moment when it loses it's HRE status. No idea tho, if the HRE still considered it as de Jure part of HRE after that...
 
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