Tinto Flavour #22 - 27th of May 2025

[Tissaia]

From the description of Georgia:

before the old empires of ancient antiquity were formed

(Yes, they're old, but "old of ancient antiquity" is a bit too much.)

 

[matfer13]

While i agree, i also think the current one is good too, because 1.The Yellow one is tied specifically to Dušan, and 2.The red and white is tied to us much longer and the game is spanning 5 centuries.

Bsside the fact the yellow one is like I already said the accurate one for the time, the red one is based on the Nemanjic coa(which is already there for the family) while the yellow one was the last one used by Serbia at its zenith and as an indipendent entity(Despotate aside), I'm pretty sure that if the Empire didn't collapse and manage to survive to modern times the yellow flag would be used to this day

 

[GeneralNoob]

Are there any special relations between Ottomans and Serbians/Georgians? Historically speaking the serbian despot and the Ottoman dynasty were intermarried. They also got along quite well (at least initially during the vassal-overlord period). Georgia is a bit more complex since it didnt involve Georgia itself, but various states and their "buffer status" to Iran/Safawids. Georgia might be a bit more difficult, but I think Serbia could potentially lead to a royal marriage and decent relations with the Ottomans.

 

[GenericUsername1444]

Why does Georgia not have overlordship over Vayots Dzor, Khachen and Syunik? Is that also something which changes via decision? This wasn't the case in the Persia & Caucasus feedback thread.

If not, then this is very inaccurate. We've proven many times that southern-eastern Armenia was already under Georgian control by 1337 (since 1314, mind you).

Also, are north Caucasian polities like Circassia and Alania tributaries of Georgia in an IO?

 

[Nikicaga]

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As mentioned in the big suggestion, Građanstvo is probably better than Meštanstvo, and what we'd usually use, but simply removing the non-existent apostrophes makes it much better, thanks!!

And if the Crown can be localized, we'd call it Kruna (or Dvor, meaning Court)

 

[Commodus]

The new map looks fantastic!

 

[Tissaia]

3D maps shown here are a beauty, but colours of counties' borders are too strong, they look radioactive.

And it seems some colours of borders do not correspond to the colour of the country (?):

 

[Szlhek]

3D maps shown here are a beauty, but colours of counties' borders are too strong, they look radioactive.

And it seems some colours of borders do not correspond to the colour of the country (?):

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I agree with you and think the best option is to use black borders for all countries, like on the paper map. I think it looks a little nicer this way, but that's just my personal preference.

 

[Trepanator]

Bsside the fact the yellow one is like I already said the accurate one for the time, the red one is based on the Nemanjic coa(which is already there for the family) while the yellow one was the last one used by Serbia at its zenith and as an indipendent entity(Despotate aside), I'm pretty sure that if the Empire didn't collapse and manage to survive to modern times the yellow flag would be used to this day

You can rp with the red and white just as well, you like the yellow one ask for it, Jesus. Not a hill i want to die on.

 

[koreanjesus218]

Is there anything for the migrations of the Serbs if the Ottomans conquer the balkans? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migrations_of_the_Serbs, or does it occur naturally due to the devastation caused by the wars?

 

[matfer13]

I wonder what is the rule for which name is used for a country. Korea is Goryeo, so the name natives use. But Georgia or Japan use these names instead of Sakartvelo and Nihon?

It's not an issue of course but it's little confusing. I'd be fine with all the names coming from accepted modern English naming convention, like from Wikipedia names, but we have something more complex here.

I think that Korea is treated somewhat like China, rather than the country you play as the dynasty, but from what I remember there will be an event that changes their name into Joseon(the other Korean dynasty/state in this time period)

 

[WolfClaw]

Wait, I thought Georgian people are living at the foot of the Appalachians

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

I find it weird how the estate icon is included in the text when estates are mentioned, like the nobility in Georgia's event. It feels unnatural and breaks up the flow of the text.

 

[I like wars and maps]

Is there anything for the migrations of the Serbs if the Ottomans conquer the balkans? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migrations_of_the_Serbs, or does it occur naturally due to the devastation caused by the wars?

It seems that the devs already present this migration as having happened before 1337 if we look at the Balkan feedbacks

 

[Katana500]

Will there be a disaster for Georgia to break apart like historically?

 

[PonuryWojtek]

My only complaint here is that the current Serbian flag is wrong and this one down here is the accurate one
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I mean the eagle is fine as it is in game, but the colours should be changed

Yeah, I agree on that change. Managed to found them source too. It's from 1339 portolan chart by Dulcert. That's how it looks ther with some rough borders I added.

That's how it was rendered based on this here. So just like OP mentioned, just changing colours to red eagle on yellow banner should do the trick.
If you want some falg variety maybe you can make the chage in flag only from Kingdom of Serbia (current) to Serbian Empire (red eagle on yellow) or even add the Serbian cross to the mix - tho that might be better fit for EUIV period. But if Serbia will have one flag I think it should at least start withe what OP suggested and what is found on the Dulcert's portolan chart.

 

[Nikicaga]

Oh, the first is already in the game, I'll just add it to the main post:
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Can we see a few more of the Serbian advances or privileges? I can think of quite a few, like the Zakonopravilo (which was quite important and forms the basis of religious law in many other Orthodox countries) and Dušan's Code in laws:

Zakonopravilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dušan's Code - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If the Bagrationi get an advance, the House of Nemanjić could as well, given that they were the founders of the modern idea of Serbia, and almost every member of the dynasty was sanctified.

Other advances could be more cultural, such as the Slava, Pirot Ćilim, Zlakusa Pottery, Vuk's Linguistic Reforms, and of course Rakija!

Slava (tradition) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pirot carpet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Zlakusa pottery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Vuk Karadžić - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rakia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(Will add these and more to the main suggestion post!)

 

[SaintDaveUK]

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Will the images of the artworks be more generic, or will they have unique illustrations for each one as it was with the great projects/monuments in EU4?

They will start mostly generic for now, but the intention is to make more unique ones over the game's lifetime.

 

[Trepanator]

I find it weird how the estate icon is included in the text when estates are mentioned, like the nobility in Georgia's event. It feels unnatural and breaks up the flow of the text.

I think it's because the most of the estate names are translated, i mean to anyone not serbian reading "the Vlastela want this and that" will go what the fuck is "Vlastela"

 

[Trepanator]

Can we see a few more of the Serbian advances or privileges? I can think of quite a few, like the Zakonopravilo (which was quite important and forms the basis of religious law in many other Orthodox countries) and Dušan's Code in laws:

Zakonopravilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dušan's Code - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If the Bagrationi get an advance, the House of Nemanjić could as well, given that they were the founders of the modern idea of Serbia, and almost every member of the dynasty was sanctified.

Other advances could be more cultural, such as the Slava, Pirot Ćilim, Zlakusa Pottery, Vuk's Linguistic Reforms, and of course Rakija!

Slava (tradition) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pirot carpet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Zlakusa pottery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Vuk Karadžić - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rakia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(Will add these and more to the main suggestion post!)

Like, most of those advances are after the game end date... Why would they put it in?