PDX already has their version of Sim City, they're working on the Sims. Next up in the Maxis hall of fame is Spore.
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This sort of thing is so silly, it's like some American Neurosis that has infected the world and suddenly everyone has to be part of some vast disconnected anti- and pro- camp.
You can't just dislike a 3D portrait anymore, it has to be swept into some grand culture war about Victoria 3 or other such nonsense.
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You can actually check who replied to the thread, btw. It's 146 different posters. Whatever opinion you got, it's clearly of some interest to a range of people.
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please do spore! there i even want 3d! can even be kind of ugly! spore like wright promised! not like he delivered!
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Not only on the forum too, it's been the topic of conversation across many websites.
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Cool. I didn't realise that. My 59% number was a joke. But looking at it, I'm a bit shocked its not too far of the truth. Probably about 40% of posts from the same 10 complainers. Pretty good example of how minor issues get distorted on the internet by a few very loud, negative voices.
Same ten people though.
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Similarly, we should have sliders for making non-portrait parts of the interface 3d. I don't know what a 3d message setting would even be, but you can bet I want one!
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Seriously, where is this anti 3d lobby coming from? Like I'm all for options a la nato counters, but some of these threads seem to imply all 3d is bad, and that 2d is perfect. Like does no one remember the jank images in ck2?
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Thanks my dude, I appreciate that over seeing 4 different threads on the exact same topic.
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Same here. I get it that people can complain about literally anything and can be angry at ugly kids in Vic3, but this is getting ridiculous. Especially when those new 3D portraits don't even look bad. They are objectively pretty good.
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The hidden cabal that secretly makes all the posts on social media.
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I think it's just the forums having more old timers who like the old stuff. I've never really seen anyone get mad about 3d portraits outside of here because they're 3d (though plenty of people don't like Vic 3's since they couldn't even be bothered to add a westernisation mechanic for Japan and China's portraits)
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i saw a lot negative comments under different youtuber videos and community posts. and i do not tell that to "boost" any sides. but it is not only the forums. of course there also is negativity at reddit but.. well.. what isnt?
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People are more likely to expression dissatisfaction than they are satisfaction. Yet even then, 500 people upvoted or used an equivalent reaction to express their approval of the latest Tinto Talk, which setting aside the other features mentioned, indicates that they don't care enough to disapprove of the game just because of the 3D models, contrary to what this thread, and others like it, suggest. It should also come as no surprise that a thread about disliking a feature attracts likeminded individuals who upvote it. It only takes a bit of rational thought to realize these realities, which renders your last point quite pointless, but judging by your assessment of Victoria 3, it is evident that you're acting in bad faith. But to entertain them, Victoria 3 is a niche title to begin with, so it is unlikely to draw half as much interest as Europa Universalis 5 (the flagship of Paradox), oh I mean Project Caesar, and it's still performing well in players in spite of that (relative to its audience). So taking into account the small proportion of fans that actually express their feelings with reactions and comments for all forms of media, and the number that nevertheless reacted to the Tinto Talk, and well at that, it can be assumed that a significant number of fans were indifferent enough either way but will continue to follow the game's development, and eventually buy it upon release.CK3 team had a whole dev announcement about how "we hear your dissatisfaction, things will be fixed, everything is fine, please stop negative reviews". And on top of 3d - there are whole sections dedicated to ugly and misshapen NON MODDED CK3 chars. Not ugly by design or for fun but ugly by system.
We are discussing 3d aspect and in case of 3d models and UI Victroia 3 is the lowest common denominator. Like, you literally cannot fail lower than Victroia 3. And in case of 3d - HUGE chunk of initial post-release bad reviews were caused by horrible and incompetent UI and 3d models that add nothing to the game and at the same time take up to 60% of space. It is not the main issue but in case of 3d - it surely plays its part.
Half of Paradox games' "vitality" comes from mods and by adding 3d you are killing that vitality, skyrocketing the requirements for major overhauls and players that will try to install new mods for fresh experience. Compare modding scene of 3d infested titles with non-ugly PDX games - HoIIV, Stellaris, EUIV. It is uncomparable, tiny, negligable.
Ok, then announce that players can turn all 3d chancters off in game menu. No uproar, no such threads would happen.
Yeah reactions is a funny thing. Go figure at Victoria 3 forums, every DD have almost no dislikes...and also no players as well.
But if we came down to counting likes and dislikes how about this:
I may miss something but would that count as a "valued feedback"?
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I don't know about that, just based on what I've seen in those threads, it seems that the loudest anti-3D posters (including those creating the posts) are newer forum members. I suppose one's age does not directly correlate to one's time on the forum though.
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Bad analysis as can be seen by the examples of Victoria 3 and Imperator Rome. Most people merely read and approve and fall for the hype, not everyone is über-opinionated about everything, and the forums are generally the most "pro-Paradox" PDX community online. Reddit and other forums are slightly more negative towards 3D from what I can see.
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Yeah you gotta mod that and this post is pointless. I honestly kinda feel bad for the artists, especially since they did pretty well.
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Threads Merged...again
This is essentially the macnamara fallacy: using engagement numbers of argue that the game's good. The game's popular becuase it finally broke into the normies market, and also because the market itself grew dramatically over the years, especially since the pandemic began.
By this logic some utter slop like call of duty or those god awfull assassins creed games are doing amazing because the player numbers are growing even if they would have still been growing if ubisoft instead was selling liquid shit. I mean according to the recent leaked subscription numbers for wow the number of players barely dipped over the course of Shadowlands, which, despite being an addon, was arguably the worst video game in the history of the human species. I mean, how amazing is that?!
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