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Tinto Maps #6 Great Britain & Ireland Feedback

9 September 2024 12 May 2025​


What an exciting week we have had, and best of all I finally get to say the name Europa Universalis V. It still feels weird in my mouth after carefully saying Caesar for what feels like a lifetime.

But lo, the day is finally come for the British Isles feedback thread. This short update was supposed to come out a few months ago, but I just had to teach some of you a lesson. Also I had a lot of other things on, like appearing in the announcement show last week.


Here we see the updated topography:

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The updated vegetation:
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Many impassable barriers have been added, for example the various peaks of the Pennines and the Wicklow Mountains. The Shannon also now poses a more significant barrier between east and west Ireland, with only a few crossing points often guarded by stockades.


Here we have the Locations map, bear in mind they are only showing the default English names but many places have Gaelic or Brythonic versions.

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Every country has had a general increase in density.

England, in particular the south, has had a big revamp at Location and Province level to more accurately reflect the historical counties, many of them pre-Norman in origin and many of them still in use today in some form. Westminster as a capital has been killed and rolled into a monolithic London.




Provinces:
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Areas:

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And political mapmode (with overlord colouring off):
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And Dynasties:
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We have added the Earldom of Orkney in the northern isles as a Norwegian vassal. Meanwhile the Palatinate of Durham and Chester have both been promoted from a special set of buildings to vassals under England. Wales has also been limited strictly to the Principality of Wales, with the marcher lords existing as very low control locations under England.

Ireland has had a major rework in terms of locations and tags. Mostly there have been minor Irish chieftaincies added. As always we are grateful to the many suggestions that have come from the forumers.



Culture:
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The most obvious culture change is that English has had Northumbrian split off, to represent the divide between southern and northern dialects and attitudes. A practical example of this is how in the south the English are more friendly to Normans, whereas the Northumbrians hate them (the northern shires still bear the scars of the Harrying of the North). Northumbrians and Scots also spoke a similar form of English in this period, so it helps to set them up as a sort of middleman.

Norwegians in northern Scotland and the nearby North Atlantic have also been split into Norn.


As a bonus, Court Language, showing 3 main worlds: Gaelic, Anglo-French, and Roman Catholic Bishoprics.

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There have also been some changes to Raw Goods, as you can see here:

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We still have time to make some changes, so let us know what we can do to push this even further towards where it needs to be.

I won’t show Population numbers right now, as it’s pending a proper rework. Among other things, the idea is to reduce the population numbers in England.
 
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From what I've read, it was the construction of the old military road that made the area passable from north to south, at least to large armies, but I also don't see any indication that this road couldn't have been built significantly earlier. The main problem was that the terrain was (and still is) bogs. But I can't think of a reason for it to be more difficult to build such roads north south then it is to build them east west.
But it wasn't so until that point it was military inaccessible which is reflected in the map.
 
Shouldn't the Kilkenny province be part of Leinster?

Also I feel like the locations of Cavan, Killycolly, and Killeshandra should realistically be part of Ulster.


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Firmly Connacht at this stage as they were under the control of Uí Briúin Bréifne.
 
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Firmly Connacht at this stage as theg were under the control of Uí Briúin Bréifne.
That's merely political control, and temporary. The provinces and areas in-game are geographic and permanent and should represent Ireland for the next several hundred years. I think it would be silly to set the borders in stone in 1337 and have them no longer make sense once political control changes.
 
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That's merely political control, and temporary. The provinces and areas in-game are geographic and permanent and should represent Ireland for the next several hundred years. I think it would be silly to set the borders in stone in 1337 and have them no longer make sense once political control changes.
It makes as much sense to keep it in Connacht as it does to move it to Ulster. It represents the scenario in 1337 and that scenario would hold for a further 300 years, the majority of the game's timeline.
 
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That's merely political control, and temporary. The provinces and areas in-game are geographic and permanent and should represent Ireland for the next several hundred years. I think it would be silly to set the borders in stone in 1337 and have them no longer make sense once political control changes.
Merely political control, sure - but Breifne had been ruled by the Connachta since the 8th century. The eastern half only became "part of Ulster" when Elizabeth I transferred it there for easier military administration.
 
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On the topic of County Cavan, too - Killeshandra wasn't founded until the 17th century. A better name for the location would be Ballyconnell/Béal Átha Conaill, a key fortress of the Mág Samhradháin vassals of the Ó Ruaircs of West Breifne.
 
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On the topic of County Cavan, too - Killeshandra wasn't founded until the 17th century. A better name for the location would be Ballyconnell/Béal Átha Conaill, a key fortress of the Mág Samhradháin vassals of the Ó Ruaircs of West Breifne.
Oh don't tempt me with a Teallach Eachach tag.
 
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I wish you'd be consistent with -shire as a suffix. Either use it for all counties that ought to, or drop it altogether.
 
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Is it just me, or do Leeds and Doncaster look placed quite far west? And unsure why Grimsby sticks out so far west to compensate.

For the record, I think it would be acceptable to split 'Northumbria' into east and west, with the east retaining Northumbria (I say this as a proud Yorkshireman), and the west potentially being Lancashire. I think the west should include Cheshire.

Imo in an ideal world we would have Yorkshire-Lancashire-Northumbria with the latter including the 2 Northeast provinces, though I appreciate that may be too small. Maybe we're looking for a Berwick-Newcastle-Durham division for the Northeast.

Also I think the Humber should stick out further west if poss.

I'm really torn on the Northumbrian culture, but understand your motivations to include. I think "Northumbrian" is problematic as many south of the Humber (Cheshire, North Lincolnshire, Derbyshire, etc.) would much more readily identify with a contemporary "Northern" definition and culture. Although I don't like it, I think a flat English culture makes more sense for that reason.

Wonderful job all around.