Tinto Maps #4 Poland, Ruthenia, Baltic Feedback

[musMiro]

Shouldn't the Gedinimid dynasty name be localized to Lithuanian (like the rest of the dynastic names)?

I think it is too complicated, due to Lithuanian grammar... Because singular is Gediminaitis and plural is Gediminaičiai. whichever you chose it will look weird either near ruler or in map list. Also Gediminas still rules at the start of this game in 1337. The dynasty is called after this name. They had no surnames those days, but his name is used to recognize the dynasty by historians (the same with Jagiellon(Jogaila), it is his name, but it is used to mark his dynasty..) So i don't know how will they display Lithuanian ruler ? Like Gediminas Gediminid? Which is total nonsense, because that dynasty/surname makes sense only for his children as it is based on his name. But i have no better option to suggest. Unless they can differentiate (which i doubt), like. ruler is Algirdas Gediminaitis, but dynasty is Gediminaičiai (or even it should be called Gediminaičių). So because of all these complications Gediminid looks not that bad.
Edit: Just found out that Gediminid is Latin version, so yeah, unless someone get better solution it is fine.

 

[Polesie Admiral]

Old Ruthenian

Slavic endings are "vich" Rurikovich,Gediminovich. it's an English ending

 

[Perkunvilkis]

I really want to thank the developers in listening to feedback. Adding some important historic locations to Lithuania, sudovian culture, many more goods to exploit. Thank you for this it will make the game much better to enjoy in this region. I am so happy.

There are some nitpicks though. There are some grammar mistakes like sometimes not using ė with a dot, but using a very simialiar polish symbol on top of the e that is more like a slash. Also some location names are not in lithuanian even where lithuanian culture is dominant. Or having polish location names in sudovian land. If it would be usefull I could help with that in a future post.

 

[musMiro]

Slavic endings are "vich" Rurikovich,Gedinimovich. it's an English ending

Paradox use Gediminid ending, not the ones you mentioned. And Gediminid is Latin.

 

[matfer13]

I don't know if it's a shortened name or not but in case it's not the full name of Ösel should be the Bishopric of Ösel-Wiek

 

[Polesie Admiral]

Because singular is Gediminaitis and plural is Gediminaičiai

ok i checked what eu4 and ck2 do with the Gediminid name and they go with the "Gediminaitis" singular, so how about that as a solution?

 

[musMiro]

ok i checked what eu4 and ck2 do with the Gediminid name and they go with the "Gediminaitis" singular, so how about that as a solution?

Fine for me.

 

[Linbot#6018]

I think a good rule of thumb is that if you have to seek expert help on grammatical conjugations for your localisation, it is time to go back. Please just use the English form of the dynasties, spare the anglophones from alien words and the non-anglophones from having to look at paradox present a mockery of their own language to them.

 

[Gdach]

Don't know if it was mentioned, but shouldn't Lithuania and Muscow have an alience?

"He also secured an alliance with the nascent Grand Duchy of Moscow by marrying his daughter, Anastasia, to the grand duke Simeon.

However, Gediminas offsetted the influence of Muscovy in northern Russia, and assisted the republic of Pskov, which acknowledged his overlordship, to break away from Great Novgorod."

But that also happened after 1337 so technically Moscow still should be an ally.

"In 1341 the city recognized overlordship of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, in 1347 it switched allegiance to the Novgorod Republic,"

 

[Polesie Admiral]

"He also secured an alliance with the nascent Grand Duchy of Moscow by marrying his daughter, Anastasia, to the grand duke Simeon.

from the Aigusta Anastasia page on wikipedia:
"The marriage had great potential because Lithuania and Moscow were fierce rivals for supremacy in Ruthenia, but conflicts broke out again in 1335, just two years after the marriage" sooo there was a skirmish or so in 1335 and we dont know if countries allied can go to war

 

[cz1h]

Is there no plan to add in the exclaves of Courland and Osel?

 

[purplephoton]

 

[Polesie Admiral]

View attachment 1184995

Meanwhile belarusian naming

 

[matfer13]

The Teutonic order full name should be "State of the Teutonic Order" since that was the official name of the full country(including the Livonian bit) to differentiate from the organization itself(the Teutonic order), also this was their official flag in 1337:

I've tried to look online and I've no idea where the Eu4 flag comes from, although badass there's nothing that says that was their official flag outside the battlefield and even there it was one of many war flags.

 

[ErnestvonLauenb]

The Teutonic order full name should be "State of the Teutonic Order" since that was the official name of the full country(including the Livonian bit) to differentiate from the organization itself(the Teutonic order), also this was their official flag in 1337:View attachment 1185043
I've tried to look online and I've no idea where the Eu4 flag comes from, although badass there's nothing that says that was their official flag outside the battlefield and even there it was one of many war flags.

What is the source of "official flag" in 1337?

The Best source for Teutonic flag we have is Banderia Prutenorum - contemporary description of flags used during battle of Grunwald/Tannenberg in 1410.
This is great flag of Grand Master:

Banderia Prutenorum – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia

pl.wikipedia.org

 

[matfer13]

What is the source of "official flag" in 1337?

The Best source for Teutonic flag we have is Banderia Prutenorum - contemporary description of flags used during battle of Grunwald/Tannenberg in 1410.
This is great flag of Grand Master:

Banderia Prutenorum – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia

pl.wikipedia.org

I assume you can understand this since you sent me the link, I've trnslated it and it says that the flag you talk about is the standard of the grandmaster while the one at the bottom is the flag of the order,

Look it says it even in the english wikipedia, also these banners are from the battle of Gruwald in 1410 more than 70 years later from the beginning of the game, the one I proposed is the "standardized flag"(since for nao thay are using that in the game) version of the teuton coat of arms.
P.s. thanks for tellin me where the grandmaster flag was from!

 

[Monty is staring at me]

By the way, does anybody know why there are amber provinces in deeply landlocked provinces in Belarus and Ukraine?

EDIT: and in Transylvania too apparently?

 

[Kaizer Prussian]

By the way, does anybody know why there are amber provinces in deeply landlocked provinces in Belarus and Ukraine?

EDIT: and in Transylvania too apparently?

Rovno amber - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In Ukraine to this day this territories are famous for Amber mines

 

[Polesie Admiral]

we've divided Galicia-Volhynia into two separate principalities, which are in a personal union under the same ruler, Yuri II

considering so far we know unions are just defensive alliances, why have you changed GV from a unitary state to a union considering the Galicians had control in Volhynia?

 

[Monty is staring at me]

Rovno amber - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In Ukraine to this day this territories are famous for Amber mines

Thanks, I didn't know about this.

However, I'm not sure if it still justifies the RGOs, as from what I can tell, amber mining in this region on a large scale and for the purposes of jewelery/ trade only started recently (this would possibly explain why I've never heard of Rovno amber).

I can't find any examples of historic exploitation of these amber sources for trade, so unless I'm missing something, I still find it rather weird that they set them up as trade goods/RGOs in these locations.