Who cares about one in 1k when you get a bug in your own game caused by something the last major patch and minor patch were focused on? Because thats what happened in my example. The ck2 example isnt even in game but an example of what could be
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I like 3d portraits in CK3 and Imperator, I just don't like them in Victoria 3. They seem less polished there.
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Honestly, please just post it here. Its just going to get merged anyway because everyone is sick of 3D portrait thread popping up. The last "suggested improvements to portraits" thread only just got merged.
At least if you post it here directly, you can try to turn this thread way from people just crying about change they don't like, into a useful discussion.
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'Ate the changes
'Ate the bugs
'Ate Cromwell top hats on Billy the Conqueror
Luv the old ones
Simple as
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I'm not going to post it in this thread, this thread is about 2D Vs 3D art, it started with a post asking for 3D art not to be used, the discussion is not ever going to be about how to improve 3D art in a vacuum.
I want a proper discussion about moving forward with 3D art and how to make it look good.
If it's not possible to have that discussion on this forum due to mergings and deletions I will have that discussion on the subreddit and twitter instead.
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I don't get your opposition to this.Characters have no opinion or loyalty modifiers in PC,you don't even interact with the characters themselves rather you lobby with a state to marry off your kids.This adds a lot to PUs where you don't just click a royal marriage button and hope for the best rather you look at your dynastic tree and take a family member that either a)makes the other state fall into a union with you or b)gives you a claim on some of their lands later on.
Overall i love their approach to it and it's exactly what i wanted.
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Au contraire. This is the best place to have that discussion.
In an ideal world, all discussion about a topic stays in one thread. It's more considerate and respectful of other people's time.
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No, it's not. People are going to talk about 2D portraits and comparisons with 3D portraits. People are going to talk about the relative popularity of 3D portraits Vs 2D portraits.
You cannot have a constructive conversation about improving 3D portraits in a thread that was explicitly made arguing for their removal, because enviably the conversation will swing around to 'should 3D portraits be in the game or not'.
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Stop cherry picking a bug to prove your point, it's so childish specially when you keep uploading it multiple times.
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I’m just glad to hear this acknowledged. As long as you can easily mod out 3D portraits, then the difficulty with modding them is a moot point. But if it’s difficult, then a lot of modders- myself included- just have to scrap their plans for any mod that requires artwork (fantasy mods especially), because to be blunt, we just don’t have the time or skills to make good 3D artwork. And I say that as someone lucky enough to have a friend that actually does 3D modelling, who has already volunteered to help with modelling for mods before.
But he can’t replicate the quality of the base models in CK3, V3, or now, EUV. Putting in our own models will just ruin immersion if they look vastly different, and is an unthinkable amount of work for someone not being paid if we’re instead going to replace every model in the entire game just to have a consistent artstyle for immersion. Giant dev teams like Anbennar or the LotR team might have someone they can find to do it for them, but those guys have more devs working for them than actual published games often do.
All that being said, I think it’s valid to say that, if we’re not talking about modding, then the new models do make the game more immersive. And it’s okay for the EUV devs to make game design choices that make the game worse to mod, if they think it makes the base game better. Modding should probably be a secondary concern, because to be blunt, mods that require artwork affect a very small chunk of the playerbase. Those mods are cool, but most people don’t actually play them, and the ones they do play usually have big dev teams.
But it would be very appreciated if things that make the game harder to mod are easier to remove.
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Maybe closer to launch, the devs can show us loads of the 3D models’ final form and if that still receives considerable backlash or doesn’t win people over then parachute in an option to remove them for the few?
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The answer eu4 was specifically about artwork and not modular leaders from my understanding
What is "a topic" though? Map feedback is certainly a topic, and yet Paradox are asking people to not give feedback on things even in the screenshots they are presenting in their weekly map posts. They do that for good reasons.
Sometimes more narrow topics are the ideal solution.
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My CK3 models are fine, I really like them, they look perfectly fine. 3D gives more flexibility, greater variation (even in my beloved Imperator plenty of characters look way too similar to each other), better shows ageing and so on. My current character in duke's clothing looks incredible, a nice touch and change from the same character wearing count's clothing. There's only one thing I dislike so far - sometimes the movement of characters during events is exaggerated, reminding me of some scenes from Bollywood. But besides that - it's a huge upgrade from CKII.
Since EUV is the latest game I bet the quality of characters will be better than CK3 ones and much better than Vic3 ones. Seriously - these two guys posted in latest TT look great. I have absolutely no idea how can anyone say they look bad. It's true they could've been handpicked and average characters can be of lesser quality, but there's no way right now for us to prove whether it's true or not. Maybe it'd better to complain about 3D characters when we see more or them, preferably both on screenshots and gameplay videos.
What makes you think you're entitled to make a new thread about it when we all were asked to comply and talk about it in this thread only? Just asking, I never understand people who think they are more special than everyone else.
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I don't think I am more special than anyone else. I just don't think the thread about removing 3D portraits is the best place to talk about improving 3D portraits.
Megathreading all discussion about a broad topic shuts down constructive discussion.
I want to give constructive feedback and have constructive discussion about that feedback, and this forum isn't the place for that if the mention of portraits gets you dumped into the megathread.
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The thought police hijacked our negative thoughts and made them positive!
Haha, true.
I do think there is a place to discuss 2D Vs 3D, the relative popularity of both of those things ect.
I just don't think it's the same place to discuss ways of improving 3D, it's two different conversations.
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But it isn't anymore. Two weeks from now most people won't know how it was called or they won't care.
If people made 6 threads about literally the same thing in past few days and mods merged them all and we were all explicitly asked to refrain from creating any new topics about 3D portraits and to focus on this one, then the only explanation I have right now is that you think you are above everyone else because you should be allowed to make a new one.
But hey, I have no power to stop you and you're free to do whatever you want. Maybe mods will be benevolent and let your topic stay, but if I were a mod here - it wouldn't last a day.
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