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Tinto Maps #12 - 26th of July 2024 - Germany

Hello, and welcome to another new Tinto Maps! I’m back to duty, after the review of Italy that we posted last Thursday, and Johan taking care of Scandinavia last Friday. Today we will be taking a look at Germany! This region comprises the modern territories of Czechia, Austria, Switzerland, and Liechtenstein. However, for most of the timeline in Project Caesar, it was better known as the Holy Roman Empire. This organization once was a feudal empire elevated from the Kingdom of the Germans, but by 1337 was mostly disaggregated into a multitude of temporal and ecclesiastical jurisdictions, with only a tenuous feudal relationship with their Emperor.

Let’s start diving deep into this nightmare, then…

Countries:
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I’m showing here a bit more of what the region is, so you can have a clear depiction of how it looks compared to the neighboring regions we’ve previously shown (and so that the Reddit guy who is patchworking the world map has an easier day ). What I can say about this when the map speaks for itself… The lands of Germany are highly fractured among different principalities, making for an extremely complex political situation. The Emperor in 1337 was Louis IV von Wittelsbach of Upper Bavaria… Because, yes, Bavaria is also divided. He is married to Margaret of Avesnes, daughter of Count William of Hainaut, Holland, and Zeleand, while his son Louis is the Margrave of Brandenburg. But probably the strongest power of the period is the Kingdom of Bohemia, whose king John also Duke Luxembourg and rules over both lands in a personal union, while also being overlord of the Margraviate of Moravia, ruler by his son Charles, and the Silesian principalities. The third contender probably is the Duchy of Austria, ruled by Albert II von Habsburg. He also rules over some lands in the formed Duchies of Swabia and Carinthia. There are also plenty of medium and small countries all over the region, with very different forms of government, which will probably make this HRE a very replayable experience…

Dynasties:
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The dynastical map of the HRE gives a nice picture of the situation explained in the previous one. The von Wittelsbach, de Luxembourg (John of Bohemia is considered of French culture, therefore it uses the French toponymic article ‘de’; if he would change to the German culture, then it would be the ‘von Luxembourg’ dynasty), and von Habsburg cover much of the map; you may note that the Wittelsbach rule over five different countries (Upper Bavaria, Lower Bavaria, the Palatinate of the Rhine, and Brandenburg); while the House of Luxembourg also control the Archbishopric of Trier through Balduin, uncle of King John. Other important dynasties, although in a secondary position, are the Welfen, von Mecklenburg, and Gryf, present in multiple countries to the north; the Askanier, who happen to control half of Upper Saxony, while the rest is in the hands of the von Wettin; and the von Görz, who rule over the Duchy of Tirol and the County of Gorizia.

HRE:
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We obviously have to repost the HRE IO map again here. The purple stripes mark the imperial territory, while the different types of members use different colors. We currently have these divisions in the IO: the Emperor (1, dark blue), Prince-Electors (4, light blue), Archbishop-Electors (3, medium blue), Free Imperial Cities (23, light green), Imperial Peasant Republics (2, orange), Imperial Prelates (44, white), and Regular Members (280, dark green). So, yeah, that make for a total of 357 countries that are part of the HRE. And before you ask: No, we won’t talk about its mechanics today, that will happen in future Tinto Talks.

Locations:
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Germany has the highest density of locations in the world, as we wanted to portray the historical fragmentation of the HRE at the most detailed level of any Paradox GSG. There are a couple of things that we are aware of and we want to rework: the location connections (as in some places they are not obvious at all, and we want to make warfare in the HRE not impossible); and the transition between the German locations and those at their east, making it smoother (something that we will be doing in the review of Poland, Hungary and this region [e.g. for Bohemia]). A final comment: if you click on the spoiler button, you may be able to see 4 more detailed maps of the region.

Provinces:
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Map of provinces. As usual, suggestions are welcomed.

Areas:
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Areas. We are currently not happy with the area borders (or at least, one of our German content designers isn't, and let me note it while preparing the DD... ;) ), as they reflect more modern areas so we will be looking into an alternative setup for them with your feedback. They also currently use their German names, which will change to English ones to be in line with other areas, as usual.

Terrain:
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Terrain mapmodes. The region is quite forested, in comparison to other parts of Europe.

Culture:
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Let’s open the Pandora box and take a look at the cultures! The German cultures have come through a couple of reworks, until we’ve found a spot in which we’re kind of happy (or, at least, our German content designers do not complain!). The German cultures are very linguistically related, as we thought that it would be the best starting point for 1337. Please let us know about your thoughts on them.

Religion:
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Boring religion map this week, as the region is overwhelmingly Catholic. There are Ashkenazi Jews in a bunch of places (a quick account: they’re present in 204 locations all over Central and Eastern Europe), and you may also see the Waldesians we added in the review of Italy last week.

Raw Materials:
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Raw materials! Plenty of!

Markets:
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The main market centers of the region are Cologne, Lúbeck, and Prague. We have reviewed them a couple of times, and this is the configuration that makes for a good setup historical and gameplay-wise. And you may also see Bruges, which has been reinstated as the main market of the Low Countries, after some tweaks.

Country and Location Population:
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The population of the HRE is… Fragmented. In that regard, Bohemia starts in a very strong position, with a strong competitor to its south (Austria) and north (Brandenburg).

And that’s it for today! I hope that we didn’t drive you into madness with this map… Next week we will take to a very different region, the Maghreb! See you then!
 
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Hello everyone,


first of all, thank you very much for the beautiful map! Nevertheless, I think that some areas are not depicted correctly and should be edited. I have posted two maps (the first is Tinto's map and the second is the map of the Duchy of Saxony in the year 1000). I assume that you used this map as a basis for the creation of Provinces. (Derlingau, Bardengau, Harzgau etc.) In itself this is not completely wrong, but we are talking about the year 1337, which is 337 years later than the map of Saxony shows. A lot has happened in the region in these 300 years, so the basic Provences division is no longer correct.
I live in Braunschweig. Almost nobody knows the term Derlingau (where Braunschweig belongs according to the Tinto Map). This has to do with the development of Braunschweig in the time of Henry the Lion, Otto IV (Emperor in HRR) and Otto the Child (founder of the Duchy of Braunschweig-Lüneburg in 1235). In 1000 Braunschweig (or the three villages of Altewiek, Sack) is a village. After the death of Henry the Lion, Brunswick is the center of the region alongside Magdeburg. There is no longer any mention of Derlingau, but of the Braunschweigische Land.


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Wolfenbüttel is more connected to Braunschweig than e.g. Gifhorn, so I would add Wolfenbüttel to Province of Braunschweig. You can even talk about Wolfenbüttel being a “little Brunswick” for the Dukes of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, because they moved their residence to Wolfenbüttel.


I also made a few suggestions as to how the regions should be divided:
1. province Braunschweig (capital in Braunschweig)
2. province Goslar/Hildesheim (capital in Goslar/Hildesheim)
3. province Hannover (capital in Hannover)
4. province Lüneburg (capital in Lüneburg).
5th Province Celle (capital in Celle)
6th Province Göttingen (capital in Göttingen)

Apart from the 2nd Province, all the other 5 core provinces were part of the Duchy of Brunswick-Lüneburg (see map next to it). The division proposed by me corresponds to the map showing the territorial unit of the Duchy of Brunswick-Lüneburg. I hope that this will somehow be represented in the game (event or something similar).

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The fact that the connection between Braunschweig-Lüneburg was important for the region is shown by the names of the counties/duchies in the future: the Kurfürstentum Braunschweig-Lüneburg (created from the Principality of Calenberg in 1692) retained the name of BS-Lüneburg although the city of Braunschweig belonged to the Duchy of Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel. After 1235 no one will speak of the county of Bardengau, but of the county of Lüneburg. No one speaks of Derlingauer Land, but of Braunschweiger Land (see the picture with the text below - from “Braunschweigische Landesgeschichte”, text by Dieter Lent). Here are a few works that prove that the reference is to Braunschweigische Land:
1. “Sächsiche Welfenquelle” (1194 by Henry the Lion)
2. “Chroniken der Fürsten von Braunschweig bzw. Sachsen” (1269 Blasiustift) - with this work the history of Brunswick actually begins. Nowhere else is there any mention of
3rd “Braunschweigische Remchronik” (1279-1298) describes the times from Widukind to Duke Albrecht I. According to Dieter Lent, the land is described as Braunschweig and in no other way.

These are works from the 13th century. The game is supposed to start 150 years later. The term Braunschweigische Land has long been established.


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Areas

I also have something to say about Areas

Although this map (see below) is from the year 1512 and shows Maximilian's reforms, I would still be very much guided by what is shown here.


I don't get along with the term Saxony, where the federal state of Saxony is located today. Historically, today's Lower Saxony was the “real” Saxony (see the las Map). After Henry the Lion refused the help of Frederick I Barbarosa in his campaigns in Italy, the Duchy of Saxony was divided into three parts. The new Duke of Saxony took the eastern part of the duchy. After the Duchy of Brunswick-Lüneburg was founded by Otto the Child in 1235, the new Dukes of Saxony no longer had a territory in the former Duchy of Saxony.

I would make an analogy to the reform of Maximilian I: Lower Saxony (Duchy of Brunswick-Lünebug and the other territories) and Upper Saxony, for the territory that is shown as Saxony on your map.

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I agree entirely the derlin gau and even the cultural map of theregion is just plane wierd to me even for 1337
 
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So for the centre of Germany, there could be the following adjustments:

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Split Gießen and carve out some territory for the cloth producing Free City of Friedberg (I also took some territory away from Marburg to balance out the province sizes).

Fulda could get another of its cities added with Salmünster by redrawing Fulda and Hünfeld.

Korbach really should be renamed to Waldeck and given to the County of Waldeck that survived into the 19th century. You even already have the correct shape for Waldeck.

There's the possibility to better represent Mainz's Eichsfeld by cutting Mühlhausen into two and giving Mainz Heiligenstadt.

Btw, it's not Buren but Büren.
 
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Silesia & Kashubia feedback
Locations


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I created these maps for 4# Tinto Maps in mind, so I will only mention Silesian and Kashubian locations here (after all, Silesia and Kashubia was part of HRE) + Prussian bonus.

Brand new locations sorted by provinces (Silesian, Kashubian and Prussian locations are written in both Polish and their own languages.):

Allenstein (part of Prussia)

14. Angerburg (in Polish: Węgorzewo) new place - Lötzen (in Polish: Giżycko) in old place
15. Rößel (in Polish: Reszel) new place - Allenstein (in Polish: Olsztyn) in old place
16. Braunsberg (in Polish: Braniewo)

Marienburg (part of Prussia)

17. Elbing (in Polish: Elbląg)

Osterode (part of Prussia)

18. Soldau (in Polish: Działdowo)
19. Deutsch Eylau (in Polish: Iława)

Danzig (part of Pomerania)

20. Tiegenhof (in Kashubian: Nowi Dwór)
21. Oliva (in Kashubian: Òlëwa)

Neustadt in Westpreußen (part of Pomerania)

22. Neustadt in Westpreußen (in Kashubian: Wejrowò)

Stargard (part of Pomerania)

23. Preußisch Stargard (in Kashubian: Starogarda)
24. Konitz (in Kashubian: Chònice)

Kolberg (part of Pomerania)

25. Kolberg (in Kashubian: Kòlbrzég)

Zielōnŏ Gōra or Grinberg (part of Lower Silesia)


31. Góra (in Silesian: Gůra)
32. Lubin (in Silesian: also Lubin)
33. Polkowice (in Silesian: Polkowic)
34. Bolesławiec (in Silesian: Bolesławjec)

Gorlicy (part of Lower Silesia)

35. Zgorzelec (in Silesian: Gorlicy)
36. Lwówek Śląski (in Silesian: Ślůnski Lwůwek)

Brosłōw (part of Lower Silesia)

37. Środa Śląska (in Silesian: Ślůnsko Środa)
39. Milicz (in Silesian: also Milicz)

Wałbrzich (part of Lower Silesia)

37. Jelenia Góra (in Silesian: Jelyńo Gůra)
38. Wałbrzych (in Silesian: Wałbrzich)

Brzyg (part of Lower Silesia)

40. Strzelin (in Silesian: also Strzelin)
41. Namysłów (in Silesian: Namysłůw)
42. Nysa (in Silesian: also Nysa)

Ôpole (part of Upper Silesia)

43. Olesno (in Silesian: Růżano Gůra)
44. Prudnik (in Silesian: Prōmnik)
46. Strzelce Opolskie (in Silesian: Wielge Strzelce)

Psczina (part of Upper Silesia)

48. Pszczyna (in Silesian: Psczina)
50. Mikołów (in Silesian: Mikołůw)
51. Tychy (in Silesian: also Tychy)

Těšín (part of Upper Silesia)

47. Bielsko (in Silesian: Biylsko)

Rybńik (part of Upper Silesia)

49. Żory (in Silesian: also Żory)
52. Katowice (in Silesian: Katowic)
61. Bieruń (in Silesian: Bjerůń)
62. Mysłowice (in Silesian: Myslowice)

Glywice (part of Upper Silesia)

53. Ruda Śląska (in Silesian: Wjelgo Ruda)
54. Zabrze (in Silesian: Zobrze)
55. Świętochłowice (in Silesian: Śwjyntochlowice)
60. Gliwice (in Silesian: Glywice)

Bytůń (part of Upper Silesia)

56. Chorzów (in Silesian: Kynighuta)
57. Siemianowice Śląskie (in Silesian: Śymjanowice)
58. Piekary Śląskie (in Silesian: Piekary)
59. Tarnowskie Góry (in Silesian: Tarnowske Gůry)

Racibōrz (part of Upper Silesia)

45. Racibórz (in Silesian: Racibōrz)
46. Wodzisław Śląski (in Silesian: Władźisłůw)

Siewierz (part of Lesser Poland)

63. Siewierz (in Silesian: Śewjyrz)
80. Wadowice (in Silesian: Wadowic)

Żywiec (part of Lesser Poland)

83. Biała (in Silesian: Biołŏ)

Brand new provinces
  1. Allenstein
  2. Neustadt in Westpreußen
  3. Stargard
  4. Kolberg
  5. Zielōnŏ Gōra (or Grinberg)
  6. Gorlicy
  7. Wałbrzich
  8. Brzyg
  9. Ôpole
  10. Psczina
  11. Rybńik
  12. Glywice
  13. Bytůń
  14. Racibōrz
  15. Siewierz
  16. Żywiec

Renamed locations

New locations names in Silesian and Kashubian (this is about dynamic names in these two languages - Silesian for Silesian culture and Kashubian for Kashubian culture):

Silesian
  1. Opole rename into Ôpole
  2. Brieg rename into Brzyg
  3. Opava rename into Uopawa
  4. Těšín rename into Ćeszyn
  5. Racibórz rename into Kluczbork (in Silesian: Kluczborek) BTW. THIS IS BAD LOCALISATION OF RACIBÓRZ
  6. Rybnik rename into Rybńik
  7. Bytom rename into Bytůń
  8. Wrocław rename into Brosłōw
  9. Jawor (without rename)
  10. Lubań (without rename)
  11. Zielona Góra rename into Zielōnŏ Gōra or Grinberg
  12. Wschowa (without rename)
  13. Wołów rename into Wołůw
  14. Legnica rename into Ligńica
  15. Głogów rename into Głogůw
  16. Żagań rename into Žahań
  17. Świdnica (without rename)
  18. Trzebnica rename into Trzebńica
  19. Oleśnica rename into Uoleśńica
  20. Oława (without rename)
  21. Grodków rename into Grodkōw
  22. Koźle (without rename)
  23. Lubliniec rename into Lublyńec
  24. Oświęcim rename into Uośwjyńćim
  25. Żywiec rename into Żywjec

Kashubian (also works for the Polabian culture)

  1. Stettin rename into Szcecëno
  2. Wolin rename into Wòlëń
  3. Schlawe rename into Słôwno
  4. Berent rename into Kòscérzna
  5. Kołobrzeg rename into Kòlbrzég
  6. Butow rename into Bëtowò
  7. Putzig rename into Pùckò
  8. Dramburg rename into Drôwa
  9. Lebork rename into Lãbórg
  10. Wolgast rename into Wòłogòszcz
  11. Rostock rename into Roztok
  12. Belgard rename into Biôłogarda
  13. Danzig rename into Gdúnjsk
  14. Karthaus rename into Kartëzë
  15. Tuchel rename into Tëchòlô
  16. Saatzig rename into Stôrgard
  17. Stolp rename into Stôłpskò
  18. Wyrzysk rename into Wërzëskò
  19. Schwetz rename into Swiecé
  20. Flatow rename into Złotowò
  21. Brandenburg rename into Branibòr
  22. Ruppin rename into Rypin
  23. Berlin rename into Kòpanica
  24. Köslin rename into Kòszalëno
  25. Dirschau rename into Dërszewò
  26. Bydgoszcz rename into Bëdgòszcza

TAG's

Brand new on start of game


  1. Duchy of Głogów
  2. Duchy of Świdnica
  3. Duchy of Brzeg
  4. Duchy-Bishop of Nysa
Formable

  1. Kingdom of Silesia (united Silesia)
  2. Duchy of Lower Silesia (united Lower Silesian region)
  3. Duchy of Upper Silesia (united Upper Silesian region)
  4. Duchy of Pszczyna
  5. Duchy of Koźle
  6. Duchy of Bielsko
  7. Duchy of Krnov
  8. Kingdom of Kashubia (united Kashubia)
  9. Confederation of Veleti (united Polabia)
 
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The Black Death is a Situation that spreads an epidemic disease called 'bubonic plague' through to different locations, nothing related to an IO.

There are temporary IOs such as crusades and coalitions. Those types of IOs are dynamic, so they appear as the game progresses; I was just referring to unique IOs scripted at the game start.

PS: Correction to myself... PUs are also IOs; so there are plenty of those at the start of the game, as well (I already mentioned in the TT the one between Bohemia and Luxembourg, for instance).
what you said about PUs is very nice, and yeah, I particularly like dynamic IOs, they definitely make the game feel more realistic

still, what about the Hansa? Will it be portrayed as an IO? If not, do we get a unique mechanic for trade leagues?

also, what about the Majahapit Empire? Will it be an IO too?

and in general, will the "democratic" path to create a formable involve going through an IO (like a Swiss IO if I want to democratically form Switzerland instead of conquering each canton, etc etc)? Like, honestly I think it is much more cooler and realistic (and more fun as well) than just having 100 vassals and slowly annexing one of them at a time

like, for example, unifying Italy unless it's outright conquest should put you through either a frenchlike vassal system or through an IO

(also unrequired opinion, but imo France should have been an IO as well, but I'm not a game dev)
 
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I either agree with everything you've said or don't know enough to say otherwise. However, I want to highlight the location of Haguenau since I believe there are some difficulties that arise from trying to translate the complex political situation in this city into the game:
Hagenau was also an imperial fief which was held by Emperor Louis's chancellor in 1337 and later on was transfered to the Palatinate.
To my knowledge, the Imperial Fiefdom in/around Haguenau that you speak of is synonymous with the Landvogt of Lower Alsace, which (at least in 1337) was a position directly subservient to and appointed by the Emperor (in this case Louis IV). Thus, if we were to assign ownership of the location based on the landvogt, it should logically belong to Upper Bavaria (or perhaps a vassal of UB?) in 1337.

However, in order to correctly portray the ownership of this location in later dates, there would need to be a sort of special mechanic that ties ownership of the province edit: location to the Holy Roman Emperor. While this would be a fine solution in my eyes, I'm not sure that trying to create such a mechanic for a single location is really worthwhile, especially when it would be that much easier and just as historically accurate to model Haguenau as a Free City.

Further, while the holdings of the Landvogt of Lower Alsace were basically all-but pawned off shortly after the game's start date, the Free City of Haguenau remained fairly relevant throughout most of the game's lifespan as the capital of the Decapole, which was one of the major political forces in early modern Alsace until Louis XIV's annexations (yes, the Landvogts played a big role in this administration, but as the Decapole was an alliance of Free Cities, it just seems most appropriate to show Haguenau as a Free City).

That all said, I do still think that the Landvogt might be represented through something like a special modifier or building (or perhaps even an unlanded country subject to the Emperor...) that slightly increases Imperial influence (or the equivalent thereof) and improves the surrounding countries' opinions of the emperor in exchange for greater control of their locations, so long as Haguenau remains a part of the Empire (or belongs to a free city, or something). IMO, this would better reflect the Landvogt's position as Imperial advocate/grand bailiff in Lower Alsace, or potentially even in other parts of the Empire that may have had a similar arrangement (I'm a lot less familiar with how other landvogts worked, but such an arrangement would at least be more-or-less accurate in Lower Alsace).

Regardless, I think we can all agree that Austria should not own Haguenau in 1337.
 
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Will there be any dynamic events regarding the Hohenzollerns ending up in Brandenburg? That might be a LARP a lot of players would be in to.
 
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Here's an analysis regarding the population (and how there's too much of it).
I divided the map into regions roughly based on how I'd expect distribution of population density to look like and colored them with expected population density:
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As you can see by the mismatch of colors and numbers in many regions, the existing population seems to be quite off...

Here's the table:
PopulationLocationsPop/LocationsExpected Density
Eastern Pomerania, Neumark733,2202727,156Low
Alpine Austria1,399,5736023,326Low
Northern Austria578,6643317,535Medium
---Total Austria1,978,2379321,271
Silesia1,197,6282744,357High
Southern Bohemia972,7953032,427Medium
Northern Bohemia574,5302622,097High
---Total Bohemia + Silesia2,744,9538333,072
Brandenburg, Altmark1,566,5072660,250Low
Münsterland, Osnabrück1,482,7931692,675Medium
Southern Rhineland1,290,8211871,712Medium
Lower Saxony1,208,0933534,517Low
Magdeburger Börde to Erfurter Becken1,029,8562836,781High
Lusatia991,6011190,146Medium
Eastphalia between Hannover, Kassel and Harz972,5571951,187High
Ruhr864,6701366,513Medium
Mittelgebirge796,2523026,542Low
Northern Rhineland790,3541746,491High
Bavaria, Upper Palatinate, Upper Franconia699,9815712,280Low
Schleswig-Holstein616,5921736,270Medium
Mecklenburg, Western Pomerania608,1252227,642Low
Untermain, West Franconia473,7532518,950Medium
Saxony449,6291334,587High
Upper Rhine396,4841136,044High
Swabia Rest383,2452813,687Low
Taunus,Main,Wetterau369,1681036,917High
Kraichgau, Neckar319,6181226,635Medium
---Total Germany15,310,09940837,525
Alsace348,8121131,710Medium
Northern Switzerland260,9302112,425Medium
Southern Switzerland529,0292323,001Low
---Total Switzerland789,9594417,954
---Total21,905,28066632,891


Some observations:
-In Bohemia, Austria and Switzerland, the population density split between halves of the countries are exactly reversed. The mountainous part of Switzerland has twice the population of the fertile plain. The mountainous part of Austria has a more population per location than the area around the Danube (and that's with twice the locations already). Northern Bohemia, where Prague, the Ore Mountains and most of the fertile farmland are located, has barely more than half the population of Southern Bohemia.
-There are some regions in Germany that just look way overpopulated, pretty much all of the North. The Münsterland and northern East Westphalia have a crazy density, why? Did Lusatia really have among the highest population density in the HRE? I doubt it.
-As you can see in the table, total population in the borders of modern Germany is 15.3 million. The estimates for the pre-Black Death population that I've seen are 6-8 million, so basically half of that.

Edit: I merged the Low and Very Low categories and updated the map. There likely weren't any massive differences in population density in 1337 due to the low development of infrastructure and agricultural efficiency, so I don't want the map to give the impression that some areas were depopulated.
 
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Here's an analysis regarding the population (and how there's too much of it).
I divided the map into regions roughly based on how I'd expect distribution of population density to look like and colored them with expected population density:
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As you can see by the mismatch of colors and numbers in many regions, the existing population seems to be quite off...

Here's the table:
PopulationLocationsPop/LocationsExpected Density
Eastern Pomerania, Neumark733,2202727,156Very Low
Alpine Austria1,399,5736023,326Very Low
Northern Austria578,6643317,535Medium
---Total Austria1,978,2379321,271
Silesia1,197,6282744,357High
Southern Bohemia972,7953032,427Medium
Northern Bohemia574,5302622,097High
---Total Bohemia + Silesia2,744,9538333,072
Brandenburg, Altmark1,566,5072660,250Low
Münsterland, Osnabrück1,482,7931692,675Low
Southern Rhineland1,290,8211871,712Medium
Lower Saxony1,208,0933534,517Very Low
Magdeburger Börde to Erfurter Becken1,029,8562836,781High
Lusatia991,6011190,146Medium
Hannover, Braunschweig, Goslar, Göttingen, Kassel972,5571951,187Medium
Ruhr864,6701366,513Medium
Mittelgebirge796,2523026,542Low
Northern Rhineland790,3541746,491High
Bavaria, Upper Palatinate, Upper Franconia699,9815712,280Very Low
Schleswig-Holstein616,5921736,270Low
Mecklenburg, Western Pomerania608,1252227,642Very Low
Untermain, West Franconia473,7532518,950Medium
Saxony449,6291334,587High
Upper Rhine396,4841136,044High
Swabia Rest383,2452813,687Very Low
Taunus,Main,Wetterau369,1681036,917High
Kraichgau, Neckar319,6181226,635Medium
---Total Germany15,310,09940837,525
Alsace348,8121131,710Medium
Northern Switzerland260,9302112,425High
Southern Switzerland529,0292323,001Very Low
---Total Switzerland789,9594417,954
---Total21,905,28066632,891


Some observations:
-In Bohemia, Austria and Switzerland, the population density split between halves of the countries are exactly reversed. The mountainous part of Switzerland has twice the population of the fertile plain. The mountainous part of Austria has a more population per location than the area around the Danube (and that's with twice the locations already). Northern Bohemia, where Prague, the Ore Mountains and most of the fertile farmland are located, has barely more than half the population of Southern Bohemia.
-There are some regions in Germany that just look way overpopulated, pretty much all of the North. The Münsterland and northern East Westphalia have a crazy density, why? Did Lusatia really have among the highest population density in the HRE? I doubt it.
-As you can see in the table, total population in the borders of modern Germany is 15.3 million. The estimates for the pre-Black Death population that I've seen are 6-8 million, so basically half of that.
6-8 seems quite low, especially considering English estimates of about 4-5 million around this same period.
BTW even without a good projection you can still compute the pop density per km2 using the borders you have
 
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6-8 seems quite low, especially considering English estimates of about 4-5 million around this same period.
BTW even without a good projection you can still compute the pop density per km2 using the borders you have
Well we're talking about a tenth of the modern population at the upper end, which would be exactly the same as 4-5 million for England.
 
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I hope add location of Eupen-Malmedy——

After all, in the Vienna Conference before the end of the game, this land belonged to Prussia

And more importantly, adding this position will make the territory more beautiful


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Here's an analysis regarding the population (and how there's too much of it).
I divided the map into regions roughly based on how I'd expect distribution of population density to look like and colored them with expected population density:
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As you can see by the mismatch of colors and numbers in many regions, the existing population seems to be quite off...

Some observations:
-In Bohemia, Austria and Switzerland, the population density split between halves of the countries are exactly reversed. The mountainous part of Switzerland has twice the population of the fertile plain. The mountainous part of Austria has a more population per location than the area around the Danube (and that's with twice the locations already). Northern Bohemia, where Prague, the Ore Mountains and most of the fertile farmland are located, has barely more than half the population of Southern Bohemia.
Great work regarding the data! But your expectations seem to be a bit off. There are mountains in the eastern part of the northern part of the Czech lands, where you expect high density; While in the southern part there are fertile valleys in southern Moravia where I would expect high density, and you put moderate. That kind of disproves your point.
But I would still expect some changes to the area, especially the province around Prague should, in my opinion, have much larger population as it was the center of Bohemia, it was quite fertile and there were many towns, mines etc. boosting the economic activity. I have a source stating that in 1350 the city of Prague itself without the surrounding areas should have a population of 40000, and that the second and third most populous cities were Brno and Kutná Hora with 8000 people each.

Next time, I would suggest using different colors. I naturally expect green to mean higher population density than red.
 
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Great work regarding the data! But your expectations seem to be a bit off. There are mountains in the eastern part of the northern part of the Czech lands, where you expect high density; While in the southern part there are fertile valleys in southern Moravia where I would expect high density, and you put moderate. That kind of disproves your point.
Well, at least in the Austria-Hungary, some of the densest populated parts were exactly in the Northern Sudetenland. On the other side of the Giant Mountains, in Silesia, the population density was also quite high, so it doesn't look like these mountains really prevented lots of people from living there.
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The situation may have been very different in 1337, but it's probably impossible to tell, and these areas did see relatively recent German settlement, so they were likely fairly densely populated.
Next time, I would suggest using different colors. I naturally expect green to mean higher population density than red.
Interesting, I picked the lighter color to mean less population density.
 
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So for the centre of Germany, there could be the following adjustments:

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Split Gießen and carve out some territory for the cloth producing Free City of Friedberg (I also took some territory away from Marburg to balance out the province sizes).

Fulda could get another of its cities added with Salmünster by redrawing Fulda and Hünfeld.

Korbach really should be renamed to Waldeck and given to the County of Waldeck that survived into the 19th century. You even already have the correct shape for Waldeck.

There's the possibility to better represent Mainz's Eichsfeld by cutting Mühlhausen into two and giving Mainz Heiligenstadt.

Btw, it's not Buren but Büren.
I kind of doubt adding more locations to central hessia is going to happen as the location density is already pretty high but concerning the Friedberg province there are a few alternative options as well.
Especially as there are already the two imperial cities of Wetzlar and Frankfurt in the region and Friedberg was pretty small and insignificant in the 14th century and especially later when compared to those two.
Alternative Names for a location to the south of the current Gießen location would be Lich, Butzbach or Homburg.
Homburg becoming relevant later in the period as a capital of one of the Hessian Landgraviates
Münzenberg would also be an option but by the 1337 it was already pretty irrelevant except for the title
all these would be owned by the Lords of Falkenstein at the Start

Correction: Homburg was not owned by Falkenstein but by Eppstein (i think)
 
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Culture:
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Let’s open the Pandora box and take a look at the cultures! The German cultures have come through a couple of reworks, until we’ve found a spot in which we’re kind of happy (or, at least, our German content designers do not complain!). The German cultures are very linguistically related, as we thought that it would be the best starting point for 1337. Please let us know about your thoughts on them.
About the culture map mode
I think it is based on more modern cultural distinctions. I disagree on creating Angrian and splitting Markish and Brandenburgish cultures
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I found this map as the only place where they are depicted

But there are also a lot of more modern research showing there are no such distinctions at all
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A great book I found about the Middle Low German at that time is Mittelniederdeutsche Grammatik by Lasch (1914).

He divided the Middle Low German language (during the Hanseatic period) into groups:

Westphalian
North Low Saxon (With subgroups of East Frisian, Nordalbingian from river Weser to Holstein, East Elbian from Lübeck to Pomerania. Later two are highly connected)
Eastphalian
Brandenburgish

I think there is no need to subdivide North Low Saxon so much, and it will be an interesting gameplay feature if there is one big North Low Saxon on the beaches of HRE
 
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