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Tinto Maps #6 Great Britain & Ireland Feedback

9 September 2024 12 May 2025​


What an exciting week we have had, and best of all I finally get to say the name Europa Universalis V. It still feels weird in my mouth after carefully saying Caesar for what feels like a lifetime.

But lo, the day is finally come for the British Isles feedback thread. This short update was supposed to come out a few months ago, but I just had to teach some of you a lesson. Also I had a lot of other things on, like appearing in the announcement show last week.


Here we see the updated topography:

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The updated vegetation:
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Many impassable barriers have been added, for example the various peaks of the Pennines and the Wicklow Mountains. The Shannon also now poses a more significant barrier between east and west Ireland, with only a few crossing points often guarded by stockades.


Here we have the Locations map, bear in mind they are only showing the default English names but many places have Gaelic or Brythonic versions.

locations.jpg




Every country has had a general increase in density.

England, in particular the south, has had a big revamp at Location and Province level to more accurately reflect the historical counties, many of them pre-Norman in origin and many of them still in use today in some form. Westminster as a capital has been killed and rolled into a monolithic London.




Provinces:
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Areas:

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And political mapmode (with overlord colouring off):
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And Dynasties:
dynasty.jpg


We have added the Earldom of Orkney in the northern isles as a Norwegian vassal. Meanwhile the Palatinate of Durham and Chester have both been promoted from a special set of buildings to vassals under England. Wales has also been limited strictly to the Principality of Wales, with the marcher lords existing as very low control locations under England.

Ireland has had a major rework in terms of locations and tags. Mostly there have been minor Irish chieftaincies added. As always we are grateful to the many suggestions that have come from the forumers.



Culture:
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The most obvious culture change is that English has had Northumbrian split off, to represent the divide between southern and northern dialects and attitudes. A practical example of this is how in the south the English are more friendly to Normans, whereas the Northumbrians hate them (the northern shires still bear the scars of the Harrying of the North). Northumbrians and Scots also spoke a similar form of English in this period, so it helps to set them up as a sort of middleman.

Norwegians in northern Scotland and the nearby North Atlantic have also been split into Norn.


As a bonus, Court Language, showing 3 main worlds: Gaelic, Anglo-French, and Roman Catholic Bishoprics.

court_language.jpg



There have also been some changes to Raw Goods, as you can see here:

raw.jpg





We still have time to make some changes, so let us know what we can do to push this even further towards where it needs to be.

I won’t show Population numbers right now, as it’s pending a proper rework. Among other things, the idea is to reduce the population numbers in England.
 
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Cinque Ports are a special building that starts in some southeastern port locations and there;s some additional content surrounding them. The City of London also has a special building to represent the ancient liberties of the guilds.
These feel like the kind of thing that would be represented simply through province modifiers in EU4. Are province/location modifiers still a thing in EU5 or are all those sorts of things now being represented by buildings?
 
I'm incredibly saddened that Northumbrian was indeed added in the end.

It's deeply typical of Paradox failing to represent the British Isles in any of their games well, see also how EU4 has Anglicanism start early instead of being a later invention for an already Protestant England/GB to align with the Book of Common Prayer date and have England/GB instead flip religions before this shift given the second cementing of this status was the Oxford movement outside this period.

I can only hope EU5 reconsiders this cultural inclusion and goes back to the previous English cultural borders in this regard and that EU5 represents Anglicanism properly (ideally also making the Henry VIII circumstances content open to all countries instead of dictated as being inevitable for England either) as if we're having these cultural frustrations and continued lack of religious fidelity then it remains frustrating.


That said, everything else looks really cool and I wish Paradox would stick to their guns a bit more on this culture point. Can't wait to play even with this gripe.
 
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>Still no Marcher Lords
Also, are there Irish Travellers?
 
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As a county nerd, I am so excited to see all the English counties represented in this game. As a proud Hertfordshire-an, very pleased to see Herts as a separate province rather than merged with London as in EU4 or with Cambs as in the original version of the EUV map.

So much is right with this map - but two questions. Was the decision to use the 1960s borders of London a gameplay choice or did the devs just take the modern map as an inspiration (as it would have changed from the 14th century)? Secondly, will it be possible to manually rename provinces in game? I notice that Royston is placed in Cambs - while technically correct as it spanned two counties in those days, the population, church and institutions and everything else of note for the town lay on the Herts side.

Keep up the great work - I'm so excited to play!
 
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Was the decision to use the 1960s borders of London a gameplay choice or did the devs just take the modern map as an inspiration (as it would have changed from the 14th century)?
The 1337 borders are too small to be a province in its own right. We could also destroy Middlesex and simply attach the city to some other province but I don't think that's very satisfying either.
 
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Really liking the map as is, but I'd like to just talk about the provinces that make up my own county, Wiltshire.

The choices of towns for Wiltshire are the ones I'd pick (though maybe Devizes should be included, as that's a town built around a castle), but the exact province borders seem a bit iffy to me (image 1 for what I think they are from the image we got). If you look at where these towns actually are (image 2), Amesbury isn't even in the Amesbury province. The other towns are right, though perhaps could have their borders fiddled around a bit. My suggestion for how these borders could be slightly modified to better represent these towns and the surrounding areas are in image 3.
 

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9 September 2024 12 May 2025​


What an exciting week we have had, and best of all I finally get to say the name Europa Universalis V. It still feels weird in my mouth after carefully saying Caesar for what feels like a lifetime.

But lo, the day is finally come for the British Isles feedback thread. This short update was supposed to come out a few months ago, but I just had to teach some of you a lesson. Also I had a lot of other things on, like appearing in the announcement show last week.


Here we see the updated topography:

View attachment 1296747


The updated vegetation:
View attachment 1296748


Many impassable barriers have been added, for example the various peaks of the Pennines and the Wicklow Mountains. The Shannon also now poses a more significant barrier between east and west Ireland, with only a few crossing points often guarded by stockades.


Here we have the Locations map, bear in mind they are only showing the default English names but many places have Gaelic or Brythonic versions.

View attachment 1296749



Every country has had a general increase in density.

England, in particular the south, has had a big revamp at Location and Province level to more accurately reflect the historical counties, many of them pre-Norman in origin and many of them still in use today in some form. Westminster as a capital has been killed and rolled into a monolithic London.




Provinces:
View attachment 1296750



And political mapmode (with overlord colouring off):
View attachment 1296751



We have added the Earldom of Orkney in the northern isles as a Norwegian vassal. Meanwhile the Palatinate of Durham and Chester have both been promoted from a special set of buildings to vassals under England. Wales has also been limited strictly to the Principality of Wales, with the marcher lords existing as very low control locations under England.

Ireland has had a major rework in terms of locations and tags. Mostly there have been minor Irish chieftaincies added. As always we are grateful to the many suggestions that have come from the forumers.



Culture:
View attachment 1296753


The most obvious culture change is that English has had Northumbrian split off, to represent the divide between southern and northern dialects and attitudes. A practical example of this is how in the south the English are more friendly to Normans, whereas the Northumbrians hate them (the northern shires still bear the scars of the Harrying of the North). Northumbrians and Scots also spoke a similar form of English in this period, so it helps to set them up as a sort of middleman.

Norwegians in northern Scotland and the nearby North Atlantic have also been split into Norn.


As a bonus, Court Language, showing 3 main worlds: Gaelic, Anglo-French, and Roman Catholic Bishoprics.

View attachment 1296755


There have also been some changes to Raw Goods, as you can see here:

View attachment 1296756




We still have time to make some changes, so let us know what we can do to push this even further towards where it needs to be.

I won’t show Population numbers right now, as it’s pending a proper rework. Among other things, the idea is to reduce the population numbers in England.
 
Wowowo why is the Isle of Man a part of the Hebrides? I understand it's not important enough to be it's own area, but why not have it be part of Northumbria instead? Seems way more fitting.
 
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