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Tinto Maps #14 - 9th of August 2024 - Western Africa

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Maps, the day of the week for map nerds lovers! This week we will be taking a look at Western Africa! These lands were named historically in different ways, although probably the most widespread naming was Guinea, which also names the Gulf that makes for the southern limit of the region, with the Atlantic Ocean being to the west, the Sahara desert to the north, and the lands around Lake Chad making for the approximate eastern border.

With these regions, we’re also leaving the ‘Easy Mode Map-Making’ of Project Caesar, as getting comprehensive sources of information for 1337 for most of Sub-Saharan Africa is challenging, as the traditional historical record was oral, in contrast with the written records usual in Eurasia. In any case, we did our best to depict the rich history and geography of the region and its diversity, which is stunning. Let’s start, then!

Countries:
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The most important country, and one of the world's great powers, is the Empire of Mali, which in 1337 is at its zenit, still ruled by the infamous Mansa Mūsā. It controls not only the core lands of the Mandé-speaking peoples, but also holds the overlordship over Jolof, most of the fertile Niger river basin, and some of the most important Saharan outposts. To its south-east, the Mossi are organized in several polities (Ougadagou, Gwiriko, Yatenga, Boussouma, Tenkodogo, and Liptako). South into the coast, Kong, Dagbon, Bonoman, and Mankessim are polities ruled by the Dyula, the Dagbani, and the Akan (the last two). To the east, Fada N’gourma, Borgu, and Mamprugu connect with the lands of the Hausa, which rule from several city-states: Kebbi, Gobir, Zafara, Katsina, Daura, Kano, Rano, and Zazzau. Further to the east, the Empire of Kanem rules the lands around Lake Chad from its capital in Njimi, and over some of the Saharan corridors, making it the region's second wealthiest country. And finally, further to the south, there are the lands of the Nupe, the Yoruba (Oyo, Ife, Ijebu, Owo), the Edo (Benin), and the Igbo (Nri).

Dynasties:
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The dynasties of the region are a mix of well-known ones, such as the Keita of Mali, the Ndiaye of Jolof, or the Sayfawa of Kanem, and randomly generated ones for the rest of the polities, as we don’t have good enough sources on who was ruling over most of them in 1337.

Locations:
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The locations of Western Africa. We’ve tried our best to find suitable locations, correct naming, etc., although I’m sure there might be plenty of feedback to apply.

Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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This week we have proper Terrain mapmodes at the release of the Tinto Maps… Not much to say about them, though, as the climate and vegetation are pretty straightforward, being divided into Arid and Tropical; while the vegetation goes from desert and sparse beside the Sahara, to increasingly more forested terrain, until reaching the tropical jungles by the coast. The topography is not very fragmented, with the Guinean Highlands and the Adamawa Plateau being the most important landmarks.

Natural Harbors:
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A new map mode this week, coming from the latest Tinto Talks! There are some decent natural harbors in the region, with Banana Islands (where Freetown would be founded), Elmina, and Calabar being the best ones.

Cultures:
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A beautiful map this week… I may repeat that we tried our best to approach the region, taking into account that this was the first African region we completed, around 3 years ago. When we review it, we may add some more diversity, as we have now some more tools than the ones we had back in time, but we think that it’s way best to read your feedback first, to make sure we are on the same page.

Religions:
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Take this map as very WIP. The Sunni-Animism division is kind of accurate, with the expected division for 1337 (Islam would later on advance more to the South, but we think this is the best for this date). What we have yet to do is to divide the ‘Animism’ population into some of the regional variants; we already have plenty of data, but we also want to read your feedback on this first.

Raw Materials:
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The goods of the region are quite diverse and very dependent on the geography. In the Saharan lands, there are plenty of locations with resources such as Salt, Copper, or Alum (regarding this resource, the lands to the north of Lake Chad make for the densest Alum hub in the world for 1337, something the historical sources talk about). Livestock is king in the Sahelian lands, while there are plenty of agricultural goods in the Niger river basin. The region is also full of luxury goods, of which Gold is the most relevant, as being the biggest supply of this metal to the Mediterranean and Europe in the Late Middle Ages, while also having others such as Ivory, Gems, or Spices (which in this region are portraying some goods such as kola nuts, or malagueta pepper). Finally, the coasts of the Gulf of Guinea have plenty of Fish. Maybe the only type of good that is not very abundant in the region is metals, as having some Iron, Tin, etc., but not much in comparison with other regions.

Markets:
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Markets of the region, have an interesting distribution. The most important ones in 1337 are Niani, Kano, and Njimi, which are also connected to the Northern African markets, making it possible to get plenty of wealth by exporting well-demanded goods throughout the Sahara (for instance, exporting Gold or Alum for good money is a very viable strategy ATM). Later on, after the Age of Discovery, the coastal markets may get connected to other markets, making them more relevant, and maybe switching the power balance of the region from the North to the South, as historically happened (but take it as a ‘maybe’, not for granted, OFC!).

Population:
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Population of the region. We’ve improved a bit our tracking of the population data, to avoid further problems like the one we had with Germany. I can tell you that the total population of Western Africa is around 5.6M people, which is divided into 2.2M for the Sahel, and 3.3M for the coast of Guinea. You may very well notice that the hegemonic power here may be Mali, with around 700k people, but also that there are many more people not living under the rule of a polity, than living under it, which will make for interesting gameplay on how to deal with it (more about this in a later Tinto Talks, soon…).

And, speaking of that, I have the sad news that next Friday there is a bank holiday here in Spain, so there won’t be a Tinto Maps. The next one will be on Friday 23rd, and we will be taking a look at Eastern Africa! Until then, you may still stay tuned, as we will be replying to feedback, as usual, and we may have some informal maps incoming. Cheers!
 
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I saw a french documentary about Mansa Musa once and they said he wanted everyone to think he was rich because Mali just had infinite gold but actually most of his wealth came from trading slaves. Does anyone know anything about this?
Most of the crown's wealth came from their gold tax policy, controlling the exchanges of nuggets and dust in some of the biggest markets of West Africa, while also monopolizing the salt trade.
 
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Here's multiple estimations for all of Africa, so that's including North Africa, none of which are anywhere near 140 mil for 1700.


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These sources from the 70s and 80s.

I tried looking for more recent sources (2000s).

I also think 140 is way too much. But even some of the sources you cite give a ~100 mil estimation, such a populatin in 1700 would support and argument for 40-50 mil in 1337 I think.


Averaging these out and then going with a middle value between 1000 and 1500 you get 50.95 million for all of Africa in the 1300s. If we remove the already confirmed Egyptian and Maghreb populations from the current Tinto maps, one gets:

~ 37 491 000 population in Sub-Saharan Africa in 1300s

And I mean this sounds about right for the period, development and climate. And I think one of the higher estimates on the list is still skewing it too high. You can't really argue for more than this at all.
 
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I don't have much skin in the game of population numbers in Africa. As you mention Sub-Saharan Africa is estimated to have ~60 million people circa 1300.

One source I found through a simple google search cites a 1700s estimate of ~140 million people. So I think 60 million for all of Sub-Saharan Africa is a fair total estimate in 1337, maybe a bit on the upper bound, thing is I'd argue its really hard to get any decent estimates for the congo jungle.

But Sub-Saharan Africa contains the following regions according to Eu4:

West Africa
East Africa
Horn of Africa
Congo
Central Africa
South Africa

If you were to divide these evenly you'd get get ~10 million per region.

Yet I'd think everyone would agree it'd be kind of absurd to evenly distribute these.

This Tinto Talks is about Western Africa so lets focus on that.

My source claims that in 1700s for a total population of 140 million West Africa held 50 million, so about 36%. Which surprisingly (to me at least) tracks pretty well with todays percentages.

The UN sub region defined as West Africa has a population estimate of 418mil, and Africa's pop estimate is around 1.216 billion. So today west africa makes up ~34% of total african population.

So lets just say 35% of african population should be in West Africa; 60 mil for west africa would mean a total population of 21 million.

Which honestly I DO NOT think is ABSURD. It kinda meets both people in the middle, the ones who claim Mali alone had ~50 million people (lmao) and those who say West Africa wasn't that populated.

IMO 21 million isn't that much for a land mass roughly 5 times the size of Zhongyuan (China's historical, political, economic, cultural and population center).

Two caveats I would add is that depending on the source you could have different definitions of west Africa at least compared with how Project Caesar defines it, thus getting bloated populations or significantly reduced numbers.

Second caveat would be that depeding on how they define East Africa in PC it might have not only a higher population but a higher % of the total sub-saharan population.

IN any case my final opinion would be that 21 mil is ok but still too high, maybe ~15 mil would be good.

the source i mentioned (idk if its any good):
Yup, to further add, I simply can't believe the entirity of west africa has the same populations as the magreb (according to tinto). I would argue that the Sahel on its own should have at least a similar amount of pop (specially considering that the Sahel is even bigger). Add the population of Guinea to that.
 
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I remember a report from 1960s Berkeley concluding that Yorubaland was, far and away, one of the most densely populated societies, not only in West Africa, but on the planet.
Berkeley's estimates are ridiculous.
They might be motivated by well meaning motives but from an academic perspective they are nonesense.
 
Averaging these out and then going with a middle value between 1000 and 1500 you get 50.95 million for all of Africa in the 1300s. If we remove the already confirmed Egyptian and Maghreb populations from the current Tinto maps, one gets:

~ 37 491 000 population in Sub-Saharan Africa in 1300s

And I mean this sounds about right for the period, development and climate. And I think one of the higher estimates on the list is still skewing it too high. You can't really argue for more than this at all.
And if we assign West Africa a percentage of 35%.

You'd get a population of ~13 milion which honestly I think would be perfect.
 
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Most of the crown's wealth came from their gold tax policy, controlling the exchanges of nuggets and dust in some of the biggest markets of West Africa, while also monopolizing the salt trade.
Was going to say something like that.
Salt was one of the main products traded in the transaharan trade, specially given the number of salt mines in the Sahara itself.
Its just not often considered because it doesn't sound all that exotic.
 
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Berkeley's estimates are ridiculous.
They might be motivated by well meaning motives but from an academic perspective they are nonesense.
Unfortunately a lot of studies are. Doing honest research that may end up repeating old findings or estimations isn't as lucrative as doing some type of exaggerated revisionism. However, old research can also lean into too high estimations. I'm aware Henry F. Dobyns in 1966 famously estimated the US and Canada (that means excluding Mexico and the Caribbean) as having had a pre-Columbian population of more than 12 million, while more recent studies place it at half that.

Generally I think it's best practice to leave out extreme high and low estimations and instead count up and average out the rest.
 
Unfortunately a lot of studies are. Doing honest research that may end up repeating old findings or estimations isn't as lucrative as doing some type of exaggerated revisionism. However, old research can also lean into too high estimations. I'm aware Henry F. Dobyns in 1966 famously estimated the US and Canada (that means excluding Mexico and the Caribbean) as having had a pre-Columbian population of more than 12 million, while more recent studies place it at half that.

Generally I think it's best practice to leave out extreme high and low estimations and instead count up and average out the rest.
No offense to any oldheads in the forums but 80s research isn't really "modern" like sure it isn't ancient but its hardly state of the art.
 
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Wow, beautiful! Not too filled, not too empty.

It makes me wonder though, is there any mechanism for turning a "owned" province back into an "uncontrolled" grey province? With such a feature, tied to a late game "crisis" of European incursions, one might prevent a "fully settled" / "uncolonizable" Africa, while still allowing a potential African power to grow in a fun pace early and mid game.
 
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Wow, beautiful! Not too filled, not too empty.

It makes me wonder though, is there any mechanism for turning a "owned" province back into an "uncontrolled" grey province? With such a feature, tied to a late game "crisis" of European incursions, one might prevent a "fully settled" / "uncolonizable" Africa, while still allowing a potential African power to grow in a fun pace early and mid game.
Are you thinking of North America?
 
Unrelated to Mossi, like others have said there are many anachronistic states in this area too, Gwiriko, Kong, Dagbon etc. which should not exist in 1337.
I think dagbon might be fine, there seem to be different estimates as to its founding and the mythological founder is the father of the founders of the mossi kingdoms.

Do you have any idea what should be done with the lands of these countries if we were to get rid of them? Somebody suggested giving gwiriko to Ouagadougou. I've also heard that the gwiriko area maybe were Malian vassals at one point.
 
I know Berkeley is a joke nowadays, but you haven't even seen the study in question. Don't just jump like that.
Fair enough, I hold no opinion about the population density of Yorubaland. It is possible this study is accurate but I don't give much value to Berkeley as a sources on principle.
 
As usual, take into account that both the 3D art and the UI are still WIP:
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Can you add a small icon or notifier that lets the player know who is a historical character? In Victoria 3 for example, historical characters have a green portrait instead of a blue one. Surely there will be some historical characters popping up via events (whether as potential leaders, advisors, etc.) throughout the game right?
 
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this looks nice but how much of this is actually based on historical attestation?
On my map of states and tribes, I mostly added tribes. They do not leave behind direct historical evidence. That's why I took indirect information. I can give you a source for each tribe. Basically, these are old maps where the states are drawn with a large blot, and in the center of the blot is the capital with the name of which does not exist (they are transcribed for Europeans, but after a long time African languages and European languages have been distorted, so they only vaguely resemble the modern names of provinces or regions). How historical is this information? As much as the island of California, the Pan-Australian River, Hyperborea and green Antarctica exist.

The main source for my map was the map of the continents of the world, made in the Russian Empire around the middle of the 18th century. At this time, a lot of black subjects of the crown really appeared in Russia (Although it is insulting to call them black, since that was the name of the poorest and dirtiest peasants). But official history suggests that the first explorations of Africa began a century later in 1848. This discrepancy is not explained in any way. And how much of this information can be considered historical?


This map was included in the "Russian Atlas of 1745", but the maps of the continents were made separately and were not originally included in this atlas, and the data in it are considered "inaccurate".

http://www.rezanov.krasu.ru/epoch/atlas.php

Personally, I would rate the historicity of my tribal map like this:
* South-east (countries of the Benin hegemony), Yoruba, as previously indicated, should refer to Ife, and a couple of places are the name of people, not the state - 70%;
* the northeast is more easterly (the more central and eastern countries of the future Sokoto caliphate and its eastern neighbors), а couple of seats remained empty, me had to look to fill in the gaps - 70%;
* the northeast is more northerly (the more northern countries of the future Sokoto caliphate and its northern neighbors) are very small tribes, I took several large ones and expanded them, and filled the empty space with Tuaregs - 50%
* the northernmost (the peoples of the desert oases), the Air should capture Tibada, otherwise everything is on the Russian map - 85%;
* northwest (countries inside Mali), every fragment of the empire tried to revive the empire, there were many wars and the territories of the states intersected, so this is more a designation of regions than countries - 35%;
* the southwest (the entire coast to Akan and Kong) are decentralized tribes of the size of 1 province under the rule of a certain tribal kingdom, therefore they are expanded to the region and the largest tribes are added to them - 20%;
* the center-south - Akan was not initially unified, like Dagbone, the rest of the selected tribes appeared at some point in time, and then crumbled into smaller ones, and they remained like this until the arrival of Europeans, so I don't know, let it be 50%;
* the center (mainly the tribes of the future upper Volta or Burkina Faso) is the least known region to me, highly decentralized, but there were very important city-kingdoms, and there were many of them, here I had to move countries, if you look at them as blots, then they are in the right position relative to each other I have not checked how far they are from their historical places yet, because of the peculiarities of Russian and Spanish transcription, it is difficult to find the real place of these kingdoms, so 10%.

As a result, on average, the map is 48.75% historical in my estimation. And this is 48.75% more than the Seversk culture in the Russian region.

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