Tinto Flavour #22 - 27th of May 2025

[Trepanator]

The way the advance is written does imply that Hungarian Hajdú have a different implementation, but doesn't really how, and it also makes it very likely that the Balkan Hajduks do not have a regiment

i meant the advancement. My bad.

 

[kagami1999]

I really don't like that Serbia's disintegration is basically optional, especially considering that the catalyst for it (Uroš the weak's ascent to the throne) is already in motion by the game's start date (he was born in 1336, and thus should be Serbia's heir). As others have mentioned, it's not like Serbia was broken apart by ethnic separatists, it was Serb nobles formerly in Dušan's service who carved their private domains from the Empire. There are so many better ways to represent this than an increased separatism modifier, the noble clans could be extraterritorial/building-based countries which gain land upon Dušan's death like the Japanese daimyos, and post-Dušan Serbia could be represented as an international organization of smaller states. The Ottoman conquest of the Balkans hinged on this feudal fragmentation, if your plan is to brute-force it by just giving the Turks crazy good modifiers then that would be disappointingly shallow and ahistorical.

 

[kagami1999]

Probably because that's not the Serbian Empire. That's the Serbian Kingdom. It's kinda obvious from the picture that the empire never formed. So no empire no overextension no great fall. Unless you think the Serbian Kingdom should also disintegrate once Dusan dies. Now why didnt it form in the first place is the better question. Could be an older build so they haven't tweaked it completely. Could be the AI deciding not to expend or failling to do it in time. The claims only last 4 years. We don't know.

That's why there needs to be some degree of railroading in the early part of the game. Byzantine civil war > Serbian conquest > Serbian & Bulgarian disintegration > Ottoman conquest - this is the rapid succession of events which allowed the Turks to sweep through the Balkans in only 50 years, the events themselves should not be optional, but their outcomes could be subject to player influence.

 

[kagami1999]

Alright but why are you trying to railroad Dusan's death in 1355? The man died relatively young. With most sources suspecting he was poisoned. Should that be hardcoded? Now stop me if I'm wrong but I thought the whole point of EU was to rewrite history. Having Dusan die in 1355 followed by an immediate Ming style explosion of Serbia doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the game. Having the Serbian Empire fall be railroaded just because you're fixated on it being historic makes for a boring game. Would rather have games where it survives and thrives so when I'm playing Ottomans I have an interesting opponent in the Balkans.

Why have any black swan event in the game? Why have the Protestant reformation, who says that Martin Luther must nail his thesis to a door? I say this event which ripped Europe in two should be easily sidestepped so that the Ottomans can have a more interesting opponent once they push past the Balkans.

 

[kagami1999]

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Notice the border between Bulgaria and Hungary

Varna and Burgas are the two most important ports in Bulgaria for most of the period, and are both naturally predisposed as such, they should receive substantial buffs. Similarly, Constanta has traditionally been the main port of Dobruja and Romania

That isn't true, Burgas didn't become a major port until the latter half of Ottoman rule. The most important 14th-century ports in the country other than Varna were Karvuna (in the vicinity of modern Balchik), Nessebar/Mesembria, and Debelt/Develtos (located on a former estuary, now a reservoir, south of Burgas, it lost its importance when it silted up at the beginning of Ottoman rule).

 

[ArVass]

Notice the border between Bulgaria and Hungary

 

[Ispil]

There's something deeply amusing about looking through this thread when you have 90% of the usual Balkans posters set to "ignore".

You get all the reaction images and none of the "scouring the sources until I find one that agrees with me" motivated reasoning competition.

 

[Ivanho19]

Does every country in the Balkans have its own form of hussars?

 

[ArVass]

There's something deeply amusing about looking through this thread when you have 90% of the usual Balkans posters set to "ignore".

You get all the reaction images and none of the "scouring the sources until I find one that agrees with me" motivated reasoning competition.

Am I set to ignore too? I wonder

 

[Ispil]

Am I set to ignore too? I wonder

Nah, you're fine.

 

[FarsenFSD]

Does Georgia have any Alanic/Ossetian population?

 

[pera128]

No, because the word "Hussar" is etymologically Hungarian. If the Serbs had a word for it before, it wouldn't be that.

Serb word is Gusar. Hussar was borrowed from Serbian language

 

[JaddesBarro]

Georgia lets goooo im hyped

 

[JaddesBarro]

Wait, I thought Georgian people are living at the foot of the Appalachians

they didnt migrated yet

 

[JaddesBarro]

i think population in georgia is TOO low in the game

 

[JaddesBarro]

Giorgi Saakadze MY GOAT

 

[JaddesBarro]

first of all, who made Joey Diaz King of Georgia

Naah Joey Diaz is craazy work, but i agree, he dont look like Giorgi V from his portraits and frescos.

Also, why is MY GOAT Saakadze is some random Irish dude?

why is he ginger?



As you guys can see from his portrait and his photo taken in 1609, MY GOAT was black-haired (well, prolly was, because both are in black and white).


Jokes aside thanks for adding MY GOAT in the game anyways.

Also, terrain on the east side of the map looks strange for me because of how and flat it is.

In real life, as you can see, the distance between the Big Caucasus mountain range and the Small Caucasus in the south is smaller, and in the middle of it there are hills, little mountains, and rugged terrain in general. So, if you add some of these and fill this space a little, I would really appreciate it. But in general, everything on the map looks gorgeous.

 

[Kotyk-durkotyk]

Mother of Gods!
This evening, while enjoying a glass of excellent Georgian Saperavi wine, I suddenly realised that no one has highlighted that Georgia is regarded as the birthplace of winemaking or, at the very least, the home of the world's oldest documented wine production method kvevri, which dates back to around 6000 B.C.

Spoiler: Kvevri

It absolutely deserves to be reflected in-game!
Georgia should have a unique advance, The Fatherland of Wine or Kvevri, which would boost wine production output.
Alternatively, a unique winery building or production method tied to kvevri fermentation could be added.

Similarly, Armenian countries, with their rich traditions of brandy, could benefit from liquor-related advances or production buildings.

Cheers!

 

[GenericUsername1444]

Mother of Gods!
This evening, while enjoying a glass of excellent Georgian Saperavi wine, I suddenly realised that no one has highlighted that Georgia is regarded as the birthplace of winemaking or, at the very least, the home of the world's oldest documented wine production method kvevri, which dates back to around 6000 B.C.

Spoiler: Kvevri

View attachment 1333881

It absolutely deserves to be reflected in-game!
Georgia should have a unique advance, The Fatherland of Wine or Kvevri, which would boost wine production output.
Alternatively, a unique winery building or production method tied to kvevri fermentation could be added.

Similarly, Armenian countries, with their rich traditions of brandy, could benefit from liquor-related advances or production buildings.

Cheers!

Fantastic idea!

I have actually already asked the devs to give Kakheti and Kartli in Georgia more wine RGOs, but in retrospect, that would probably not be the best decision in terms of game balance.

But as for the advances you suggested, I am all for them. It does fit in the game as an economic sim on top of a GSG.

 

[JaddesBarro]

Mother of Gods!
This evening, while enjoying a glass of excellent Georgian Saperavi wine, I suddenly realised that no one has highlighted that Georgia is regarded as the birthplace of winemaking or, at the very least, the home of the world's oldest documented wine production method kvevri, which dates back to around 6000 B.C.

Spoiler: Kvevri

View attachment 1333881 View attachment 1333889

It absolutely deserves to be reflected in-game!
Georgia should have a unique advance, The Fatherland of Wine or Kvevri, which would boost wine production output.
Alternatively, a unique winery building or production method tied to kvevri fermentation could be added.

Similarly, Armenian countries, with their rich traditions of brandy, could benefit from liquor-related advances or production buildings.

Cheers!

First of all, gaumarjos(cheers).

I also thought that Eastern Georgia has too few wine (or grape) goods; if I remember correctly, there's only one. It would be lovely if developers added more wine-producing provinces, especially in the Alazani Valley region, which is the most prolific wine-producing area in Georgia. Additionally, if the developers were to add unique wine advances for Georgia or wine-related missions, it would be just beautiful. Also, they just could add a province modifier that boosts the wine goods production modifier in the Alazani region, similar to the Nile that boosts grain in EU4.