Meanwhile, the urban ruling elite (bureaucrats, armies) did speak Latin or Greek ...
To the point that in Egypt's native language, Coptic, used the word hellene as "those people who don't worship (the Christian) God".
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To the point that in Egypt's native language, Coptic, used the word hellene as "those people who don't worship (the Christian) God".
That’s essentially the point. In most empires, vast majority of people did not speak whatever language the people in the capital speaks at court. They work because the actual elite in the local level speaks it. Same deal with the Chinese Empire. Until modern era, most people in the provinces(say in Guangdong) do not understand a word of what the emperor says but the local elite does. That’s the vital part.
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So Bohemia must not be a part of HRE, Britainy and Basque should also be separated from its country
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I don't really understand what are you talking about? All about very narrow nationalism opinoin, even no value to comment. Nationalism already corrupted your mind such that you can't understand the pre-modern identity recognition.
It is meaningless for you to use the political correctness of the Russo-Ukrainian War to distort what I said about historical identity. Facts are facts. The north and south of Vietnam are different. South Vietnam was once the Champa Kingdom. The western mountainous area and the eastern delta of North Vietnam are also completely different. The western mountainous dwellers are closer to the Laotians and Hmongs. The Italian, French and Spain states are also not exactly the same either, and they have also had civil wars for thousands of years. So is identity a kind of nihilism? Every border should be "the same language that Russia has been using for years to justify their attacks on Ukraine"?
Do you think it would be correct for France or Spain to invade Andorra or Monaco today? I guess not. Then do you think Andorra and Monaco should belong to a independent empire in the game? Actually I have never talked about invasion — it’s you who keeps emphasizing nationalism and fascist ideas.
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Wow you invented some else stereotypes to support your own faux history? "Barbarians" doesn't refer to well-educated and civilized minorities, not even for Koreans. You must believe Korea is “An integral part of China”? lol. However, Han Chinese who are beyond governmental control can sometimes also be considered barbarians.
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What are you talking about? I spell this Chinese character "蛮" in pinyin, (pinyin is a system to show its pronounciation), what does it mean "male person in English"? Have you finished compulsory education? Yue never covers Hmong, they can be 三苗(triple hmongs) 蛮(pronounciation: man) but not Yue
No one is talking about invade, but indentity, that's why I said fascism is what you are thinking about. You know merely nationalism and fascism and supposed that everyone think as you. Facts are facts. The north and south of Vietnam are different. South Vietnam was once the Champa Kingdom. The western mountainous area and the eastern delta of North Vietnam are also completely different. The western mountainous dwellers are closer to the Laotians and Hmongs. The Italian, French and Spain states and provinces are also not exactly the same either, and they have also had civil wars for thousands of years. So is identity a kind of nihilism? Every border should be "the exact language and excuse Hitler used to invade half of Europe"?
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It's actually same in everywhere in Medieval, they are just deliberately pretend to be not understanding. Bohemian is absolutely not Germans, but it can be a part of HRE and enjoys a very unique position. Cantonese is just a dialect, mutual understanding is easy with just a little effort. Minorities are everywhere.
Their brain is empty but fascism. Any historical connection is enough to awaken their dormant fascist soul lol.
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Yes I have a formal education I completed. Just not in Chinese, I've mentioned this a few times before in this thread but I'm English, born and raised. You said, as I understand it "蛮" is pronounced "man". "Man" is an English word as well. It refers to an adult male person. This is what I'm getting at, I don't know what you had assumed but I'm going off pure English because I'm monolingual. And in English We don't have that distinction "Yue" is a contraction of "Baiyue" which is generally translated as "the hundred Yue" which is taken to mean the non Chinese ethnolinguistc groups of southern china. Id imagine Chinese probably distinguishes them because it developed there. But English lacks that.
I'm not talking about ivading, I'm saying the way you word things in English has a very negative history attached to it thats generally seen as a way to justify invasions. the example you said iirc was the English and Australians. Im going to make an assumption about what you meant. But the way its said in English is that both share a cultural heratige. Same with French, Spanish and Italian they also share a cultural heretige. Saying they are "Siblings" evokes the rhetoric used by Hitler and the Nazis.
Never said they were not. I just say the North isnt strictly Chinese. My personal ideal in game setup for 867 is that north Vietnam isnt a de jure part of China yet,Because that gives the player a choice, do you focus on bringing northern Vietnam into the chinese hemogeny by de jure drift, or do you want to focus on something else while letting history play out and the Vietnamese gain their independance. Because CK3 isnt a history simulator, its a sandbox game and the more choices you have the better.
No, identity is a messy thing. Ultimatly identity is us up to the person to decide. I know plenty of people who are not in any way enthically British who will happily call themselves such and wave the union flag with pride.
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I wouldn't start throwing stones like that when your English is is semi incoherent...
Then the Roma Empire should not have de jure land beyond the Apennine Peninsula
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So let's re-examine the hegemonic territories of Rome, India, and Arabia
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You wont believe it, but roman empire has no de-jure at all at any start date! (Byzantium is a different title according to the game, so i wont count it)
And i think it's fair that when you control the whole of the former roman empire when you restore it then it all becomes de-jure roman. You dont need to restore china though, it's already there.
In fact, the Tang Dynasty had stronger control over Vietnam than Byzantine had over Bulgaria
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So what do people think of the territory after the restoration of Roman hegemony in their minds
And some mods with earlier timelines show the de jure land of the Roman Empire
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If official has 283 years bookmark, I don't think they will remove the Britain from the Roman Empire's de jure land
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I completely disagree with the two opinions in favorable to China on Gojoseon, but what matters is not the legitimacy debate on Gojoseon.
My opinion is that Gojoseon was the history of Koreans, and another opinion is that Gojoseon was the history of Jurchen. The last opinion is that Gojoseon was the history of the Chinese, but this makes us fall into a contradiction that the Yan dynasty set up a commandery not an administrative facility on the their mainland, which existed right next to the capital, and that the Han dynasty did not unify China until around the first century B.C
In conclusion, these three opinions imply that the Chinese did not recognize the Liaodong Peninsula as mainland China and support my argument that if hegemony means territory to maintain a unified China, the Liaodong Peninsula should not be included in the hegemony.
Lastly, you said that they are the ancestors of the Korean people, so they should be called Buyeo, the Korean name. Likewise, you should call them Goguryeo, not Gaogouli. Also, Gojoseon and Goguryeo are not the same country. They are not the ancestors of the Japanese. The Japanese ancestors were Jomon.
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Roman empire, not Roma empire. It should have land beyond the Appenines as alot more than just the Appenines were considered to be Rome, just as removing North Vietnam from the Chinese hegemony doesnt limit it to the yellow river basin
The caliphate currently isnt a hegemony, just an empire, egypt to iran would be good enough for me
For what timeframe?
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