Werewolf CCLXIII: Dungeons and Dragons

[Yakman]

Admittedly, my ironhide vote was quite stupid since I didn't realize I was putting him so far above all the other candidates due to knowing I was about to be unavailable. Day 1 having 17 players really messes things up for me since I never play lites. At the time I figured he was a good candidate since he has a more difficult time playing as a baddie, and his inactivity was very unusual in his case. As for wondering if we should tie, that's just what I'm accustomed to doing day 1 and I didn't know to do otherwise.

Cymsdale seems strange to me, though I've never played with them to know whether it's usual behavior or not. They were the first to push ironhide above others, getting ironhide to 4 when the next candidate had 2, and they didn't give any reasoning for their vote switches. Today they encourage voting the active players under the assumption that activity is more common for wolves, which may be true, though I think I tend to hide in the shadows more as a baddie, and I remember noticing the opposite is also true for others such as wagon. It kinda seems like it could be a play to make the village silent until it dies of inactivity and lack of info. Lastly:

This post is strange, just as wagon noticed. You only have heightened suspicion of two players and in between suspicion of another, and go after the in between one? Why?

Vote cymsdale

and suspicious on Day 1?

nah, he way sus. Leaving my vote on @Emperor Ike for now b/c I also think he's a wolf.

Might change it later to confirm @Cymsdale

 

[Wagonlitz]

the time I figured he was a good candidate since he has a more difficult time playing as a baddie, and his inactivity was very unusual in his case.

True. Good point.

As for wondering if we should tie, that's just what I'm accustomed to doing day 1 and I didn't know to do otherwise.

Bigd never had rhe only one free tie thing of lites, even when the size of liges.
Because rheeea other powers, meaning you can't fully analyse it. So its impossible to know if a tie is free ot not.
Anyway, even in lites you ahljldbt be afraid of tuing if needed.
The tie was eurodynamjcs.

Cymsdale seems strange to me, though I've never played with them to know whether it's usual behavior or not.

He's always been acting strange at times, iirc, thkugh can't recall if this strange.
Which is why I'm slightly hesitant to switch to him.
Albrot, I honestly am close with his not wanting to vote two mst suspicious.

Iirc he was rhe goodie who robbed DutchGuys brutal van Helsing, relegating him to a traitless villager, and then later aubbed into said traitless villager when DH went Zombie.
And as you know, then robbing somebody at random night 1 or 2 (Forgot if it was 1 or 2, but it was one of the two first ones, and think it was very 1st) as a goodie is utterly moronic and strange.

and I remember noticing the opposite is also true for others such as wagon.

Why do people keep proliferating rhe myth thar my activity depends on my role.
It depends on how much time I have irl.

I've been super active as a wolf, as a sorc, as a cultist, as a seer, as a priest, as a villager, etc.
In Tornadolis dynamic deadline game i was a goodie and more or less singlehandedly won the game with that major snipe battle. I was super active that game

And there also was a game where I as sorc was super active and more or less gave the wolves victory, but can't recall if I myself won that one or was killed.

He was halfway between both of you on my list. The compromise candidate.

So you listed two people you find suspicious sfor their action and then votes a third who's only suspicious because of your most active players must be wolves hijinks?

Feels like it’s too early for that? (not sure my WW senses are worth heeding).

It's never too early for any* action.
You should do whatever action you feel appropriate when you think it's appropriate.
Not everyvody can be on at deadline and ideally there's actively all day. Waiting until later means others might not see what you do, might not bid in etc.

Also saying you want to do a switch, but not doing it, is in itself suspicious as it can be used to claim, after rhe fact, that you wanted to, but irl stuff prevented toy.

*outings should happen as late as possible, and ideally not at all, but rather go through lynch or hunter hunt, but that's the soke exception.

 

[Flockingbird]

and suspicious on Day 1?

nah, he way sus. Leaving my vote on @Emperor Ike for now b/c I also think he's a wolf.

Might change it later to confirm @Cymsdale

Mmmrrphh, making me antsy because we have the same dance card, and I don’t care to dance with a MAGAdor wizard.

I’ve been wondering if the Cube is voting weirdly because they’re a gelatinous cube (partly) and therefore can’t think like a normal sentient being, or even if they’re trying to be lynched, for reasons known only to themselves.

Also saying you want to do a switch, but not doing it, is in itself suspicious as it can be used to claim, after rhe fact, that you wanted to, but irl stuff prevented

I haven’t switched yet because I’m on the fence. Am going over previous posts atm, trying to make the numbers/record talk to me.

 

[Cymsdale]

I’ve been wondering if the Cube is voting weirdly because they’re a gelatinous cube (partly) and therefore can’t think like a normal sentient being,

My my, we're just straight up masks off throwing around cubist comments like this. I don't know if you are a wolf, but you are certainly very rude.

I'm not trying to be lynched, and I've been very transparent in all of my actions. After all, cubes are about transparency.

 

[Yakman]

Mmmrrphh, making me antsy because we have the same dance card, and I don’t care to dance with a MAGAdor wizard.

I’ve been wondering if the Cube is voting weirdly because they’re a gelatinous cube (partly) and therefore can’t think like a normal sentient being, or even if they’re trying to be lynched, for reasons known only to themselves.


I haven’t switched yet because I’m on the fence. Am going over previous posts atm, trying to make the numbers/record talk to me.

The wolves made some weird comments and then were hyper-active on Day 1 to set up a tie.

Happens all the time. Usually the village falls for it and you have old hands like Wagonlitz arguing that Day 1 TIEs are good... just ridiculous.

 

[Emperor Ike]

Day one ties are always aimed at none voters or people believed to be none voters to wake them up. Then the village just keeps the tie and acts surprised they villagers ended up being lynched

 

[Flockingbird]

you are certainly very rude.

I’m a halfling mushroom farmer, and you’re a halfling/tiefling/gelatinous cube who’s been acting strangely; rudeness is to be expected. I ain’t some legendary Frodo figure who talks elvish’n’all!

shuffles around the people on the 2-vote tie. Tbh this kind of shuffling around is something more people should do

Cyms and MAW are tied at 3; Ike is at 2 (I’m on the Ike vote), and Wagon & T.Wombat are at 1 each. The case against TW is from Cyms averaging an activity list, and while Wagon’s behavior puts him on my list of suspects, Ike’s the one who made the final, fatal tie. And he apparently knew enough to hold doubts about running up D1 inactives?:

Day one ties are always aimed at none voters or people believed to be none voters to wake them up. Then the village just keeps the tie and acts surprised they villagers ended up being lynched

I’ll stick with Ike after all.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Day one ties are always aimed at none voters or people believed to be none voters to wake them up. Then the village just keeps the tie and acts surprised they villagers ended up being lynched

far from always is it zombies being run up. Cab be anybody, really.
And switches are often done when the front runners seem stale, and they did.

As for outcome, then we've many a time lynched a wolf with a switch, and many a time got information on wolves for layer nalysis.

 

[randakar]

The wolves made some weird comments and then were hyper-active on Day 1 to set up a tie.

Happens all the time. Usually the village falls for it and you have old hands like Wagonlitz arguing that Day 1 TIEs are good... just ridiculous.

Rereading..
I gotta say, the Yak makes sense.
I'm wondering what else is going to suprise me this game

 

[randakar]

Also, Wagonlitz, your typo monster is particularly strong today. What the hell did you feed it? Hapless villagers, perhaps?

.. anyway, no real clue except the Cymsdale case looks sorta good.

I can also be convinced to vote third party voters that kept out of the whole tie mess. Obviously I also qualify in that regard, but it's quite logical for a wolf to hide there and I have at least a better shot of finding a wolf in there due to knowing tje role of one of them (me).

 

[randakar]

Almost forgot:


Vote Cymsdale

At least this time my vote is meaningful.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Also, Wagonlitz, your typo monster is particularly strong today.

I'm on mobile.
Autocorrect is horrid and often fully changes things.
Sometimes I notice, other times I don't.
On desktop it's down to sometimes typing top fast, but it's limited as keys are bigger, etc. Usually it's something like order kf letters in a word moving around, but correct letters still being present.

On phone the keyboard is way smaller, so I often hit the wrong key. And autocorrect then sometimes changes to something very wrong.
Or other times changes stuff like not to nit because I've hit i instead of o too many times. Same reason it does kf instead of of at times.

 

[Cymsdale]

.. anyway, no real clue except the Cymsdale case looks sorta good.

Can someone lay out the "Cymsdale case" in simple terms? I mean, you probably won't talk me into it, but I'd like to know what I'm up against here. I know I'm a villager, so it'll be interesting to see what kind of twisted logic you all come up with. Could be very informative.

 

[Flockingbird]

We had no hunt N1. D1 Marty was silent. IF he was protected by the doctor (if we have a doctor), he’d remember the name of one of the wolves that attacked. Would there be any reason not to openly declare it the next day? (maybe one shouldn’t confirm the MD’s existence?)

Ah, crap. Sorry. I know it’s more work for you haplycats but feel free to ping me on discord also. (Although deadline is in the night for me so might not work anyway)

Vote cymsdale

It has been a long time

We haven’t theorized much about what happened N1–because we don’t have enough information?

 

[Caillean]

Well, to answer some questions, Bridezilla stuff is just flavour, day one is not a day I usually have any clue on who to vote.

Day two I usually don't have a clue either, but I think the tie just before deadline was quite intresting.

Should we try for a tie?

MAW asked for a tie, and as Flockingbird pointed out, a tie in this phase ain't helping the village. His vote put Marty in the tie, but later on his vote didn't do a thing. I think we can say that Marty and MAW ain't packmates. And ties at deadline are not helpfull right now, ties before deadline gives us stuff to puzzle about.

Yes. Lets tie two non voters if possible.

Switch to History!

Wagonlitz repeated the call for a tie, and called for a voteswitch to HistoryDude.

Or at least we should not cause a tie to happen today.

Dedo pointed out that there shouldn't be a tie on day 1, later he switched to History dude, indeed breaking a tie between Marty and Ironhide. But why not jumping on the Ironhide train to prevent an actual tie? From Ironhide 3, Marty 3, History dude 1 to 3-2-2 didn't prevent a tie later on

Wagonlitz [yakman 75 -> 132]
Dedonus [cymsdale 79 -> marty 111 -> 138]
Emperor Ike [yakman 92 -> marty99 119 -> 140]

And then Emperor Ike was the third voter on History dude, and there was a tie.

A tie before deadline was legitimate and usefull, a tie on deadline is not helpfull at all. Wagonlitz, Dedo and Ike are all players with enough experience to not let this happen on day 1 and they were all online around deadline.

For now my vote is on Ike, but let's not make it a tie at deadline this time.

Vote Emperor Ike

Because the Bride should be the only Princess, Queen or Ruler on her wedding day!

 

[Flockingbird]

Can someone lay out the "Cymsdale case" in simple terms? I mean, you probably won't talk me into it, but I'd like to know what I'm up against here. I know I'm a villager, so it'll be interesting to see what kind of twisted logic you all come up with. Could be very informative.

Some people who voted you didn’t say why; I assembled the quotes arguing for and against your case (hopefully I got them all; sometimes I hit ‘quote’ but it doesn’t register properly). In chronological order:

That’s not known. Did you mix up Alx and Ironhide, or are you an oath breaking wolf who knows something about Alx we don’t?

Your proposal to lynch the players with the most posts

Cymsdale pushes ironhide up to 4

cymsdale feels to me like a vill trying to force activity, though this is more gut feel than anything resembling an argument.

your vote on alxeu + post stating alxeu is a known villager instead of Ironhide

you word it to imply that only wolves would vote you. That’s clever manipulation

@Cymsdale and @Emperor Ike are the top targets. both were highly active, split votes at approximately the same time and have supported TIE on limited data.

I'm willing to give Cymsdale the benefit of the doubt on marking alxeu rather than Ironhide a known villager. Because whether he's a wolf or a villager the crux of it would be that Cymsdale mixed up alxeu and Ironhide. Which can be the case regardless of Cymsdale's role. His suggestion of lynching the most active players first now is dumb, but I read it as more tongue in cheek than serious suggestion. Vote wise from yesterday he looks worse though, having been involved in pushing Ironhide up pretty high. Yakman's accusation that Cymsdale supported a tie seems unsupported by the evidence though. So not a terrible candidate in my book, but some of the reasons people are suspicion of him are poor.

Cymsdale seems strange to me, though I've never played with them to know whether it's usual behavior or not. They were the first to push ironhide above others, getting ironhide to 4 when the next candidate had 2, and they didn't give any reasoning for their vote switches. Today they encourage voting the active players under the assumption that activity is more common for wolves, which may be true, though I think I tend to hide in the shadows more as a baddie, and I remember noticing the opposite is also true for others such as wagon. It kinda seems like it could be a play to make the village silent until it dies of inactivity and lack of info. Lastly:
This post is strange, just as wagon noticed. You only have heightened suspicion of two players and in between suspicion of another, and go after the in between one? Why?

He's always been acting strange at times, iirc, thkugh can't recall if this strange.
Which is why I'm slightly hesitant to switch to him.
Albrot, I honestly am close with his not wanting to vote two mst suspicious.

Iirc he was rhe goodie who robbed DutchGuys brutal van Helsing, relegating him to a traitless villager, and then later aubbed into said traitless villager when DH went Zombie.
And as you know, then robbing somebody at random night 1 or 2 (Forgot if it was 1 or 2, but it was one of the two first ones, and think it was very 1st) as a goodie is utterly moronic and strange.

I can’t make that ^ out.

So you listed two people you find suspicious sfor their action and then votes a third who's only suspicious because of your most active players must be wolves hijinks?

A post came in while I was assembling this; haven’t read that one.

 

[Deleted user]

Day 2 Votecount: ~1.5 hours to deadline

Cymsdale: 4
Marty [188]
MAWofdoom [192]
Arkasas [198]
randakar [211]

MAWofdoom: 3
Beartjah [175]
Team Wombat [183]
Wagonlitz [186]

Emperor Ike: 3
Flockingbird [177]
Yakman [178]
Caillean [215]

Yakman: 1
Dedonus [181]

Wagonlitz: 1
Aedan [182]

Team Wombat: 1
Cymsdale [190]

Not Voted: 2
@Emperor Ike
@alxeu

 

[randakar]

Can someone lay out the "Cymsdale case" in simple terms? I mean, you probably won't talk me into it, but I'd like to know what I'm up against here. I know I'm a villager, so it'll be interesting to see what kind of twisted logic you all come up with. Could be very informative.

Sure. Here is the original.

Cymsdale sets up his first day 1 vote on day 0. Can't really put a finger on this, but this feels a bit weird?

Then jumps from yak to alxeu which just shuffles around the people on the 2-vote tie. Tbh this kind of shuffling around is something more people should do (including myself here).

Other than that, we've got the usual day 1 create-a-large-tie behaviour we always get, until Cymsdale pushes ironhide up to 4 votes when the rest were still on 2.

The rest of that post talks about other people, mainly maw I believe, but pushing someone up to 2 votes above someone else is a bit excessive.

 

[Yakman]

Sure. Here is the original.


The rest of that post talks about other people, mainly maw I believe, but pushing someone up to 2 votes above someone else is a bit excessive.

good summary.

love it when a wolf asks "how was I outed?"

obvious wolf being obvious.

 

[alxeu]

I'm finally online. Reading who the votes are for, I gotta say I'm unenthusiastic about voting for Cymsdale, based off of a scan I used on him.

Gimme a few to find a candidate I like better, I need to review the other candidates today.