I think what the dude is saying is that the eastern Romania and southern Ukraine, which on the map are represented as "-10% wheat production" are filled with mollisols, which are much more fertile than most places in Europe.
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Those places are also almost always of great need for irrigation since summers get really dry and hot, while winters go regularly below freezing. Neither of those are ideal for cereal farming.
imo they should just rename Farmlands to Mollisols or something to represent top-quality farming soils.
Secondly are people willfully ignore what the Devs have said that there will be some kind of precipitation and weather mechanics (monsoons,...) which should smooth out any transitional border cases or regional uniqueness?
Farmland terrain doesn't represent soil quality, it's supposed to represent actual farmland. And soil fertility isn't a vegetation type anyway.
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I know, that's why I suggested it as I did.
The approach is different to that of, for example, EU4. So there is technically no limit.
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But you probably have some rough figures that are sufficient for you and not too little or too much? In terms of content and not what is technically possible.
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Thank you for the answer! But it would be a bit strange if the french culture had, I don't know, 200 lowborn family names, while the hungarians had 10 000. So could you tell an avarage number we should strive for?
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I'd say go with the 100 most common and add some notable but uncommon ones
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Would you say a 100 for the nobility too? I have 538 for that currently.
Still closer to 100 than the 10 thosand lowborn names tho.
Maybe 1000 lowborn and 500 nobility?
The family names referencing job/occupation is alone 1500 names, and an overwhelming portion of that is understandable in modern hungarian.
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hmmm think more practically and pragmatically.
PC doesnt let you meet or interact with that many characters. And most of those will be limited to aristocratic pedigree. Maybe a few artists and occasinal banker or ya priest with gold but dirt behind their fingernails is all you can expect from lower estates. So we do not really neeed that many lowborn names...
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We have a separate list for artists already lmao.
But yes, worth considering. This list would be more suited for ck3, but they don't give names to lowborns, so I will be only able to suggest family names there (in the far future)
What would you say number wise? 100? Something else?
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Yeah, that should be more then enough. If anything I would put more care so each ethimologigal subgroup of family names is covered .... aka few most respectibl professsion like Smiths and Bishop(well I can give you examples from Slovene, if it's the more or less the same in HUngarian or which are the best pick for it will be up to you (Kovač, Škof), after topograhypick feutures aroud their homes/where they live as in Podhribar (Underhill) or Hostnik (Forest-er) from region or nationality/country they originate Korošec (Carinthian) or Čeh (Czechk) for each dialets etc etc
Hungarian nobility family name list:
Aba, Ákos, Almásy, Andrássy, Apaffy, Apponyi, Abaffy, Azary, Athyia, Asguthy, Ártándy, Ártánházy, Arbonás, Apród, Apay, Ajkay, Akly, Alaghy, Alapy, Andrásfalvy, Ányos, Azary, Athyia, Aranyady, Arany, Arady, Balassa, Balogh, Bánffy, Batthyány, Báthory, Bercsényi, Berényi, Bethlen, Bocskai, Both, Bornemissza, Borsa, Budai-Nagy, Brády, Bagossy, Bánó, Bartakovics, Buzinkay, Beniczky, Barcsay, Bozó, Berzsenyi, Chapy, Chazary, Cheh, Csáholyi, Chorba, Chomory, Csanád, Csák, Császár, Csáky, Csesznegi, Cseszneky, Cziráky, Chatary, Chirke, Ched, Chekfewi, Chernavoday, Chernel, Chetneky, Czobor, Csiba, Csicsery, Csúzy, Deák, Derencsényi, Dessewffy, Diószegi, Dobó, Dóczy, Dőry, Drágffy, Drugeth, Dózsa, Décsey, Deméndi, Dolhay, Darvas, Dedinszky, Dobokay, Domaniky, Dolhay, Dobay, Daróczy, Dugovics, Egerváry, Erdődy, Eszterházy, Ebeczky, Ebergényi, Edelényi, Egerváry, Egressy, Egry, Egyed, Elderbach, Elefánty, Ember, Endrédy, Enesey, Enyeghy, Eödönffy, Eördögh, Emődy, Eösze, Eötvös, Eöszedfalvy, Eperjesy, Erdélyi, Ékesházy, Ernyey, Etthre, Festetics, Forgách, Frangepán, Földváry, Fáy, Fancsikay, Fánchy, Faragó, Farkas, Faber, Fayszi, Fazekas, Fegyverneky, Féja, Fejérdy, Fejéregyházy, Fejérváry, Fejes, Fekete, Feledy, Félegyházy, Ferenczy, Fiáth, Ficza, Filep, Frichi, Filpessy, Fodor, Fráter, Forgolány, Forró, Forster, Fornószeghy, Garai, Garay, Geréb, Gaál, Gachály, Gáfor, Galgóczy, Gallik, Giletffy, Gorzó, Gombos, Gerliczy, Görgey, Gachály, Gáfor, Gálszéchy, Gáltövi, Gancs, Garázda, Gathály, Gathalóczi, Géczy, Gedei, Gembárdy, Gerendy, Gámán, Gyulay, Győri, Gyulaffy, Gyárman, Gyerőffy, Gyürky, Gyurma, Hadik, Hédervári, Hindy, Hontpázmány, Hugonnai, Hunyadi, Hidvéghy, Hodossy, Helbényi, Halácsy, Hindy, Hedry, Imreffy, Ibrányi, Iffju, Iklódy, Ilkay, Illés, Illyés Ilméri, Ilosvay, Ilsvay, Ibrányi, Iffju, Iklódy, Ilkay, Illyésházy, Illyevölgyi, Ilméri, Ilsvay, Imreghy, Irinyi, Iratossy, Isépy, Istvánffy, Ivánka, Izbugyay, Illyevölgyi, Ják, Jeszenszky, Jábróczky, Jakabházy, Jákóffy, Jakusith, Jakchy, Jánky, Jánoky, Jánosy, Járay, Jármi, Jászay, Jeney, Jersey Bud, Jókúthy, Joób, Jekelfalussy, Kállay, Kálnoky, Kán, Kaplon, Károlyi, Kemény, Keszy, Kinizsi, Koháry, Kőszegi, Kún, Keszy, Kükemezey, Kálnássy, Keserű, Kenderessy, Konkoly Thege, Komlóssy, Kórossy, Koncsek, Kabos, Kondé, Kubínyi, Kosztolányi, Losonci, Lábathlani, Labodás, Labsánszky, Laczay, Laczkfi, Laczkovics, Laczo, Ladivér, Lánczy, Lándor, Láng, Lapispataky, Láposi, Laposrévy, Lápy, Laszkáry, László, Lasztaméry, Lasztóczy, Latkóczy, Lázár, Lazonyi, Lehótzky, Ledniczky, Legéndy, Lengyel, Lépes, Liblyói, Lieszkovszky, Lipcsey, Lipovniczky, Luka, Magyary, Majláth, Marczalthői, Maróthy, Medgyessy, Medveczky, Mézes, Mikes, Monoky, Mókus, Mara, Mocsáry, Miletz, Mikola, Mokcsay, Macskási, Mikolay, Melléthey, Mérey, Merse, Nádasdy, Nábrády, Nagy, Nadányi, Nádudvary, Nagyszájú, Nagyszabó, Nagymártonyi, Naményi, Nándory, Naprágyi, Nász, Nathafalussy, Nátkay, Nedeczky, Nemák, Némay, Nemes, Nenkey, Nozdroviczky, Noszlopy, Noptsa, Nimniczky, Niczky, Névery, Nemák, Niczky, Nyakazó, Nyáry, Nyujtódy, Nyomárkay, Nyeregjártó, Nyéky, Nyalabér, Nyikos, Orczy, Oroszy, Ormós, Orosz, Ostffy, Ocskay, Ocsvai, Okolicsányi, Olcsváry, Olgyay, Ollé, Ombozy, Omode, Orbonás, Ordódy, Oroványi, Orovnicz, Országh, Osztopáni, Ováry, Ozoray, Óhídy, Ördög, Pálffy, Pálóci, Pázmány, Perényi, Podmaniczky, Pomothy, Potyondy, Posár, Prileszky, Rákóczi, Rátót, Rhédey, Révay, Rónai, Rozgonyi, Recsky, Rajcsányi, Roskoványi, Radvánszky, Raksányi, Sághi, Sárdy, Sárossy, Sadányi, Sáfár, Saigó, Sajgó, Salamon, Salánki, Salomváry, Sámbokréty, Sámboky, Sámé, Sándor, Sándorházy, Sárfőy, Sarkadi, Sárkány, Sárközy, Sarkudy, Sárfi, Sóry, Suky, Siraky, Sombory, Simonyi, Soldos, Soóky, Sulyok, Szakoly, Szalók, Szapolyai, Szécsi, Széchényi, Széchy, Székely, Szepessy, Szentgyörgyi, Szemere, Szilágyi, Szerecseny, Szobonya, Szelestey, Sztáray, Szüllő, Szokoly, Szádeczky-Kardoss, Teleki, Thelegdy, Tisza, Torma, Tököly, Thurzó, Toldi, Theszéry, Toroczkay, Thuránszky, Tholdalagi, Tarnóczy, Tarcsányi, Turcsányi, Táby, Tahy, Tajnay, Tallián, Tamásfalvy, Tarcsányi, Tárczay, Tárkányi, Tatár, Tatikai, Temesközi, Telekessy, Teke, Tegzes, Terenney, Ternyey, Tersztyánszky, Tétényi, Tetétleni, Thákossy, Tyukodi, Tyifor, Usz, Uza, Ubul, Ugray, Ujfalussy, Ujhelyi, Ujlaky, Ujváry, Uky, Upory, Uray, Újlaki, Ujhelyi, Ürményi, Vay, Verbőczy, Viczay, Vizaknay, Vincze, Viszocsányi, Vitéz, Végh, Ványi, Vidos, Vasdinnyey, Verebély, Vachott, Vaday, Vághy, Valkai, Vancsay, Vanyarczi, Várady, Várallyay, Varbóky, Wass, Witkay, Widffy, Wárday, Zichy, Zrínyi, Zorkóczy, Zamaróczy, Zoltán, Zarka, Zerdahelyi, Zathureczky, Zsuffa, Zemerédy, Zombory,
Székely nobility family names list:
Antos, Andrásy, Apor, Aranka, Arapataki, Altorjay, Bálfi, Balia, Barra, Bartha, Becz, Bede, Benkő, Bicsak, Biró, Bodó, Bodoki, Bornemisza, Boros, Borsay, Botos, Botz, Bögözy, Böjte, Bölöni, Buzás, Czakó, Cserey, Csikay, Czirék, Csiky, Csomortány, Csomós, Csáky, Daczó, Dániel, Darótzi, Darvas, Deák, Demjén, Dobai, Dózsa, Dúdór, Ember, Endes, Farkas, Felszeghy, Fiátfalvi, Fosztó, Fina, Fülöp, Gál, Galambfalvi, Gedő, Gidófalvy, Gurzó, Gyalakuty, Gálfalvi, Gyertyánosi, Gyujtó, Gálffy, Garda, Halmágyi, Henter, Hodor, Imecs, Istvánffy, Jakab, Jankó, Joó, Kamuthy, Kálnoky, Kászoni, Kászonyi, Kékkövi, Keresztes, Kóródi, Kósa, Kozma, Köles, Kölönte, Költhő, Kővári, Kun, Ladó, Latz, Latzók, Lemhényi, Lengyelfalvi, Literati, Lohodi, Maksai, Máthé, Matkó, Mihályfy, Mikes, Mikó, Móricz, Nádasy, Nemes, Nyujtódy, Orbók, Orbai, Orbán, Osváth, Pákei, Pataki, Pattantyús, Péterffy, Pókai, Rákosi, Reznek, Sala, Sándor, Sebestyén, Sényői, Simény, Simó, Sylvester, Szabó, Szél, Szemere, Székely, Szentpál, Szárhegyi, Székesfejérvári, Szentandrássy, Szentes, Szentgyörgyi, Szentiványi, Szentkirályi, Szereday, Szilágyi, Szotyory, Sánta, Sikó, Tarnóczy, Tatár, Tegző, Thamásy, Tibáld, Tolnay, Ugron, Ülkei, Vadadi, Vásárhelyi, Veres, Valadi, Zebed, Zsuky.
Aba, Ákos, Almásy, Andrássy, Apaffy, Apponyi, Abaffy, Azary, Athyia, Asguthy, Ártándy, Ártánházy, Arbonás, Apród, Apay, Ajkay, Akly, Alaghy, Alapy, Andrásfalvy, Ányos, Azary, Athyia, Aranyady, Arany, Arady, Balassa, Balogh, Bánffy, Batthyány, Báthory, Bercsényi, Berényi, Bethlen, Bocskai, Both, Bornemissza, Borsa, Budai-Nagy, Brády, Bagossy, Bánó, Bartakovics, Buzinkay, Beniczky, Barcsay, Bozó, Berzsenyi, Chapy, Chazary, Cheh, Csáholyi, Chorba, Chomory, Csanád, Csák, Császár, Csáky, Csesznegi, Cseszneky, Cziráky, Chatary, Chirke, Ched, Chekfewi, Chernavoday, Chernel, Chetneky, Czobor, Csiba, Csicsery, Csúzy, Deák, Derencsényi, Dessewffy, Diószegi, Dobó, Dóczy, Dőry, Drágffy, Drugeth, Dózsa, Décsey, Deméndi, Dolhay, Darvas, Dedinszky, Dobokay, Domaniky, Dolhay, Dobay, Daróczy, Dugovics, Egerváry, Erdődy, Eszterházy, Ebeczky, Ebergényi, Edelényi, Egerváry, Egressy, Egry, Egyed, Elderbach, Elefánty, Ember, Endrédy, Enesey, Enyeghy, Eödönffy, Eördögh, Emődy, Eösze, Eötvös, Eöszedfalvy, Eperjesy, Erdélyi, Ékesházy, Ernyey, Etthre, Festetics, Forgách, Frangepán, Földváry, Fáy, Fancsikay, Fánchy, Faragó, Farkas, Faber, Fayszi, Fazekas, Fegyverneky, Féja, Fejérdy, Fejéregyházy, Fejérváry, Fejes, Fekete, Feledy, Félegyházy, Ferenczy, Fiáth, Ficza, Filep, Frichi, Filpessy, Fodor, Fráter, Forgolány, Forró, Forster, Fornószeghy, Garai, Garay, Geréb, Gaál, Gachály, Gáfor, Galgóczy, Gallik, Giletffy, Gorzó, Gombos, Gerliczy, Görgey, Gachály, Gáfor, Gálszéchy, Gáltövi, Gancs, Garázda, Gathály, Gathalóczi, Géczy, Gedei, Gembárdy, Gerendy, Gámán, Gyulay, Győri, Gyulaffy, Gyárman, Gyerőffy, Gyürky, Gyurma, Hadik, Hédervári, Hindy, Hontpázmány, Hugonnai, Hunyadi, Hidvéghy, Hodossy, Helbényi, Halácsy, Hindy, Hedry, Imreffy, Ibrányi, Iffju, Iklódy, Ilkay, Illés, Illyés Ilméri, Ilosvay, Ilsvay, Ibrányi, Iffju, Iklódy, Ilkay, Illyésházy, Illyevölgyi, Ilméri, Ilsvay, Imreghy, Irinyi, Iratossy, Isépy, Istvánffy, Ivánka, Izbugyay, Illyevölgyi, Ják, Jeszenszky, Jábróczky, Jakabházy, Jákóffy, Jakusith, Jakchy, Jánky, Jánoky, Jánosy, Járay, Jármi, Jászay, Jeney, Jersey Bud, Jókúthy, Joób, Jekelfalussy, Kállay, Kálnoky, Kán, Kaplon, Károlyi, Kemény, Keszy, Kinizsi, Koháry, Kőszegi, Kún, Keszy, Kükemezey, Kálnássy, Keserű, Kenderessy, Konkoly Thege, Komlóssy, Kórossy, Koncsek, Kabos, Kondé, Kubínyi, Kosztolányi, Losonci, Lábathlani, Labodás, Labsánszky, Laczay, Laczkfi, Laczkovics, Laczo, Ladivér, Lánczy, Lándor, Láng, Lapispataky, Láposi, Laposrévy, Lápy, Laszkáry, László, Lasztaméry, Lasztóczy, Latkóczy, Lázár, Lazonyi, Lehótzky, Ledniczky, Legéndy, Lengyel, Lépes, Liblyói, Lieszkovszky, Lipcsey, Lipovniczky, Luka, Magyary, Majláth, Marczalthői, Maróthy, Medgyessy, Medveczky, Mézes, Mikes, Monoky, Mókus, Mara, Mocsáry, Miletz, Mikola, Mokcsay, Macskási, Mikolay, Melléthey, Mérey, Merse, Nádasdy, Nábrády, Nagy, Nadányi, Nádudvary, Nagyszájú, Nagyszabó, Nagymártonyi, Naményi, Nándory, Naprágyi, Nász, Nathafalussy, Nátkay, Nedeczky, Nemák, Némay, Nemes, Nenkey, Nozdroviczky, Noszlopy, Noptsa, Nimniczky, Niczky, Névery, Nemák, Niczky, Nyakazó, Nyáry, Nyujtódy, Nyomárkay, Nyeregjártó, Nyéky, Nyalabér, Nyikos, Orczy, Oroszy, Ormós, Orosz, Ostffy, Ocskay, Ocsvai, Okolicsányi, Olcsváry, Olgyay, Ollé, Ombozy, Omode, Orbonás, Ordódy, Oroványi, Orovnicz, Országh, Osztopáni, Ováry, Ozoray, Óhídy, Ördög, Pálffy, Pálóci, Pázmány, Perényi, Podmaniczky, Pomothy, Potyondy, Posár, Prileszky, Rákóczi, Rátót, Rhédey, Révay, Rónai, Rozgonyi, Recsky, Rajcsányi, Roskoványi, Radvánszky, Raksányi, Sághi, Sárdy, Sárossy, Sadányi, Sáfár, Saigó, Sajgó, Salamon, Salánki, Salomváry, Sámbokréty, Sámboky, Sámé, Sándor, Sándorházy, Sárfőy, Sarkadi, Sárkány, Sárközy, Sarkudy, Sárfi, Sóry, Suky, Siraky, Sombory, Simonyi, Soldos, Soóky, Sulyok, Szakoly, Szalók, Szapolyai, Szécsi, Széchényi, Széchy, Székely, Szepessy, Szentgyörgyi, Szemere, Szilágyi, Szerecseny, Szobonya, Szelestey, Sztáray, Szüllő, Szokoly, Szádeczky-Kardoss, Teleki, Thelegdy, Tisza, Torma, Tököly, Thurzó, Toldi, Theszéry, Toroczkay, Thuránszky, Tholdalagi, Tarnóczy, Tarcsányi, Turcsányi, Táby, Tahy, Tajnay, Tallián, Tamásfalvy, Tarcsányi, Tárczay, Tárkányi, Tatár, Tatikai, Temesközi, Telekessy, Teke, Tegzes, Terenney, Ternyey, Tersztyánszky, Tétényi, Tetétleni, Thákossy, Tyukodi, Tyifor, Usz, Uza, Ubul, Ugray, Ujfalussy, Ujhelyi, Ujlaky, Ujváry, Uky, Upory, Uray, Újlaki, Ujhelyi, Ürményi, Vay, Verbőczy, Viczay, Vizaknay, Vincze, Viszocsányi, Vitéz, Végh, Ványi, Vidos, Vasdinnyey, Verebély, Vachott, Vaday, Vághy, Valkai, Vancsay, Vanyarczi, Várady, Várallyay, Varbóky, Wass, Witkay, Widffy, Wárday, Zichy, Zrínyi, Zorkóczy, Zamaróczy, Zoltán, Zarka, Zerdahelyi, Zathureczky, Zsuffa, Zemerédy, Zombory,
Székely nobility family names list:
Antos, Andrásy, Apor, Aranka, Arapataki, Altorjay, Bálfi, Balia, Barra, Bartha, Becz, Bede, Benkő, Bicsak, Biró, Bodó, Bodoki, Bornemisza, Boros, Borsay, Botos, Botz, Bögözy, Böjte, Bölöni, Buzás, Czakó, Cserey, Csikay, Czirék, Csiky, Csomortány, Csomós, Csáky, Daczó, Dániel, Darótzi, Darvas, Deák, Demjén, Dobai, Dózsa, Dúdór, Ember, Endes, Farkas, Felszeghy, Fiátfalvi, Fosztó, Fina, Fülöp, Gál, Galambfalvi, Gedő, Gidófalvy, Gurzó, Gyalakuty, Gálfalvi, Gyertyánosi, Gyujtó, Gálffy, Garda, Halmágyi, Henter, Hodor, Imecs, Istvánffy, Jakab, Jankó, Joó, Kamuthy, Kálnoky, Kászoni, Kászonyi, Kékkövi, Keresztes, Kóródi, Kósa, Kozma, Köles, Kölönte, Költhő, Kővári, Kun, Ladó, Latz, Latzók, Lemhényi, Lengyelfalvi, Literati, Lohodi, Maksai, Máthé, Matkó, Mihályfy, Mikes, Mikó, Móricz, Nádasy, Nemes, Nyujtódy, Orbók, Orbai, Orbán, Osváth, Pákei, Pataki, Pattantyús, Péterffy, Pókai, Rákosi, Reznek, Sala, Sándor, Sebestyén, Sényői, Simény, Simó, Sylvester, Szabó, Szél, Szemere, Székely, Szentpál, Szárhegyi, Székesfejérvári, Szentandrássy, Szentes, Szentgyörgyi, Szentiványi, Szentkirályi, Szereday, Szilágyi, Szotyory, Sánta, Sikó, Tarnóczy, Tatár, Tegző, Thamásy, Tibáld, Tolnay, Ugron, Ülkei, Vadadi, Vásárhelyi, Veres, Valadi, Zebed, Zsuky.
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Yes, but the overwhelming majority of those are extremely rare, fringe names. Look through the list of your friends on, for example, Facebook; the vast majority of people will share a small fraction of the names, and you will see many repetitions of the most common names.
If you have 10000 names, you will commonly see only about 100 them maximum and 9900 maybe only once, or never. I don't think any more than like 200 names in toto (noble and lowborn names combined) makes sense, it is a waste of time, space and resources, and also unnecessary and I don't think it is that beneficial to the gameplay experience, if not outright detrimental.
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This is true, but this wasn't the case in the middle ages. The name "concentration" only started later.
I read a study about this, I will try to look it up.
But even if I am right, like you said it might be detrimental to gameplay to be historically accurate.
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So, regarding Moldavia.
I found this Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_of_Moldavia
This sums up the events and may help the devs with the "spawn Moldavia" event or what they wish to implement.
Perhaps in 1340s Hungary could get an event war goal on the Golden Horde, should they win Moldavia is founded as a vassal state. South of Wallachia Minor (see the text with Wallachia Minor).
And then Moldavia could get a revolt where if Bogdan wins Moldavia becomes independent.
It says etc so there's more. But from the given list, the political formations:
1. Tari are here:
Vrancea:
Campulung Moldovenesc:
Teghici:
Sipenit:
2. Voievodships are here:
Onut:
Hansca:
Suceava:
Barlad:
And the toponymic study previously mentioned was also found here, which does put things in perspective:
Page 1: "In this study, some historiographical aspects of the demographic situation east of the Carpathians in the 14th century are examined. Special attention is given to Soviet historiography, which, in its attempt to demonstrate the formation of the 'Moldovan people', used methods that cannot by any means be considered scientific. Despite this reality, some contemporary authors use the results of research by Soviet-era historians to "argue" the existence of the 'Moldovan people'."
It seems that according to L.L Polevoi who made the toponymic study that we argued for days here, believes Vlachs =/= Volochs. Vlachs are 'Romanians' while 'Volochs' are 'Moldovans' who are a Romanian-Slavic mix. The reason for this is politics because USSR wanted Romanians & Moldavians to be different people.
Page 10: "S. Suleak also invokes the study of L.L. Polevoi, dedicated to the historical geography of Moldova in the 13th-15th centuries, published in 1979. According to this study, based on oiconymic data*, it was established that the proportion of representatives of the East Slavic ethnic group in the mid-14th century reached 39.5% of the country's population, while the proportion of Eastern Romance speakers was 48.7%. The total credibility granted by S. Suleak to these figures prompted me to undertake a thorough examination of L.L. Polevoi's study to verify the accuracy of the cited numbers."
Page 11: "The author believes that after the Tatar-Mongol invasion in the Codri area, "sparsely populated by Slavs and Volochs," in the first half of the 14th century, from Lower Răut to the Lăpușna River, and further beyond the Prut, numerous settlements were established by Alanic and Slavic colonists, as well as other peoples, forming a heterogeneous population ethnically, which came from the silvosteppe regions of the northern Black Sea. This opinion is also expressed in the synthesis History of the Moldavian SSR [6, p. 45] as a consequence of the policy of the Tatar khans [32, p. 27-30]. Taking into account L.L. Polevoi's general concept, which, in the view of Mircea D. Matei and Emil I. Emandi, "shows a tendency to exaggerate the scale of population movements from Transylvania to Moldova, creating the false impression, which is actually refuted by archaeological research, of a demographic void in the territory east of the Carpathians, prior to colonization" with Volochs [7, p. 96], it is necessary to pose the question regarding the two ethnic groups mentioned above, the Slavs and the Volochs: Are they from the period before the Tatar-Mongol invasions, or did they appear here as a result of migration? — a question left unanswered by the author."
Also page 11: "The phenomenon of peasant migration from Galicia to Transcarpathia and Bukovina, starting in the 14th century, is also indicated by other Soviet historians. For example, T.V. Kosmina, referring to the Ukrainian historian V.V. Grabovetski, emphasized that, starting from the 14th century, peasants from Galicia fled to Podolia, Transcarpathia, Bukovina, and other regions, where they settled according to the right of воля (“freedom”) and founded new settlements. As a result of these significant migrations of Galician peasants, a large number of new villages appeared in the mountainous and pre-mountainous regions of the Carpathians in the 16th century [25, p. 40-41]. Thus, the Russian element in Bukovina appears and becomes predominant as a result of these migrations in the 14th-16th centuries, meaning also after the independence of the state of the Principality of Moldavia."
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Here is speaks how L.L.Polevoi did not just analyze the toponymic data in his study but made personal estimations about the number of villages in Moldaiva, with no basis in reality, that he estimated to be either Moldovan or Russian, favoring the Russian side of course.
That he defined a simple math for the number of villages: 15 hourses per village, and 5 people per house, therefore each village has about 70 people. But when it came to the Russians looking at his mathemetical answers it turns out he estimated about 110 - 130 people for Russian villages. There are other examples of bad math on L.L.Polevoi's part, whether it's done with or without intention.
On page 14: For his percentages, L.L.Polevoi was not consistent in his definition of Moldavia, sometimes he included only Dragos' Moldavia, other time all of Moldavia, other time Dragos' Moldavia + Bukovina, switching the area based on which he made his estimations whenever it was convenient. He also point out that the numbers he got as a result, show that his estimations are far different than the 70 people/village he said at the beginning of the study. On average having 75,9 Russians/village outside of Bukovina and 110-130 Russians/village inside Bukovina. L.L.Polevoi offered no basis why he made such distinctions, other than personal bias. While the average for Moldovans is lower than 70 people/villagers.
In conclusion Ion Eremia says that the examination of the results of L.L. Polevoi's investigation leads us to the conclusion that the statistical data he works with are arbitrary, and thus the results obtained are also arbitrary and do not objectively reflect the situation.
TL;DR is: not only his initial estimations are wrong because L.L. Polevoi essentially made up villages rather than only look at villages actually mentioned by sources. But his math based on those initial estimations L.L. Polevoi made up is also inconsistent.
There is also this Wallachia Minor before Dragos founded Moldavia:
The theory makes sense, given that the maps and chroniclers mention "Wallachia Minor" in a time when Moldavia didn't exist yet.
It said it owned the border of Galicia in the Suceava Area + Tara Sipenitului, so roughtly these 2 modern areas combined:
I found this Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_of_Moldavia
This sums up the events and may help the devs with the "spawn Moldavia" event or what they wish to implement.
Perhaps in 1340s Hungary could get an event war goal on the Golden Horde, should they win Moldavia is founded as a vassal state. South of Wallachia Minor (see the text with Wallachia Minor).
And then Moldavia could get a revolt where if Bogdan wins Moldavia becomes independent.
It says etc so there's more. But from the given list, the political formations:
1. Tari are here:
Vrancea:
Campulung Moldovenesc:
Teghici:
Sipenit:
2. Voievodships are here:
Onut:
Hansca:
Suceava:
Barlad:
And the toponymic study previously mentioned was also found here, which does put things in perspective:
Page 1: "In this study, some historiographical aspects of the demographic situation east of the Carpathians in the 14th century are examined. Special attention is given to Soviet historiography, which, in its attempt to demonstrate the formation of the 'Moldovan people', used methods that cannot by any means be considered scientific. Despite this reality, some contemporary authors use the results of research by Soviet-era historians to "argue" the existence of the 'Moldovan people'."
It seems that according to L.L Polevoi who made the toponymic study that we argued for days here, believes Vlachs =/= Volochs. Vlachs are 'Romanians' while 'Volochs' are 'Moldovans' who are a Romanian-Slavic mix. The reason for this is politics because USSR wanted Romanians & Moldavians to be different people.
Page 10: "S. Suleak also invokes the study of L.L. Polevoi, dedicated to the historical geography of Moldova in the 13th-15th centuries, published in 1979. According to this study, based on oiconymic data*, it was established that the proportion of representatives of the East Slavic ethnic group in the mid-14th century reached 39.5% of the country's population, while the proportion of Eastern Romance speakers was 48.7%. The total credibility granted by S. Suleak to these figures prompted me to undertake a thorough examination of L.L. Polevoi's study to verify the accuracy of the cited numbers."
Page 11: "The author believes that after the Tatar-Mongol invasion in the Codri area, "sparsely populated by Slavs and Volochs," in the first half of the 14th century, from Lower Răut to the Lăpușna River, and further beyond the Prut, numerous settlements were established by Alanic and Slavic colonists, as well as other peoples, forming a heterogeneous population ethnically, which came from the silvosteppe regions of the northern Black Sea. This opinion is also expressed in the synthesis History of the Moldavian SSR [6, p. 45] as a consequence of the policy of the Tatar khans [32, p. 27-30]. Taking into account L.L. Polevoi's general concept, which, in the view of Mircea D. Matei and Emil I. Emandi, "shows a tendency to exaggerate the scale of population movements from Transylvania to Moldova, creating the false impression, which is actually refuted by archaeological research, of a demographic void in the territory east of the Carpathians, prior to colonization" with Volochs [7, p. 96], it is necessary to pose the question regarding the two ethnic groups mentioned above, the Slavs and the Volochs: Are they from the period before the Tatar-Mongol invasions, or did they appear here as a result of migration? — a question left unanswered by the author."
Also page 11: "The phenomenon of peasant migration from Galicia to Transcarpathia and Bukovina, starting in the 14th century, is also indicated by other Soviet historians. For example, T.V. Kosmina, referring to the Ukrainian historian V.V. Grabovetski, emphasized that, starting from the 14th century, peasants from Galicia fled to Podolia, Transcarpathia, Bukovina, and other regions, where they settled according to the right of воля (“freedom”) and founded new settlements. As a result of these significant migrations of Galician peasants, a large number of new villages appeared in the mountainous and pre-mountainous regions of the Carpathians in the 16th century [25, p. 40-41]. Thus, the Russian element in Bukovina appears and becomes predominant as a result of these migrations in the 14th-16th centuries, meaning also after the independence of the state of the Principality of Moldavia."
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Here is speaks how L.L.Polevoi did not just analyze the toponymic data in his study but made personal estimations about the number of villages in Moldaiva, with no basis in reality, that he estimated to be either Moldovan or Russian, favoring the Russian side of course.
That he defined a simple math for the number of villages: 15 hourses per village, and 5 people per house, therefore each village has about 70 people. But when it came to the Russians looking at his mathemetical answers it turns out he estimated about 110 - 130 people for Russian villages. There are other examples of bad math on L.L.Polevoi's part, whether it's done with or without intention.
On page 14: For his percentages, L.L.Polevoi was not consistent in his definition of Moldavia, sometimes he included only Dragos' Moldavia, other time all of Moldavia, other time Dragos' Moldavia + Bukovina, switching the area based on which he made his estimations whenever it was convenient. He also point out that the numbers he got as a result, show that his estimations are far different than the 70 people/village he said at the beginning of the study. On average having 75,9 Russians/village outside of Bukovina and 110-130 Russians/village inside Bukovina. L.L.Polevoi offered no basis why he made such distinctions, other than personal bias. While the average for Moldovans is lower than 70 people/villagers.
In conclusion Ion Eremia says that the examination of the results of L.L. Polevoi's investigation leads us to the conclusion that the statistical data he works with are arbitrary, and thus the results obtained are also arbitrary and do not objectively reflect the situation.
TL;DR is: not only his initial estimations are wrong because L.L. Polevoi essentially made up villages rather than only look at villages actually mentioned by sources. But his math based on those initial estimations L.L. Polevoi made up is also inconsistent.
There is also this Wallachia Minor before Dragos founded Moldavia:
The theory makes sense, given that the maps and chroniclers mention "Wallachia Minor" in a time when Moldavia didn't exist yet.
It said it owned the border of Galicia in the Suceava Area + Tara Sipenitului, so roughtly these 2 modern areas combined:
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I think that Aldaron was very clear a few weeks ago, but apparently, not everybody has gotten the message, so I'm intervening to make a rule: We won't be accepting any more posts about Moldavia on this thread. Both parties have given their opinions, shared sources, etc., and we think it's enough for our work. Continuing with this topic will only pollute the thread, and overshadow other people's contributions on other topics. Please respect this decision, or otherwise, we will need to take further measures.
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But Moldova was 100% Albanian! I must post three quadrillion sources in the forum in 25,000 different posts to prove to all the Serbs and Hungarians and Romanians and Slavs that I am correct! They'll come back with their own three duodecillion sources which say counter to mine, but I am right! You must believe me! Its just so important that Orhei be 40% Albanian instead of 20% percent Albanian and I will write three paragraphs to prove this five separate times! So helpful! Not that anyone else in this niche discussion with no objectively correct answer will believe me! Such a good use of my and the devs time, especially after they asked me and other to stop posting about this three times already!
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I am honored you read my posts so much your freudian slip derailed the entire topic of your reply.
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