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I really want to thank the developers in listening to feedback. Adding some important historic locations to Lithuania, sudovian culture, many more goods to exploit. Thank you for this it will make the game much better to enjoy in this region. I am so happy.

There are some nitpicks though. There are some grammar mistakes like sometimes not using ė with a dot, but using a very simialiar polish symbol on top of the e that is more like a slash. Also some location names are not in lithuanian even where lithuanian culture is dominant. Or having polish location names in sudovian land. If it would be usefull I could help with that in a future post.
 
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I think a good rule of thumb is that if you have to seek expert help on grammatical conjugations for your localisation, it is time to go back. Please just use the English form of the dynasties, spare the anglophones from alien words and the non-anglophones from having to look at paradox present a mockery of their own language to them.
 
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Don't know if it was mentioned, but shouldn't Lithuania and Muscow have an alience?

"He also secured an alliance with the nascent Grand Duchy of Moscow by marrying his daughter, Anastasia, to the grand duke Simeon.

However, Gediminas offsetted the influence of Muscovy in northern Russia, and assisted the republic of Pskov, which acknowledged his overlordship, to break away from Great Novgorod."

But that also happened after 1337 so technically Moscow still should be an ally.

"In 1341 the city recognized overlordship of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, in 1347 it switched allegiance to the Novgorod Republic,"
 
Gdach said:
"He also secured an alliance with the nascent Grand Duchy of Moscow by marrying his daughter, Anastasia, to the grand duke Simeon.
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from the Aigusta Anastasia page on wikipedia:
"The marriage had great potential because Lithuania and Moscow were fierce rivals for supremacy in Ruthenia, but conflicts broke out again in 1335, just two years after the marriage" sooo there was a skirmish or so in 1335 and we dont know if countries allied can go to war
 
The Teutonic order full name should be "State of the Teutonic Order" since that was the official name of the full country(including the Livonian bit) to differentiate from the organization itself(the Teutonic order), also this was their official flag in 1337:
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I've tried to look online and I've no idea where the Eu4 flag comes from, although badass there's nothing that says that was their official flag outside the battlefield and even there it was one of many war flags.
 
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The Teutonic order full name should be "State of the Teutonic Order" since that was the official name of the full country(including the Livonian bit) to differentiate from the organization itself(the Teutonic order), also this was their official flag in 1337:View attachment 1185043
I've tried to look online and I've no idea where the Eu4 flag comes from, although badass there's nothing that says that was their official flag outside the battlefield and even there it was one of many war flags.
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What is the source of "official flag" in 1337?

The Best source for Teutonic flag we have is Banderia Prutenorum - contemporary description of flags used during battle of Grunwald/Tannenberg in 1410.
This is great flag of Grand Master:

Banderia Prutenorum – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia

pl.wikipedia.org
 
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ErnestvonLauenb said:
What is the source of "official flag" in 1337?

The Best source for Teutonic flag we have is Banderia Prutenorum - contemporary description of flags used during battle of Grunwald/Tannenberg in 1410.
This is great flag of Grand Master:

Banderia Prutenorum – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia

pl.wikipedia.org
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I assume you can understand this since you sent me the link, I've trnslated it and it says that the flag you talk about is the standard of the grandmaster while the one at the bottom is the flag of the order,
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Look it says it even in the english wikipedia, also these banners are from the battle of Gruwald in 1410 more than 70 years later from the beginning of the game, the one I proposed is the "standardized flag"(since for nao thay are using that in the game) version of the teuton coat of arms.
P.s. thanks for tellin me where the grandmaster flag was from!
 
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Kaizer Prussian said:

Rovno amber - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In Ukraine to this day this territories are famous for Amber mines
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Thanks, I didn't know about this.

However, I'm not sure if it still justifies the RGOs, as from what I can tell, amber mining in this region on a large scale and for the purposes of jewelery/ trade only started recently (this would possibly explain why I've never heard of Rovno amber).

I can't find any examples of historic exploitation of these amber sources for trade, so unless I'm missing something, I still find it rather weird that they set them up as trade goods/RGOs in these locations.
 
Monty is staring at me said:
Thanks, I didn't know about this.

However, I'm not sure if it still justifies the RGOs, as from what I can tell, amber mining in this region on a large scale and for the purposes of jewelery/ trade only started recently (this would possibly explain why I've never heard of Rovno amber).

I can't find any examples of historic exploitation of these amber sources for trade, so unless I'm missing something, I still find it rather weird that they set them up as trade goods/RGOs in these locations.
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Another quotation

Rivne amber was formed about 40 million years ago in the Eocene, during the period when the territory of modern Ukraine was an island, and the territories of neighboring Belarus and Poland were a sea. It has been used by humans since the Paleolithic and Neolithic times (archaeologists in Ukrainian Polissia discovered jewelry and amulets with inclusions of Rivne amber)
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Amber need a lot of time to make so it was around practically always. Some areas of Pollissia is not cool for.. anything because of swamp, so naturally so handicraft "hunting" for amber was recorded during all timeframe
 
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Kaizer Prussian said:
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Amber need a lot of time to make so it was around practically always. Some areas of Pollissia is not cool for.. anything because of swamp, so naturally so handicraft "hunting" for amber was recorded during all timeframe
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I'm not contesting that the amber existed in this time frame, I'm just saying it seems to not have been exploited systematically or at scale, or that it was known as a source of traded amber, aside from some prehistoric use (unlike Baltic amber, which was very much exploited, and we have mountains of historical examples, from trade routes to period jewelry, that Baltic amber was an exploited good in the time frame of the game).

I don't see much sense in a trade good that wasn't mined (just maybe opportunistically collected by locals) until well into present day.

But hey, that's just my opinion, I guess the devs did research on this.
 
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